Thanks For The Gift, Can I Give It Back?

[Frozen Burn]

Personally, I too am not a fan of earning patrol XP for explores.  I don't mind getting patrol XP in general... I just prefer getting real XP for the explores and wished it was that way again.  This is one of the bummers to this patch, but soooooooooooooooo minor. 

[Rudra]

7 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Debt consumes Patrol XP though. 

You can use debt to get rid of patrol xp by using the patrol xp to pay off the debt rather than level with it, but nothing cancels patrol xp. To the best of my knowledge, using the x2 xp buff from START (formerly P2W) stacks with patrol xp. And that was the question I was answering.

[Glacier Peak]

48 minutes ago, Rudra said:

You can use debt to get rid of patrol xp by using the patrol xp to pay off the debt rather than level with it, but nothing cancels patrol xp. To the best of my knowledge, using the x2 xp buff from START (formerly P2W) stacks with patrol xp. And that was the question I was answering.

Yeah, debt consumes patrol xp. What about turning on SG mode? I'll have to check next time I'm on. 

Edit: Nope, no luck. 

Edited February 22, 2024 by Glacier Peak

[UltraAlt]

12 hours ago, Rudra said:

I feel like we've previously had this discussion.

 

I don't remember it. I apologize. Perhaps with someone else.

 

12 hours ago, Rudra said:

And with the exception of patrol xp, the day job bonuses don't rocket you further along on your levels, increasing the likelihood of missing content unless you turn off xp

 

Okay, so you are against it for the xp and acknowledge that the situation can be resolved by turning off XP.

It seems that option exists, so I'm really not seeing the reason for all the animosity projected at it.

We can't turn off the bonus server XP either unless we turn off XP.

 

A this point, I do turn off xp on some characters because I figure - by character conception - that they have hit their "cap" or that I don't outlevel content or to stop from reaching level 50. 

I have the ability to turn xp off, so their patrol xp makes no difference.

 

I suggest since we already have a tool to turn off xp gain, that we use it.

Also, you already state that you know how to get rid of patrol xp if you really don't want it by letting your character get defeated until it is gone.

Not to argue, but It seems that all the bases are covered.

 

12 hours ago, Rudra said:

Now if I were to turn said poll around and ask how many people were indifferent to players getting access to a means of not getting patrol xp as opposed to it? The numbers go up by a lot. My reference for that? On all the threads I've made asking for a means of getting rid of or not getting patrol xp? The people opposed were a smaller number than the people in favor, with most of the comments being an indifferent "as long as it is just an option, I'm fine with it".

 

You know I try to support you in many situations.

This is one that I can't.

 

I think putting up a poll and having a significant sign that there are sufficient number of players to make this something for the DEVs to look into would support your case.

That's why I suggested it.

[Rudra]

30 minutes ago, UltraAlt said:

I have the ability to turn xp off, so their patrol xp makes no difference.

Turning off xp prevents me from acquiring xp from enemies and missions. (I do use it. Rather frequently so I don't outlevel the content at my current level range with the character I am playing at the time.) Turning off xp does not prevent me from acquiring patrol xp. Nothing does.

 

32 minutes ago, UltraAlt said:

I suggest since we already have a tool to turn off xp gain, that we use it.

Also, you already state that you know how to get rid of patrol xp if you really don't want it by letting your character get defeated until it is gone.

Not to argue, but It seems that all the bases are covered.

And out of my nominal hour of play time, that is a half hour of just spawning into a PvP zone from my base to just die and not actually play. I would like to spend my hour playing and not committing suicide repeatedly to be able to play.

 

33 minutes ago, UltraAlt said:

You know I try to support you in many situations.

This is one that I can't.

I appreciate that you try to support me in many situations. I also understand that you cannot in this case. It doesn't change my stance on patrol xp though. Sorry.

 

34 minutes ago, UltraAlt said:

I think putting up a poll and having a significant sign that there are sufficient number of players to make this something for the DEVs to look into would support your case.

That's why I suggested it.

The whole point of this thread was to just give some (negative) feedback on an implemented change I do not like. It was not my intent to delve back into the "let me not accrue patrol xp!" debate again. For at least the 4th time on this forum. (Which is why I specifically stated in the OP that I am not asking for a reversion or making a suggestion.) And while I understand where you are coming from with the poll, I am not aware of any forum poll giving the devs any more of an incentive to consider what a player is saying on the forums than just making another non-poll thread. All I am doing, or at least was trying to do, was give my voice in feedback with no expectation of anything changing. Call it venting, I don't care. You know what? Fine. I'll make the poll. It won't change a thing and goes well beyond what I wanted to do with this thread, but I'll make it.

[UltraAlt]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

Turning off xp does not prevent me from acquiring patrol xp. Nothing does.

 

Okay, but it does top the effect of patrol xp other than debt.

 

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

I appreciate that you try to support me in many situations. I also understand that you cannot in this case. It doesn't change my stance on patrol xp though. Sorry.

 

I don't expect you to.

I don't think it is worth the DEVs time to deal with it, and, yeah, you won't change my stance on this either.

 

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

You know what? Fine. I'll make the poll. It won't change a thing and goes well beyond what I wanted to do with this thread, but I'll make it.

 

I give up.

I haven't been trying to argue with you or start a fight.

 

 

 

[Rudra]

20 minutes ago, Talenteduc said:

You can delete the email gift message from your inbox, and that’s it—nothing changes in your account. I ignored mine and everything worked fine, no impact on anything.

What? Getting an explore badge does not generate an e-mail that has attached patrol xp. Getting an explore badge simply gives your character patrol xp.

[MTeague]

I don't have the conceptual revulsion to patrol xp that Rudra has, but I seriously lean on the "No XP" button a lot, since I enjoy doing a lot of story arcs at level content. Flashbacks exist, yes, and I do like them, but I want each character to do a moderate number of story arcs in each level range as they level.  The point (for me) is to know that i can use the character well no matter how many enhancement slots they have, before theyre completely tricked out. Because of this, very often the first thing I do on joining a team is click "No XP".

 

So, for me, "no xp" is all I truly need. But I admit, i never cared for "rested xp" in any MMO. 

If an option existed to decline it, I would use it. 

[TheMoneyMaker]

Just get yourself killed a lot and the XP debt will cancel out the patrol XP

[Akisan]

On 5/8/2025 at 4:56 AM, TheMoneyMaker said:

Just get yourself killed a lot and the XP debt will cancel out the patrol XP

 

As stated before (either in this thread or another patrol xp thread) - That gets to be rather tedius & frustrating, and can take quite a long time (depending on the toon & how recently they were played).

 

That also isn't a viable anti-patrol xp method for ironman characters, or any character below level 10 (since you don't start getting debt until level 10).

[arcane]

On 5/8/2025 at 5:56 AM, TheMoneyMaker said:

Just get yourself killed a lot and the XP debt will cancel out the patrol XP

Considering what a niche and ridiculous problem it is to be disturbed by patrol XP, I’d say this is the solution. 

[Super Atom]

I still think we should increase patrol XP for all toons that start with the letter "r" and end with the letter "a". Seems fair to me.

[Snarky]

I am totally in the Dark why this is an issue.   You do not want?  Shut off all experience.  When ready to level, turn it back on.   
 

[arcane]

13 hours ago, Super Atom said:

I still think we should increase patrol XP for all toons that start with the letter "r" and end with the letter "a". Seems fair to me.

Actually reviewed my character list to see if I was gonna get a buff but no dice 😔

[lemming]

8 minutes ago, arcane said:

Actually reviewed my character list to see if I was gonna get a buff but no dice 😔

Not that many words end in U (at least according to the scrabble dictionary), but one could do Radical Kungfu I suppose.

 

Though if I had a concept, Portmanteau would be a good name.   (Could be the Red Portmanteau....)

#offthetrackandintotheweeds

[Rudra]

Ah, the joys of a necro'ed thread. So we can all enjoy saying the exact same things that were already stated previously like they are new thoughts.

 

Edit: At least the person that necro'ed the thread did so with a new thought. It was wrong, probably from a misunderstanding of the thread title, but at least it wasn't a necro for the sake of repeating the same comments the thread already had before the thread died 15 months ago.

 

Edited May 10 by Rudra

[Snarky]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

Ah, the joys of a necro'ed thread. So we can all enjoy saying the exact same things that were already stated previously like they are new thoughts.

 

Edit: At least the person that necro'ed the thread did so with a new thought. It was wrong, probably from a misunderstanding of the thread title, but at least it wasn't a necro for the sake of repeating the same comments the thread already had before the thread died 15 months ago.

 

You have issues with the undead?

 

[skoryy]

Am I the only one to notice this got necro'd by a spambot?

[Rudra]

12 minutes ago, Snarky said:

You have issues with the undead?

 

You want to retread the same arguments?

 

12 minutes ago, skoryy said:

Am I the only one to notice this got necro'd by a spambot?

I didn't notice. Thanks for pointing that out.

[shortguy on indom]

• I LIKE PIE.

[TheMoneyMaker]

On 5/10/2025 at 4:52 PM, Rudra said:

You want to retread the same arguments?

 

I didn't notice. Thanks for pointing that out.

I've got a new argument, or at least one I don't think I've seen while skimming through all the old posts

 

I like patrol XP, and I like the bonus patrol XP for picking up explore badges. I wouldn't mind seeing another 5 bars of it added to what can be accumulated and more options to accumulate it. Right now it seems we have time spent offline, explore badges, and the Experienced temp power we get at the anniversary and sometimes as a bonus in the holiday packs. Maybe some super rare inspirations like that level boost one where you can use the inspiration and add a level's worth of patrol XP.

[Rudra]

21 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

I've got a new argument, or at least one I don't think I've seen while skimming through all the old posts

 

I like patrol XP, and I like the bonus patrol XP for picking up explore badges. I wouldn't mind seeing another 5 bars of it added to what can be accumulated and more options to accumulate it. Right now it seems we have time spent offline, explore badges, and the Experienced temp power we get at the anniversary and sometimes as a bonus in the holiday packs. Maybe some super rare inspirations like that level boost one where you can use the inspiration and add a level's worth of patrol XP.

Which has zero to do with the thread. So thank you for continuing a necro for no reason.

[TheMoneyMaker]

18 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Which has zero to do with the thread. So thank you for continuing a necro for no reason.

"Zero"?

 

Thread is about not wanting the patrol XP gift and wanting to give it back. I'm contributing by saying that I appreciate the gift and don't want to see any way for it to be taken away; in fact I want to see more of it given. So.....you're welcome.

[Rudra]

2 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

"Zero"?

 

Thread is about not wanting the patrol XP gift and wanting to give it back. I'm contributing by saying that I appreciate the gift and don't want to see any way for it to be taken away; in fact I want to see more of it given. So.....you're welcome.

Exactly. You are saying you want more ways to get it. So go make your own suggestion thread about doing so.

[TheMoneyMaker]

7 hours ago, Rudra said:

Exactly. You are saying you want more ways to get it. So go make your own suggestion thread about doing so.

That's rich coming from a guy that's quick to argue in other people's threads about not liking their suggestions because it doesn't suit his interests

 

In other words:  no, I'll voice my disagreement here by suggesting we need more of the thing you're saying you don't want. I'm on topic, just in disagreement with the original request.