Power Transfer heal proc in Lightning Field

[carroto]

Seems like this should work but I wonder if anyone has any experience with it.  I know procs don't have good chances to fire in damage auras but even if it fires off every now and then when surrounded by enemies that seems like it could be worthwhile.

[tidge]

The Power Transfer %Heal piece should work just fine in a toggle. I don't think this one relies on having any enemies to hit; that is... I feel like it should do its thing "on cast".

 

This piece did/does have a few things odd about it. It may be possible to test by standing in some lava/fire and monitor Healing Received.

 

I often make the "mistake" of slotting this piece into a long recharge power (as a mule) forgetting that it isn't a global. If it was going to require its own slot (in a power that wouldn't otherwise be active or part of a set bonus) I'll put the slot in Stamina.

 

[Psyonico]

I've got it slotted in power sink on my ELA brute. It works, not great, but it works. Not sure how it would work in lightning field

[carroto]

3 hours ago, tidge said:

I'll put the slot in Stamina.

 

Well it's not unique, so it's possible to use more than one.  I almost always have one in Stamina, but it's possible to slot them in other things like say Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection from the Body Mastery pool (not for Tanks though, they only get Physical Perfection).  Then sets like Rad armor and Bio have another power in them that can take one, so it's possible to have at least four in some builds.  You can get a lot of heal proccage going on.

 

So naturally I was looking for a place to put one in Elec armor and Lightning Field seems like the only auto/toggle the set has as a candidate.

Edited October 2, 2023 by carroto

[tidge]

10 minutes ago, carroto said:

 

Well it's not unique, so it's possible to use more than one.  I almost always have one in Stamina, but it's possible to slot them in other things like say Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection from the Body Mastery pool (not for Tanks though, they only get Physical Perfection).  Then sets like Rad armor and Bio have another power in them that can take one, so it's possible to have at least four in some builds.  You can get a lot of heal proccage going on.

 

So naturally I was looking for a place to put one in Elec armor and Lightning Field seems like the only auto/toggle the set has as a candidate.

 

No disagreement from me... although more than two instances of it seems like overkill, at least to me. The large HP AT might be better suited looking at what is going on with their Regeneration numbers, even if it is just from slotting Health.

[Yomo Kimyata]

I *believe* that Power Transfer proc only works once per activation, i.e., you're not going to see it proc on ten opponents and get 50% of your health back.  I would love to be corrected if I'm wrong.

 

My experience with it is that 5% is a really small amount to actively notice.  This is more of a commentary on what and how we observe things, but since it is relatively small compared to, say, the 15% of the Sleep proc or even an active heal that gets you 50%+, it's more of a background/regeneration type of effect.

[Psyonico]

1 hour ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

I *believe* that Power Transfer proc only works once per activation, i.e., you're not going to see it proc on ten opponents and get 50% of your health back.  I would love to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Alas, you are correct about this.  I was highly disappointed when I first slotted it into power sink.

[carroto]

3 hours ago, tidge said:

The large HP AT might be better suited looking at what is going on with their Regeneration numbers, even if it is just from slotting Health.

 

Well it's a % of the AT's base HPs, so it scales up for higher HP ATs.  So it will be sort of equivalent to regen except it doesn't increase with HP boosts. Also it's not an either/or proposition.  Once I've slotted the regen uniques and gotten any other low-hanging fruit in that area, I suspect that this proc is the best bang for my buck, and the more of them I can slot the more benefit I'll get.  I could be wrong.

 

My subjective experience from using this proc is that it's equivalent to a decent amount of regen over time.  Maybe that's a perception error on my part because 5% is a larger chunk of health to get back in one burst than the usual regen tick.  Plus it's accompanied by a big green floaty number.  It does seem like in combat my green bar will refill noticeably faster when using these procs than without.  I'm a fan but maybe it's mostly placebo.

 

I'd love to calculate the regen equivalent of one of these procs but I'm not sure I know the details of how the chances are calculated in auto powers or toggles well enough to be able to do it accurately.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a place to go like the wiki with details like that.

Edited October 2, 2023 by carroto

[tidge]

17 minutes ago, carroto said:

I'd love to calculate the regen equivalent of one of these procs but I'm not sure I know the details of how the chances are calculated in auto powers or toggles well enough to be able to do it accurately.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a place to go like the wiki with details like that.

 

There was a spreadsheet showing the relative differences in expected performance for the Panacea %+HP and the Power Transfer %+HP (after the "fix"); it isn't that hard to figure out how much HP will be healed via Regeneration (and at what 'tick' rate). My search-fu isn't turning it up maybe @Bopper recalls the keywords/author?

[Bopper]

1 hour ago, tidge said:

 

There was a spreadsheet showing the relative differences in expected performance for the Panacea %+HP and the Power Transfer %+HP (after the "fix"); it isn't that hard to figure out how much HP will be healed via Regeneration (and at what 'tick' rate). My search-fu isn't turning it up maybe @Bopper recalls the keywords/author?

Not sure of the keywords, but the author I know.

 

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/19022-hpregen-proc-cheat-sheet/

 

Edit: also in my signature block there is a link to Bopper Tools. It contains a spreadsheet that does the calculations of the regen/hp equivalence shown in that link.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Bopper

[BrandX]

48 minutes ago, Bopper said:

Not sure of the keywords, but the author I know.

 

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/19022-hpregen-proc-cheat-sheet/

 

Edit: also in my signature block there is a link to Bopper Tools. It contains a spreadsheet that does the calculations of the regen/hp equivalence shown in that link.

 

Is that with the Proc changes to Power Transfer?

[Frosticus]

I have 3 power transfers and 1 pancea all in auto powers on my em/ea/body stalker.

Reviewing video, most often 2 fire, but 3 is common and 4 is not rare.

On that build it covers most of the chip damage that gets through leaving the heal power for when a bigger hit lands.

[Bopper]

1 hour ago, BrandX said:

 

Is that with the Proc changes to Power Transfer?

It is only calculating for one proc. As for having multiple procs, just multiply. 3 procs = 3x the effective regeneration.

 

I hadn't updated the upfront info, so it likely is still referring to an old mechanization/bug.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Bopper

[carroto]

5 hours ago, tidge said:

a spreadsheet showing the relative differences in expected performance for the Panacea %+HP and the Power Transfer %+HP

 

That's helpful for auto powers but not so much for toggles.  Maybe it's safe to expect it to work the same there.  If so then I'd be better off dropping the Regenerative Tissue unique from Health and moving that slot to Lightning Field for a proc there.  More effective HP over time.  Not only that but it won't be hit by -regen debuffs, which are not all that uncommon.

[carroto]

Okay so I tried it out on the test server and when surrounded by enemies it seemed to proc pretty reliably every 10 seconds.  I believe that puts it at twice the rate it gets in Stamina, so a clear winner there.  Definitely losing a slot somewhere else to make room for this one.

[BrandX]

2 hours ago, Bopper said:

It is only calculating for one proc. As for having multiple procs, just multiply. 3 procs = 3x the effective regeneration.

 

I hadn't updated the upfront info, so it likely is still referring to an old mechanization/bug.

 

I just wondered as it mentioned less chance to proc when in passive abilities, but I could swear they fixed that.

[Erratic1]

On 10/2/2023 at 12:30 PM, Yomo Kimyata said:

I *believe* that Power Transfer proc only works once per activation, i.e., you're not going to see it proc on ten opponents and get 50% of your health back.  I would love to be corrected if I'm wrong.

 

A bit of a necro, but just to have it on the record....

 

The proc does fire in Lightning Field and the number of targets drives up the likelihood of it firing. I tested by leaping into groups of Super Arachnoids in Grandville. But it does not fire that often and you need to be in a crowd to really notice it.

 

However, stick the proc in Stamina and Holy Hannah...it goes insane:

 

2024-11-16 00:21:03 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.
2024-11-16 00:21:13 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.
2024-11-16 00:21:23 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.
2024-11-16 00:21:33 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.
2024-11-16 00:21:43 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.
2024-11-16 00:22:03 You are healed by your Power Transfer: Chance to Heal Self for 74.96 health points.

 

That is with it slotted in only Stamina. It missed firing at 21:53. Still, 450 health back in a minute. On a build with no self-healing or one which is slow, it seems like a real plus.

[Maelwys]

Yeah it's 3PPM base, same as Panacea. I'll regularly throw Power Transfer Procs into Stamina and any other passive recovery/endurance powers (Brute Energy Mastery is particularly good here with both Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection) plus a Panacea Proc into Health, and it's pretty common to see all of them go off simultaneously.

 

There was a time whenever only one copy of the Power Transfer Proc could kick in every 10 seconds if you slotted multiple copies into toggles/autos; but these days thankfully they all stack.