Best Offense, Defense, and Support

[Tankshock]

1 minute ago, High_Beam said:

So good in fact that I stopped playing mine around level 36 and moved her to my junk pile on Everlasting awaiting component removal.

You're making your teammates sad.  😞 

[Octogoat]

No.

[Yomo Kimyata]

5 hours ago, Tankshock said:

According to a scientific study with a margin of error of  0.00027%, the following 3 builds are the best "money is no object" in the game:

Offense: Fire/TA Blaster

Defense: Rad/MA Tank

Support: DP/Time Defender

 

Offense:  hmm, Battle Axe/Radiation scrapper

Defense:  Dark Melee/Ice Armor scrapper

Support:  Kinetic Melee/Bio Armor scrapper

[Without_Pause]

27 minutes ago, Tankshock said:

Agreed, DDR makes Shield always a good choice.  Esp with the typed changes.

But max resist with high healing means it never really matters.  

There have been tests run and Rad did not in fact win out. Once debuffs hit, and they will, Rad is no match for Shield or SR.

[Etched]

1 hour ago, Without_Pause said:

So you haven't played /fire then. Fire has the best Trapdoor clear times, is far less resisted, and has no real End issues. Certainly not even in the same ballpark as my WM Brute does. 

 

 

I understand what you are sayin but I'm not playing for how quickly I can clear out Trapdoor, especially since I don't think I even ran a Trapdoor since live. I play this toon cause it is fun to ME. 

 

It's also was one of my mains back during Live.

 

[Tankshock]

2 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

There have been tests run and Rad did not in fact win out. Once debuffs hit, and they will, Rad is no match for Shield or SR.

I reference those tests on page 37 of the sources. They were flawed for our purposes here. But yes, in very specific circumstances while running solo, DDR is king.

[Tankshock]

2 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

 

Offense:  hmm, Battle Axe/Radiation scrapper

Defense:  Dark Melee/Ice Armor scrapper

Support:  Kinetic Melee/Bio Armor scrapper

/agreed on the survivability and overall usefulness of Dark Melee.  And if this were 2008 scrapper would likely be the right answer for every question.  

 

I miss those days...

[Glacier Peak]

I have soloed all content in this game outside of the things teammates are required to start (incarnate trials, MSR, Hami, etc.) with my Ice Blast/Cold Domination/Ice Mastery Corruptor. I have every souvenir, collected nearly ever badge (outside incarnate content and Master of stuff), and played the same character for over five years now. This anecdotal evidence implies any other Archetype and powerset combination could also do so under the same constraints.

 

Edited November 26 by Glacier Peak

[Techwright]

9 hours ago, Tankshock said:

According to a scientific study with a margin of error of  0.00027%, the following 3 builds are the best "money is no object" in the game:

Offense: Fire/TA Blaster

Defense: Rad/MA Tank

Support: DP/Time Defender

 

[Mopery]

Having consulted with the Oracle of DelTaco, the single most powerful AT and powersets in the game is a Kin Melee/Regen Scrapper. His answer is above reproach, just out of reach.

[Tankshock]

Ah, Regen.  Now there's a set I've not heard in quite some time.

It was once quite famous across all of Galaxy.  What's that, you've never heard of Galaxy?

[Andreah]

The differences between players playing contending builds from each role far exceeds the differences between the builds.

[Psyonico]

11 hours ago, Tankshock said:

DP keeps opponents at 30-50% resistance debuffed.  That's the best team support debuff in the current iteration of the game.

I'll grant you that Time might only be 99% probability of being the best.  But that's only to avoid an argument.  😉  It's so good on virtually any team.  Max defenses, great recharge, healing, accuracy.  You can grab noobs and let them feel the power of being a hero, and any vet team loves recharge and -resist.

The only -resist that DP has is piercing rounds, which is *basically* ST and is 20% non-stacking.  Not sure where you're getting 30-50% from.

 

If I'm reading COD correctly, Howl from Sonic Resonance alone provides 20% -resist, but is an actual AOE, and it has all the other ST -resist to stack on top of it.

[Without_Pause]

8 hours ago, Etched said:

 

 

I understand what you are sayin but I'm not playing for how quickly I can clear out Trapdoor, especially since I don't think I even ran a Trapdoor since live. I play this toon cause it is fun to ME. 

 

It's also was one of my mains back during Live.

 

Trapdoor is merely a data point. Add in how it is lesser resisted and it will come out in the lead across pretty much any map. 

[Snarky]

[Auroxis]

Offense: Fire/Marine Corr (corr shifting tides makes you deal blaster DPS)

Defense: Bio/Axe Tanker (just an all-around powerhouse)

Support: Marine/DP Def (-res/-dmg stacking on this is insane, see pylon screenshot)

Edited November 27 by Auroxis

[Auroxis]

5 hours ago, Psyonico said:

The only -resist that DP has is piercing rounds, which is *basically* ST and is 20% non-stacking.  Not sure where you're getting 30-50% from.

 

If I'm reading COD correctly, Howl from Sonic Resonance alone provides 20% -resist, but is an actual AOE, and it has all the other ST -resist to stack on top of it.

The current state of Sonic Attack isn't great. Put simply, your first attack does -20% and subsequent attacks do an additional -8% up to around 3-4 times. DP also does -20% (albeit single target), but has a much easier time applying -res procs, provides -dmg, and has significantly better DPS.

 

Edited November 27 by Auroxis

[Sanguinesun]

Makes a contentious thread intentionally.

Debate and more pot-stirring continues.

Eventually gets veteran posters tired of it to start posting meme pics/gifs for the purposes of attracting a moderator to lock it for it having devolved.

 

Must be the middle of the week again... 

 

[Tankshock]

9 hours ago, Psyonico said:

The only -resist that DP has is piercing rounds, which is *basically* ST and is 20% non-stacking.  Not sure where you're getting 30-50% from.

 

If I'm reading COD correctly, Howl from Sonic Resonance alone provides 20% -resist, but is an actual AOE, and it has all the other ST -resist to stack on top of it.

DP is great for procs, plus Slowed Response.  It probably does AOE -resist better than Sonic, but certainly does damage better (because of procs)

[Uun]

1 hour ago, Tankshock said:

DP is great for procs, plus Slowed Response.  It probably does AOE -resist better than Sonic, but certainly does damage better (because of procs)

If you're relying on procs for -res, then DP isn't the cause. There are any number of sets that can be similarly slotted with -res procs (Beam, Rad, Seismic, Water).

 

On top of it, you're pairing it with Time, which is nowhere near the best for -res (nor is it particularly good for -regen). 

[ChocolateMercenary]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:30 AM, Tankshock said:

According to a scientific study with a margin of error of  0.00027%, the following 3 builds are the best "money is no object" in the game:

Offense: Fire/TA Blaster

Defense: Rad/MA Tank

Support: DP/Time Defender

The requirement is to be able to help any team in any type of content in the given role.  I will only accept peer reviewed comments from those with a PhD in COH.  Well reasoned and documented disagreements will be entered in the study, but only as examples of why they are wrong.

Offense: Storm/Storm Corruptor.

Defense: WP/Titan Tanker.

Support: Earth/Traps Controller.

 

I'm fully aware that I am completely wrong, but we will have fun.

[Tankshock]

35 minutes ago, Uun said:

If you're relying on procs for -res, then DP isn't the cause. There are any number of sets that can be similarly slotted with -res procs (Beam, Rad, Seismic, Water).

 

On top of it, you're pairing it with Time, which is nowhere near the best for -res (nor is it particularly good for -regen). 

 

You make a good point on procs, but I can only go by the data mined from my extensive research.

Seriously tho, Hail being up so often does a lot for the -resist.  Beam and Seismic just don't compare overall, imo.  Water in particular is solid, but I think DP has it beat.

But Time is doing the heavy lifting, it does virtually everything.  Slowed response with Achilles Heel in a high rech build is high end -res (-50 to -70 on 16 targets in a 25' ?  Yes please).  -Regen is certainly nice against hard targets, but everyone has the dagger so it's not a big deal anymore.  Not enough to make up for everything else Time does.

 

Edited November 27 by Tankshock

[Snarky]

18 hours ago, Glacier Peak said:

I have soloed all content in this game outside of the things teammates are required to start (incarnate trials, MSR, Hami, etc.) with my Ice Blast/Cold Domination/Ice Mastery Corruptor. I have every souvenir, collected nearly ever badge (outside incarnate content and Master of stuff), and played the same character for over five years now. This anecdotal evidence implies any other Archetype and powerset combination could also do so under the same constraints.

 

hmmm   Corruptors are (each and every one) an S class toon.

 

boilerplate: 

In gaming, "S Class" typically refers to the highest ranking or tier, often signifying "Super" or "Special," meaning it represents the absolute best performance or character within a game, usually seen in tier lists where "S" is considered superior to all other classifications like A, B, C, etc. 

 

Ice is popularly considered in the top tier (yes, S again) of blast sets for ST damage.  Cold Domination is one of the very finest debuff sets in the game.  

 

While i laud your enthusiasm (and dedication) your conclusions are not borne out by the facts (that you have presented)  now, there are a lot of people on weird powerset Defenders who solo incredible stuff.  but your  conclusion "This anecdotal evidence implies any other Archetype and powerset combination could also do so under the same constraints." is not justified.  just because you can take an S class archetype with an incredible blast set and phenomenal debuff set and do all this does not mean young bobby can jump on a Grav/empath Controller and have the same success.  Although if we could talk Diantane to try it there would be years of great posts generated.  Maybe we can get Yomo to float him the infamy to build it if he will just agree to run it in this epic grandest of tilting at windmills!

[Zect]

22 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

There have been tests run and Rad did not in fact win out. Once debuffs hit, and they will, Rad is no match for Shield or SR.

 

I'm very interested in your test and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Please state your methodology, I'm excited to go and replicate some results.

[Without_Pause]

33 minutes ago, Zect said:

 

I'm very interested in your test and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Please state your methodology, I'm excited to go and replicate some results.

You're more than welcome to do the test yourself and show how Rad outdoes any other armor. 

 

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Dahlia – RadA/Kat Tank Rating +4x6:  This is my primary ‘tank built’ tank.  She gathers, pulls, and holds aggro better than any other build.   In 801.5 and down she balances out very well vs defense-based armors.   However in 801.7 and up, the -300 defense and lack of DDR destroys her.  She can still manage smaller groups on pure resist and healing, but it is a major stress, and as soon as the debuffers start piling up, she goes down very fast.  Resist alone is not enough, and the lack of DDR means any defense she has WILL eventually be stripped and she’ll be -50 defense in a blink, and then dead shortly thereafter.