Gender Equality!! MM Thugs/Zombies/Merc/Ninja

[MidnightCry]

Could you all add random Female summons now?

did this for all the relevant villain groups yea?

[JasperStone]

I think this has been asked for many times.

The answer is no because, if I remember correctly, to prevent pimp daddies - harems - and .... etc.

[MidnightCry]

Ooook that dont make sense since I am Female.........got my HAREM all right there like 😄

[TygerDarkstorm]

Technically zombies are gender neutral as the breasts would have rotted away

[mistagoat]

1 hour ago, TygerDarkstorm said:

Technically zombies are gender neutral as the breasts would have rotted away

Not a sentence I expected to read today!

 

 

 

OP, I'm on board for randomly gendered henchfolk.

[TygerDarkstorm]

13 minutes ago, mistagoat said:

Not a sentence I expected to read today!

 

 

 

OP, I'm on board for randomly gendered henchfolk.

It was just the first thing I can think of when I saw the zombies mentioned lol. They're technically gender neutral just by the nature of what they are.

 

But I did forget to mention I'm in support of the OP's idea for the other ones. I'm not sure that the harem/pimp argument against this holds a lot of merit given that reverse harems and female pimps are a thing as well. And again, zombies are gender neutral, so necrophilia arguments don't really work either.

[MidnightCry]

No sure how my idea went THAT way.....

 

and Female Zombies are totally do able.... just give them a shirt and hair 😛

[Trickshooter]

Not really a fan of randomly gendered henchman, just cause they can be named and I'm sure there are people out there who don't want their henchman randomly changing back and forth. And just FYI, this is to no one in particular at all, but that sentence is not an invitation for someone to make a weird trans joke, so just keep that to yourself.

 

I'd prefer we just have the ability to decide for each henchman individually if we want them a guy or a girl, though I'm not sure we'll ever get that as an option. I think ultimately the internet can never just be normal about some things and there are people who can and will be gross about it, and so it's just too big a can of worms for the devs to want to tackle.

[Rudra]

34 minutes ago, Trickshooter said:

Not really a fan of randomly gendered henchman, just cause they can be named and I'm sure there are people out there who don't want their henchman randomly changing back and forth.

That's why I don't typically play Thugs. The T1s are always a different NPC model when they are summoned.

 

35 minutes ago, Trickshooter said:

I'd prefer we just have the ability to decide for each henchman individually if we want them a guy or a girl,

Individually customizable henchmen for our MMs would be fantastic. Especially if we could have a different look for them based on our character's current look. My Ninja/Dark MM is at that formal get together Vanguard is hosting to discuss peace with the Rikti? My pets show up in formal attire just like my MM. We're running around on a snow map mission? They're dressed in winter clothes/camo just like my MM. I'm probably asking for entirely too much though.

[MidnightCry]

4 hours ago, Rudra said:

That's why I don't typically play Thugs. The T1s are always a different NPC model when they are summoned.

 

Individually customizable henchmen for our MMs would be fantastic. Especially if we could have a different look for them based on our character's current look. My Ninja/Dark MM is at that formal get together Vanguard is hosting to discuss peace with the Rikti? My pets show up in formal attire just like my MM. We're running around on a snow map mission? They're dressed in winter clothes/camo just like my MM. I'm probably asking for entirely too much though.

 

Thats a great idea like a tailor option

[TheMoneyMaker]

My wife wants a girl gang because women can do anything men can do, except in COH

[UltraAlt]

17 hours ago, Trickshooter said:

I'd prefer we just have the ability to decide for each henchman individually if we want them a guy or a girl, though I'm not sure we'll ever get that as an option. I think ultimately the internet can never just be normal about some things and there are people who can and will be gross about it, and so it's just too big a can of worms for the devs to want to tackle.

 

I assume if we ever get to customize the henchmen, it will be an all or nothing thing. 

All Tier 1 will look the same. All Tier 2 will look the same. Of course, there is only one Tier 3.

 

16 hours ago, Rudra said:

Especially if we could have a different look for them based on our character's current look.

 

I think that would really complicate matters/programing.

We will be lucking if we get to customize them for a character at all.

 

23 hours ago, JasperStone said:

I think this has been asked for many times.

The answer is no because, if I remember correctly, to prevent pimp daddies - harems - and .... etc.

 

And this is another good reason to go with assets that are already in the game.

There are already female character models in enemy groups that would fit costume-wise for thugs and ninjas.

 

Personally, I wouldn't care if they went the route of making them Prismatic Aether costumes for henchmen based on their tier.

As long as the Prismatic Aether costume is turned on for that henchmen tier, they all look like that Prismatic Aether costume.

 

 

 

Edited July 31 by UltraAlt

[TheMoneyMaker]

On 7/30/2024 at 8:47 AM, JasperStone said:

I think this has been asked for many times.

The answer is no because, if I remember correctly, to prevent pimp daddies - harems - and .... etc.

 

On 7/30/2024 at 12:15 PM, TygerDarkstorm said:

I'm not sure that the harem/pimp argument against this holds a lot of merit given that reverse harems and female pimps are a thing as well.

 

In this day and age, no argument for barring anything by gender holds any merit unless people are willing to definitively state that gender is defined by appearance.  Otherwise your standard thugs or mercenaries could identify as female. Granted they are NPCs and can't identify as anything for themselves but the MM player can emote speech for them to proclaim their pronouns and gender and thus identify them as women, so any harems you see may look one way but don't assume anything because that way lies cancel culture.

[plainguy]

My 2 cents on this.

Originally the complaint was that the coding for Masterminds is so different then everything else and how the minions are created, it is sort of all baked in, that it was impossible to do this.

We know this is now a lie or not exactly the truth since other off shoots of this game have found work arounds to make customizable minions. Also to be clear no one from Homecoming ever expressed this but original developers did.

It is 2024 we should move with the times even if you have personal opinions otherwise.
I understand enough about technology to say a few simple things.

Now I do not want mods and homecoming team to be policing this stuff.

What should or could be done is have a tic box when creating a Mastermind and deciding to CUSTOMIZE ( and customize ONLY ) your Minions instead of going with the standard look or something beyond changing color.. They make a small ULA that says if you do anything offensive you will be PERMA banned. That includes your account, email and ANY other accounts that we can associate to that IP ADDRESS. You have to tic the box to proceed that you acknowledge and understand.. 

So if your a parent or a young teen and screw up and get CAUGHT.. You have screwed over everyone in the household that plays the game as well.

No email from parents saying, sorry my child was a stupid for doing this.. Please don't punish all of us.. ETC, Blah, Blah, Blah.
We don't know and we are not going to investigate to figure this all out.. It is a total ban. Refresh your IP address, Get a new email address and start all over.. 

Now will it stop someone from being a deviant and creating such a character and then going into their base and role-playing some sick stuff out? No.. 
But it also cannot be seen by the public. 
BUT the MINUTE you screw up and someone sees something and can take a screenshot of the text or an image of you doing something inappropriate with Mastermind character customization. YOU SLIPPED UP and YOU ARE DONE !

I have done enough cyber investigations and subsequent arrest in my past career and have done enough cyber investigations in my current career to know we have enough logs to enforce this.

Some might think this is harsh and a bit overboard. 
Personally I think this is what you deserve for being a savage and violating this unique rule which is only in place to give players an option they wanted so much and for so many years..  Again you don't bite the hands that feeds you..

This why it should be a savage ban hammer.. 

[srmalloy]

On 7/30/2024 at 7:17 AM, TygerDarkstorm said:

Technically zombies are gender neutral as the breasts would have rotted away

Or the implants would have fallen off when the skin decayed, given the increasing prevalence of mammoplasty... again making them gender neutral.

[JasperStone]

19 hours ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

 

 

In this day and age, no argument for barring anything by gender holds any merit unless people are willing to definitively state that gender is defined by appearance.  Otherwise your standard thugs or mercenaries could identify as female. Granted they are NPCs and can't identify as anything for themselves but the MM player can emote speech for them to proclaim their pronouns and gender and thus identify them as women, so any harems you see may look one way but don't assume anything because that way lies cancel culture.

I was not sharing my opinion ... just why we did not have that option from the depths of my old man foggy brain.

 

 

[MidnightCry]

Guys My idea wasn't about customizing MM pets it was just adding female toons to the spawning pool

mostly for thugs and merc's but added the other humanoids for flavor, it don't think it will take a lot to add

[Triumphant]

17 minutes ago, MidnightCry said:

Guys My idea wasn't about customizing MM pets it was just adding female toons to the spawning pool

mostly for thugs and merc's but added the other humanoids for flavor, it don't think it will take a lot to add

 

I don't know a thing about coding/programming etc., so I have no idea whether it would be easy or difficult.  Conceptually, though, I support the idea.  Having a gang of girl thugs could be a hoot. 😄👍

[Vanden]

20 minutes ago, MidnightCry said:

Guys My idea wasn't about customizing MM pets it was just adding female toons to the spawning pool

mostly for thugs and merc's but added the other humanoids for flavor, it don't think it will take a lot to add

 

Things is I don't think female pets are gonna happen without pet customization, too much potential to mess with existing character concepts that could hinge on all the pets being male.

[FDR's Think Tank]

People will be offended if you allow them to be offended. If you simply say "It's not our problem" and make sure the Moderators hold the line on leaving well enough alone, then there shouldn't be any issues with adding this.... Especially considering this games entire premise is based on the Western Culture Modern Mythos. Nobody serious is going to play a game like this without being prepared to run into something like that. The people pretending to be offended are just looking for an excuse.

 

The reason they didn't do it when the game went live is because they knew, if given the choice, most players were going to make their henchmen women... which is fine for the individual doing it, but when considering the effect they wanted with Henchmen, which was squads of typically male goons that most Villains employ.... would spoil the atmosphere of the game. That's not exactly a concern now, is it? There is no board of investors to answer to and it's not a game that lives and dies based on updates.

 

Now the game has been out, died, come back to life, and is not exactly flooded with casuals. Anyone still playing would be considered a hardcore gamer with that kind of dedication in any other game. We're mostly adults and highly doubt anyone would bother to abuse the function to do something silly like flooding a gathering area with piles of Harems. Even if they DID do that, it would just be a mildly passing amusement. I just don't see it being an ongoing organic issue unless this game suddenly gets thousands of teenage boys flooding into the game to make their own videogame harem. Wouldn't a larger player base be.... a good thing? Or are we trying to exclude people from a great thing? They will eventually get bored of Harems and want to try a variety of different ideas, many of which will integrate well with the community.

 

If it's still a concern of atmosphere, you could always test something like making the Mastermind's top Henchmen eligible for customization. This would be a good way of determining which customization options Henchmen should be eligible for based on rank. After testing that out, you slowly work down to the lower level henchmen, provided it doesn't create the social/atmosphere problems people fear.

[Techwright]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:43 AM, MidnightCry said:

Guys My idea wasn't about customizing MM pets it was just adding female toons to the spawning pool

mostly for thugs and merc's but added the other humanoids for flavor, it don't think it will take a lot to add

 

Okay, so say you get the men and the women,  but what about the real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri??  No love for them?

[JasperStone]

2 hours ago, Techwright said:

 

Okay, so say you get the men and the women,  but what about the real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri??  No love for them?

 

Tribbles...

 

[FDR's Think Tank]

1 hour ago, JasperStone said:

 

Tribbles...

 

 

If they had small furry bear men as a Mastermind Minion Set... you could dress like a Storm Trooper/Wookie and lead Ewoks into battle! Tribbles/Critters feel more like Controller/Dominator Summons.... you can't control them, you just unleash them.

 

That's the thing about any Alien Mastermind Summon Set.... sure, you can give the player rayguns for combat, but the minions practically require you to be able to customize them. So we're definitely getting female minions around the same time they crack that chestnut. For now, you're stuck with Robots for Alien/Space themes. It's pretty effective.

 

It occurs to me, the other way they could test the female minion thing is to make a Mastermind Set that just happens to have all Female Minions. Like they could have Pirate Minion Mastermind set (Complete with Booming Cannon Attacks), and it debuts with Female Minions, as a testbed/teaser for minion selection/customization. Other Possibilities for this would be Viking Minions (Valkyrie/Shield Maidens) w/ Throwing Axes, Puppetry Minions w/Puppet String trickery, Ghost Minions w/Ectoplasm, and Siren Wreckers w/Symphonic Combat.

 

 

 

 

[ThatGuyCDude]

7 hours ago, Techwright said:

 

Okay, so say you get the men and the women,  but what about the real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri??  No love for them?

Men were REAL men!  Women were REAL women!  And small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were REAL small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri!

(How would the new models be selected?  Power customization?  Randomly?  Random might interfere with henchmen/pet naming conventions, unless the game starts tracking pet names by model instead of pet slot number.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm on board with any customization or variety expansion in the game... just trying to wrap my head around how the devs might handle the details.)

Edited August 25 by ThatGuyCDude

[Techwright]

57 minutes ago, ThatGuyCDude said:

Men were REAL men!  Women were REAL women!  And small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were REAL small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri!


EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm on board with any customization or variety expansion in the game... just trying to wrap my head around how the devs might handle the details.)

Glad folks caught the reference. 😁

 

As to details, @MidnightCry stated the preference for female forms to randomize with the current male forms...so, we already have a randomization process in place.  It sounds to me like the big issue would be art and animation.  Possibly reserved slots for that set to go in as well. (I'm really, really guessing at that last bit.  With an old engine I don't know if there's a limit to a list to pull from.)