Aggravated

[ivanhedgehog]

On 9/17/2024 at 5:31 PM, JasperStone said:

yes, it would be best if you had turned it off  as I have said 

But ....

I still smell a heaping pile of BS about the Leader getting complaints.

If you can't ask in team chat...then don't say anything.

 

Cases in point:

I was on a PUG TF recently where, as we rushed in ...BOOM, knockback

Due to the team mix, it was hard to tell who it was.

Finally, someone asked in chat, and a player fessed up to it, and said that they had not slotted KB-KD

He was asked to at least not lead with it and use it to knock foes back into the group 

Sure! 

On we went

 

One TF this weekend in my Sonic /Marine Affinity Corr.

I would leap in  ... only to have a teammate use Foldspace 

... fweppp...they were gone, and my Nuke did NADA

I asked who was doing it in Team Chat, and there were three who were using it 

Whelp ... I lose.

I have modified my playstyle.

 

 

 

 

Unless they were in a discord server and the complaints were over voice. If the leader asks....do it.

[Heliphyn34u]

20 hours ago, merrypessimist said:

ITF as I recall. 

 

Hm.  In a wide-open area, Group Fly shouldn't have affected teammates too much, as long as OP was fighting mobs apart from everyone else.  But during, for example, the computer fight (with or without Rommy and Requiem), GF would have been disruptive.  I don't remember what the radius is for GF, but if you can't be far enough away for it to not affect the rest of the team, especially during a boss fight, and you're asked to turn it off, better to do so.

 

GF is certainly useful versus the Hami Seed, and during the Mito portion of a Hami Raid, and during the pylons and bomb placements of an MSR, but would be unnecessary for the Hami end fight or in the bowl. 

 

Before this thread, I didn't realize that one could not interact with Null during a TF.  Maybe that's to prevent people from switching alignments mid-TF?  (If someone switched to Villain during a TF, or to Hero during an SF, would they be auto-booted or would that crash the whole TF/SF?)  Just wondering if it would be easier to allow Null contact during TFs than adding "Disable Group Fly" to Options, which has already been established as being difficult/time-consuming.  Not that the devs don't have enough on their plates already.

 

I guess the bottom line is uphold Wheaton's Law, be prepared to compromise when you're on a team/league, and if you can't do that, soloing is always an option. 

 

[Snarky]

only one answer now

[shortguy on indom]

• DELETE AND START THIS THREAD OVER?

[JasperStone]

15 hours ago, ivanhedgehog said:

Unless they were in a discord server and the complaints were over voice. If the leader asks....do it.

Then that should have been said.

"Hey some of us are on Discord, and you GF has come up."

 

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Also why I don't team with people on who use Discord

[Seed22]

1 hour ago, JasperStone said:

Then that should have been said.

"Hey some of us are on Discord, and you GF has come up."

 

...

Also why I don't team with people on who use Discord

If people are using discord they usually only advertise in said discord so you more than likely would never know they’re even in it & be on that team in the first place.

[ivanhedgehog]

6 hours ago, Seed22 said:

If people are using discord they usually only advertise in said discord so you more than likely would never know they’re even in it & be on that team in the first place.

I run a private discord for me, my wife and friends. Occasionally I invite others but not often. I invite in chat to fill spots not taken by my friends.

[lemming]

29 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said:

I run a private discord for me, my wife and friends. Occasionally I invite others but not often. I invite in chat to fill spots not taken by my friends.

I think this is fairly common.  I do the same and know of a few others.     We sometimes aren't even on the same missions, etc... and just chatting about non-CoX stuff.

[Seed22]

2 hours ago, lemming said:

I think this is fairly common.  I do the same and know of a few others.     We sometimes aren't even on the same missions, etc... and just chatting about non-CoX stuff.

I’m in a discord with my brother and a few of our friends and my brother doesn’t really play CoH anymore and none of our friends ever played.

 

We’ll just talk shit and chill in the discord between games. If I’m using discord in CoH, its because of HM runs. And that’s only been twice.

 

Other HM runs were without discord. It’s very rare to join a group I think running discord in the wild. Not impossible, I think I’ve been in one before and they invited me to join in but I wasn’t really into discord at the time. But its literally just been that one time.

Edited September 21 by Seed22

[Apogee]

2 minutes ago, Seed22 said:

I’m in a discord with my brother and a few of our friends and my brother doesn’t really play CoH anymore and none of our friends ever played.

 

We’ll just talk shit and chill in the discord between games. If I’m using discord in CoH, its because of HM runs. And that’s only been twice.

 

Other HM runs were without discord. It’s very rare to join a group I think running discord in the wild. Not impossible, I think I’ve been in one before and they invited me to join in but I wasn’t really into discord at the time. But its literally just been that one time.

 

Come on Seed, only 7 posts to go for 1K!

 

I really don't understand the dislike for Discord or other voice chat programs.  It makes running a team or league much easier.

[Seed22]

1 minute ago, Apogee said:

 

Come on Seed, only 7 posts to go for 1K!

 

I really don't understand the dislike for Discord or other voice chat programs.  It makes running a team or league much easier.

Im getting there! 5 years in the makin’ 😀

 

I can understand why. Discord is kinda not the best at onboarding new users to its benefits and UI imo, and I’m on the younger side of the audience of CoH.

 

Also, to continue, a lot of CoH players are older and set in the ways of old fashioned communication via forums, and prefer this over having to learn discord and keep up with all the chatter therein throughout the day. You can post here, go off to work or what have you, and come back and interact a bit then call it a day. 
 

[JKCarrier]

I use Discord for other things (including pen-and-paper RPGs). But the one time I joined a team in CoH that was using it, it got very annoying very quickly. People arguing with their spouses, dogs barking, music blaring, etc. etc. No thanks.

[Scarlet Shocker]

On 9/19/2024 at 3:36 PM, Neiska said:

 

Snarky, I am curious. Do you just have a folder full of countless nosfetatu pics and memes to just whip out for any occasion? Just wondering. 😆

 

you should see what he whips out on family gatherings! 😱

[Seed22]

I also used to use discord for pathfinder in college during COVID. It wasn’t great being honest but it was all we had before they let us back on campus. 

[Crysis]

On 9/16/2024 at 12:09 PM, Gravitus said:

If I wasn't a casual gamer with limited time that would be more feasible.... but seeing as how the devs have already provided a solution, would it not morally fall on the other players who don't want it to deal with it? 

 

Morality dictates that you be as conscientious of others limited play time as you expect them to be of yours, independent of knowledge of game mechanics.  

 

Players shouldn’t volunteer to join a team in Cim for example when a) they don’t know how to get there, b) they have to obtain the ability to get there and c) they make everyone else wait 15 minutes so that they can actually get there.  They are imposing their lack of knowledge and infringing on my limited playtime.  It’s not much different than using Group Fly and ‘forcing’ it on everyone else for the next 30mins to 1.5 hours of a TF because once you start using it, if they then choose to turn it off, it’s too late short of forcing everyone to wait outside a mission while they run off to go to Null the Gull to make the necessary changes.  Oh and that’s not even possible if running a TF….they are locked in with you using your “crutch” until the end.

 

Look, I play Bots MM’s too, and I have Group Fly on many of them.  But I always ask if anyone has an issue with me using it before using it exactly for this reason.  I’ve gotten kicked off of teams/TF’s before for using it and some of the players being unable to activate their own powers.  

 

If I’m being totally honest, I’m with @Bionic_Flea’s assessment.  It’s a great power with poor implementation.  Should have never been coded to affect anyone outside of the player themselves without an in-game prompt asking if you’d like to allow PlayerX to affect you with their Group Fly.  Because the “morality” of any power that can adversely impact another’s ability to play the game using the full range of their powers is “bad” outside of PvP.

 

By way of challenge, I do want you to rethink Group Fly as a “crutch.”  If you know how to properly stance and control your pets, outside of maybe Shadow Shard/dimension missions, I can’t think of a single tactical reason why I need to use Group Fly.  Absolute worst case for me is to dismiss and resummon, which I have on macro’s for all MM alts.  Group Fly is less to do with utility and more about the vanity of the rocket boots on bots.

Edited September 22 by Crysis

[Crysis]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:34 AM, Neiska said:

I take fold space sometimes, usually on my MM or my Crabby. When I use it I make sure to plant my butt next to the tank, or look for opportunities to pull more things into the aoe from the dps.

 

Personally, I consider pulling mobs away from the tanker to be poor form. There are a few neat uses though. I like dropping an Omega Maneuver which taunts, then use fold space to pull more things in.

 

My biggest gripe about fold space is its random targeting. Sometimes it hits things already on the tank, sometimes it hits things far away. Seems a bit random. I wish there was a bit more control, as in you could select a group or area to affect. That would allow for much more precision and control of what it affects.

 

This is the definitive method for using FS when you -have- a tank.  I play a great many PUG’s where we have no tank and the ground patches that the players drop (notably of the knockdown variety) -ARE- the “tank” or at least the target for Fold Space.

 

What gets me with the power is the haphazard nature of sometimes dropping the targets BEHIND my summoner and then sometimes dropping it in FRONT of me.  So regardless, I’m generally trying to stand in the middle of the patch of (/insertpowernamehere) so as to try and get as many inside of its AoE as possible.

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, Crysis said:

 

This is the definitive method for using FS when you -have- a tank.  I play a great many PUG’s where we have no tank and the ground patches that the players drop (notably of the knockdown variety) -ARE- the “tank” or at least the target for Fold Space.

 

What gets me with the power is the haphazard nature of sometimes dropping the targets BEHIND my summoner and then sometimes dropping it in FRONT of me.  So regardless, I’m generally trying to stand in the middle of the patch of (/insertpowernamehere) so as to try and get as many inside of its AoE as possible.

Now I desperately want to make a character that uses Fold Space, wormhole, and something like black hole to make enemies go here, wait, noi there!, wait they are intangible! all while acting innocent.  "i am knew heres is dis rihgt?"

[Ghost]

18 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Now I desperately want to make a character that uses Fold Space, wormhole, and something like black hole to make enemies go here, wait, noi there!, wait they are intangible! all while acting innocent.  "i am knew heres is dis rihgt?"

Concept has already been taken…

by some teammates I’ve had.

[ZemX]

On 9/22/2024 at 7:33 AM, Crysis said:

This is the definitive method for using FS when you -have- a tank.  I play a great many PUG’s where we have no tank and the ground patches that the players drop (notably of the knockdown variety) -ARE- the “tank” or at least the target for Fold Space.

As someone who is lately mostly playing tankers... I don't let it bother me.  If someone snatches away all the mobs I have gathered around me, I take this as them telling me, "I got this!" and I move on to the next spawn.  Gives me extra time to collect them up.  Same thing I do when someone uses an AoE knockback to scatter my group.  "Oh, you're gonna handle this now?  Cool.  I'll move on to the next."

 

And usually it IS fine.  Not like many teams NEED a tanker these days.

[Laucianna]

5 hours ago, ZemX said:

As someone who is lately mostly playing tankers... I don't let it bother me.  If someone snatches away all the mobs I have gathered around me, I take this as them telling me, "I got this!" and I move on to the next spawn.  Gives me extra time to collect them up.  Same thing I do when someone uses an AoE knockback to scatter my group.  "Oh, you're gonna handle this now?  Cool.  I'll move on to the next."

 

And usually it IS fine.  Not like many teams NEED a tanker these days.

That's honestly a great approach too, as by the time they are done with the mobs that were snatched away, you have collected the next herd in a nice little clump to be killed!

[lemming]

5 hours ago, ZemX said:

As someone who is lately mostly playing tankers... I don't let it bother me.  If someone snatches away all the mobs I have gathered around me, I take this as them telling me, "I got this!" and I move on to the next spawn.  Gives me extra time to collect them up.  Same thing I do when someone uses an AoE knockback to scatter my group.  "Oh, you're gonna handle this now?  Cool.  I'll move on to the next."

 

And usually it IS fine.  Not like many teams NEED a tanker these days.

Yea, I've gone with the philosophy that if you KB someone, it's your responsibility to clean it up.

[WuTang]

Here's how much I hate Group Fly.

 

Step 1: Create new toon

Step 2: Head straight to Pocket D and turn that shit off.

Step 3: While there, watch the RPers while trying to guilt trip a farmer for a door gig.

[Shin Magmus]

     13 pages of people explaining to OP the concept of entitlement and how 2-way respect and communication work?  Based.

 

     I 100% visit Null to disable being debuffed by Group Slow Fly on every one of my characters.  It's annoying to have the onus continuously be put on everyone else but the Group Slow Fly user... the person creating the problem... but hey whatcha gonna do?  It's not like this thread ever resulted in agreement or understanding between the 2 parties, and it never will.  I wouldn't be surprised if the HC Powers Devs were looking at Group Fly with how often this comes up.

[Skyhawke]

[Neiska]

10 minutes ago, Krimson said:

People would rather dump on a player for using a built-in game mechanic than visit Null. They will ALWAYS consider this the other player's responsibility, and then act all surprised when someone with Group Fly shows up on their PuG because they can't be bothered to vet their groups. Or... they join a PuG expecting everyone to know their unwritten rules.

 

Keep in mind, that most of the people who gripe in these forums will NEVER be seen in a mission in-game. Use group fly if you want because the guy with the foul mouth is never going to be on your team, so his opinion doesn't matter.

Normally, I might agree. But when you use a power that affects more than one person, it’s not just about you anymore. And it’s not on everyone’s else (especially mid-mission) to use the Null option.

 

Instead of being indignant and self centered, persons who are asked to turn it off by the team or leader should do so. Some teams may not mind it. I suspect most will. Personally, if a team leader asks me not to use a power, be it group fly or something else like fold space, then I don’t. That’s what being part of a team is. Even if such powers make YOU better, but is a detriment to everyone ELSE, then it’s a net loss. And it’s the leaders call to use it or not. And if you use it after being asked to stop, they are well within their right to remove you, because you are being a detriment to the team as a whole.

 

It can be argued that anyone who wishes to use group fly on teams without the risk of getting booted can make their own team. Which is far easier for everyone involved than automatically expecting/demanding everyone uses the Null so you can use an optional power that is actually a detriment to a great many builds and powers.