trolling Make Hamidon immune to being made intangible

[Laucianna]

I've been running Hamidon raids for close to 2 years now, and although this community is great most of the time, recently there has been a player with a grudge against me wanting to ruin that for the entire league, and they can with a single toon out of the league on hidden with a single power (Something like Dimension shift) which causes the whole raid to fail and if we want to regroup to try again, they do it again.

This isn't a fluke as the first time they tried they did it early and we still managed to kill Hami, however the second time after they did it half way causing the league to wipe, and again today they did it half way and it failed.

A GM witnessed it happen twice the first time but the person still comes back hence why I am making this suggestion.

I am sure some people might say "Why waste dev time for 1 troll" and it's two simple facts, ANYONE can make a toon to do this and it's no cheese, it's clicking a button. The second is the simple fact this game is kept alive by the community and those within the community who run events, if every Hami I try to run fails because 1 toon presses a button then I'm not going to keep running them and waste mine and everyone else's time.

[Wispur]

48 people's fun being ruined by one jerk is something that really does need to be changed.

 

I honestly think this needs to be moved to the top of the priority list.

Hami needs to be unable to be affected by intangible, because it's only a griefing tool in these raids and is ruining an iconic part of the game.

[Die in the Disco]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. That one uninvited person can grief a 48 person raid is intensely frustrating. This has been an ongoing problem with Hamidon recently, and I've seen it happen with U'Kon in the MSRs as well. That a single person can deny 48 others the means to enjoy the game and earn the rewards that allow them to kit out their characters is unacceptable. I believe in the decisions that the devs make regarding these things, and the instanced MSR runs is an -amazing- start. Making Hamidon and other raid bosses immune to phasing/shifting would be an incredible second step, and would ensure that nobody but the raid participating can dictate the success or failure of a raid attempt.

Thank you to any dev looking on, we appreciate your attention in this!

-Die in the Disco

Edited Wednesday at 11:00 PM by Die in the Disco

[twozerofoxtrot]

+1 this should be done immediately. 

 

 

Honestly I wonder if I'm alone in thinking that all GMs/AVs and such were immune to Intangible/OAS powers. 

 

Seems like they'd be a really easy way to lock out multiple AV fights or lock up an AV when clearing adds in HM TFs.

 

Maybe this is already the strat and I just never see it 🤔  😆 

[DeathMcKillenstein]

Absolutely agree.  Most people look forward to Hami not just for the loot but for the gathering.  No reason why one jackass with nothing better to do should have the ability to ruin it ad nauseum.

Edited Wednesday at 11:40 PM by DeathMcKillenstein

[Lunar Ronin]

It's really high past time that Homecoming got an instanced Hamidon raid, which would also solve this issue, (among others).

[arcane]

Sounds like a good idea.

[shortguy on indom]

• SAD THAT THIS COMES UP OVER THERE OFTEN.
• THAT AND SOME OTHER POWERS WHICH ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HAMSTER HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME SINCE AT LEAST BEFORE SHUTDOWN.
• COULD IT BE SOMETHING LESS NEFARIOUS SUCH AS THE INDIVIDUAL(S) DO/DOES NOT KNOW THAT THE PARTICULAR POWER IS NOT HELPING?

[shortguy on indom]

• IF I AM REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, ANY AOE IS WORTHLESS AND A WASTE OF ENDURANCE AGAINST HAMBONE.  (MAYBE SOMETHING HAS CHANGED SINCE I WAS DOING IT).

[biostem]

8 minutes ago, shortguy on indom said:

COULD IT BE SOMETHING LESS NEFARIOUS SUCH AS THE INDIVIDUAL(S) DO/DOES NOT KNOW THAT THE PARTICULAR POWER IS NOT HELPING?

I would hope that by level 45, a player should know that phasing powers are situational at best, and harmful at worst...

[TheMoncrief]

Agreed. Having raids ruined by what is almost certainly malicious griefing just sucks.

[OEM61]

Absolutely.

And I would support them at least considering giving the offending player a week off to think about their life choices.

[kelika2]

that.. wont help against phasing out the players part

if hami is immune that means the players can still get phased

 

as someone who kicks people on sight who use dimension shift i vote to completely get rid of the power

[Die in the Disco]

1 hour ago, kelika2 said:

that.. wont help against phasing out the players part

if hami is immune that means the players can still get phased

 

as someone who kicks people on sight who use dimension shift i vote to completely get rid of the power

If that's the case, what about a setting for Null that allows players to opt in/out of phasing abilities? With certain enemies made immune and players able to opt out, it would solve the problem with a minimum of powerset fiddling, if that helps to save time and effort on the devs and the code.

Edited 21 hours ago by Die in the Disco

[Ghost]

Ummm, isn’t that griefing?

 

Once can be blamed on ignorance.  More than that is intentional.

Why hasn’t the player been dealt with?

[mistagoat]

OP has my full support!

Also, make Hami instanced! For fucks sake this is exactly why it needs to happen!

Allowing 1 worthless fucking loser to waste everyone's time is unacceptable!

[tidge]

This seems like a reasonable ask. As would an instanced Hamidon raid.

 

This scenario also feels adjacent to the whole "hidden player" status. I know that there are some players who legit simply don't want to have anyone know they are in the game. OTOH, there are also some players who leverage hidden status to skirt policies: griefing and multi-boxing (at certain times) are two that come to mind.

[Laucianna]

4 hours ago, kelika2 said:

that.. wont help against phasing out the players part

if hami is immune that means the players can still get phased

 

as someone who kicks people on sight who use dimension shift i vote to completely get rid of the power

But the league leader would be able to remove that player from the league allowing the league to be able to retry against Hamidon since the troll would not be able to phase them all, currently the troll does not have to be on the league to phase Hami out of being able to being hurt 💛

[Arcanum]

Hi everyone!👋

I'm working with the developers to sort out possible solutions to this, however, it will take some time.

In the meantime, please be sure to report any player intentionally griefing directly to a GM so we can handle it appropriately. Keep in mind we do not share disciplinary actions taken with other players. 👍

 

51 minutes ago, tidge said:

This scenario also feels adjacent to the whole "hidden player" status. I know that there are some players who legit simply don't want to have anyone know they are in the game. OTOH, there are also some players who leverage hidden status to skirt policies: griefing and multi-boxing (at certain times) are two that come to mind.

A hidden status does not impact the GM team's ability to view or investigate players. So they are unable to skirt policies due to this. Feel free to report any player suspected of violating our multi-boxing policies and/or griefing, and we will review. 

[tidge]

Thanks for the reply. I am aware that GMs can 'see' hidden players, and while I personally don't want to go around 'narc'-ing(*1), it can be very difficult (for a non-GM) to see the names of players in the open-world when players are hidden (from other players). I'm not particularly sensitive to griefing(*2), but I recognize there is a spectrum of behavior and acceptance.

 

(*1) I have a short list of players who I often (but not always!) see skirting the multi-box rule... but those name are only in my notes because the player wasn't particularly creative about the account names *and* I happened to stroll across them frequently enough that I could "catch" the names with a mouse-click.

 

(*2) for example, I've seen some teammates have a meltdown on something like triggering a spawn... it isn't my call to say if such a thing is griefing or not as beyond whatever circumstances there may be it is impossible to know the feels of all players.

[shortguy on indom]

• I can't stand it I know you planned it
  But I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate...
•  

[Excraft]

100% support instanced Hamidon raids.  Also fully support the offending player(s) doing this to have their accounts banned permanently.  No excuse for this kind of behavior.

 

6 hours ago, kelika2 said:

as someone who kicks people on sight who use dimension shift i vote to completely get rid of the power

 

All of these powers that are used to grief others should be addressed in my opinion.  Removal from the game would be preferable, but that's just my take.  I'm sure others will disagree and that's perfectly fine.

[Oklahoman]

I've had 2 of my Hami raids ruined in a similar fashion. Maybe they were just trial running it on my raid before doing it on yours.

 

Hopefully, we'll get that fixed, or at the very least get the instanced Hami that someone is supposedly working on. In the meantime, just a reminder that anyone in the zone can probably adapt the demorecord option mentioned in my signature that I use for LAM badge runs to catch the culprit(s). I'll be using it myself going forward.

[arcane]

Is it possible to simply disable the problematic powers in the Hive / Abyss? I mean, select travel powers are disabled in the final stage of the 4 star Lady Grey.

[ZamuelNow]

53 minutes ago, Oklahoman said:

In the meantime, just a reminder that anyone in the zone can probably adapt the demorecord option mentioned in my signature that I use for LAM badge runs to catch the culprit(s). I'll be using it myself going forward.

 

Similarly, wouldn't someone who records their chat logs also be able to record the combat log?