Eliminate White Salvage

tidge · 2025-07-21T23:12:46Z

15 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I'm still trying to process the 'everyone disagrees with me but I know everyone agrees with just in secret' comment....

It's an Idea Police thing.

JasperStone · 2025-07-21T23:22:24Z

6 minutes ago, tidge said:

It's an Idea Police thing.

It's the Coppers!!!!

shortguy on indom · 2025-07-21T23:52:03Z

MATHEMATIC PROOF...
I EARNED IT, NOONE IS GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!
USUALLY STACK AND HODL A 1000 OR SO IN MY 'VAULT.'
HOW DARE YOU!

lemming · 2025-07-22T00:09:34Z

It also makes it faster going for the AH badges for selling

Forager · 2025-07-22T00:31:56Z

It is mindless busy work. Some people enjoy that, though.

In a newer game, I don't think anyone would be defending this system. It's clearly a fake salvage and crafting system. You're not looking for flowers in their native region or hunting a certain part from a specific clockwork... it is definitely fugazi.

Think about the glowies we use for "clues" and mechanics in the heist part of the Summer Blockbuster event.

You might be surprised at what other people think is fun. A lot of players like sorting their salvage and pretending it really is salvage. What would you replace that with.

Edited 19 hours ago by Forager

Luminara · 2025-07-22T00:33:15Z

11 minutes ago, Boas said:

White salvage is not an alternative (or complimentary) currency. It is effectively just a different denomination of inf.

A currency is anything exchanged for goods or services and within a common framework of agreed value. In ancient Egypt, grain was a currency. During the 19th century, company scrip was a currency. In a post-apocalyptic world, bottlecaps could be a currency. Whatever people agree to trade for goods or services and has an agreed-upon basic value, that's a currency. Not just shiny bits of metal or green pieces of paper, anything which two or more people agree to have a set value and agree to trade for goods or services.

Salvage is a currency in Co*. We spend it to acquire specific things in the game. IOs. Buffs. Cosmetic pets. This currency exists alongside other currencies. Inf*. Reward Merits. Aethers. We have several currencies in the game. They're not all labeled as currencies, but they are currencies. That's their function.

11 minutes ago, Boas said:

Suggesting the HC economy would collapse

I didn't say the economy would collapse. Read the post.

11 minutes ago, Boas said:

if white salvage was eliminated is like saying the US economy would collapse if $2 bills were taken out of circulation.

Your analogy betrays your ignorance. $2 notes are a different denomination of the existing currency in the United States, the dollar standard, not a different currency. Salvage is not a different denomination of inf*, it's a different currency. That's why the value of salvage on the market fluctuates, whereas 1 inf* is always 1 inf*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics

Don't make me get the crayons.

Yomo Kimyata · 2025-07-22T00:46:54Z

3 hours ago, Boas said:

Maybe it's not clear how effectively worthless white salvage really is. If I had 180 slots of my auction house inventory devoted to white salvage, with 10x pieces in each slot, and could actually sell every piece of it for 1k, that would total 1.8 million inf. Repeat that entire process TEN MORE TIMES, and you MIGHT have enough to nab a SINGLE Apocalypse IO off the AH. GOOD LUCK!

Hmm, how about requiring a payment of white salvage before any contact gives you a mission? "I'm glad you want to help me save Steel Canyon, but I'm going to need, oh, 80 inanimate carbon rods before we can go any further on this."

Psyonico · 2025-07-22T01:28:28Z

40 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

Hmm, how about requiring a payment of white salvage before any contact gives you a mission? "I'm glad you want to help me save Steel Canyon, but I'm going to need, oh, 80 inanimate carbon rods before we can go any further on this."

Why do we have inanimate carbon rods but not animate carbon rods?

Boas · 2025-07-22T02:23:53Z

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

I'm still trying to process the 'everyone disagrees with me but I know everyone agrees with just in secret' comment....

Easy, just think of how people are with you, but the opposite.

I want everyone here to do something wild. Boot up the game. Yeah, yeah, a lot of you just play the forums these days, but this is an exercise. Find a build you like. It doesn't have to be an expensive one. Start putting together the sets you need for it. Pay attention to how often you zone and /ah for more of this junk. Every time an old bone, or a broken watch, or anything else with a white name passes through your hands... imagine it DIDN'T. Imagine it didn't HAVE to.

The economic argument may be a valid one, but remember, I'm not saying ALL salvage should be eliminated. White salvage represents a tiny fraction of transactional volume on the marketplace. If anything is going to stabilize or destabilize the economy, it's going to be IOs, IO recipes, rare salvage, and those special enhancements that somehow sell for 300+mil. The fluctuations alone in the prices of these items represent values you'd need hundreds or thousands of white salvage pieces to match. Compared to these, and with inventory limitations, white salvage is effectively valueless.

Now, as an aside, I will admit it is sometimes fun to be able to link a piece of salvage in chat. And the icons, they're pretty neat. Some artist at Cryptic back in the day probably had fun making those. So, the artwork should stay in the game, in some form. Maybe as icons for souvenirs. Hey, why don't souvenirs have icons? They're all just little question mark blocks. That's boring!

If you read this much, thanks. You're welcome. If you're still trying to convince yourself that you're not convinced, and assuming you still play the game at all, I have a surprise for you: whenever you see a piece of white salvage, you'll think of this thread, and how you sneered at it. You'll wonder if I'm right. Eventually, you'll admit I am. Eliminate white salvage!

Boas · 2025-07-22T02:30:16Z

2 hours ago, Luminara said:

I didn't say the economy would collapse. Read the post.

Oh, so the economy wouldn't collapse if white salvage was eliminated? Thank you for agreeing with me.

(edit) You're calling salvage a currency. Can I trade it for anything but inf? Then it may as well just be inf. You're playing with a definition of currency that has no correlation in the real world.

We can assume you've read the Wikipedia page for "economy" longer than I have. That is a concession I will make. So, let's just get back to the main point. What horror lays in wait for us when common salvage is eliminated from the game? Bread lines? People selling off their malnourished alts? What's the worst that can happen?

Edited 16 hours ago by Boas

skoryy · 2025-07-22T02:55:32Z

5 hours ago, Boas said:

Well, it looks like no one can make any suggestions, because any suggestion that gets implemented would force other players to adhere to a different playstyle. Pack it up, fellas! Just go ahead and delete this whole board!

You have absolutely no valid argument for how white salvage contributes to a positive game experience. That's because it doesn't. If white salvage was eliminated from the game entirely, your experience effectively would not change. You'd have to click on menus a bit less. You might make a pittance less inf. That's it.

Oh, I see you're just trolling. Alright then.

/e shoves Boss into the Ignore-O-Matic and then dusts hands off like Roger Mosley

Okay, anyone for pizza?

Boas · 2025-07-22T02:58:55Z

2 minutes ago, skoryy said:

Oh, I see you're just trolling. Alright then.

/e shoves Boss into the Ignore-O-Matic and then dusts hands off like Roger Mosley

Okay, anyone for pizza?

Just to make sure you did it right, my name is Boas, not Boss. Please correct your ignore list entry, thank you.

lemming · 2025-07-22T03:19:57Z

55 minutes ago, Boas said:

Start putting together the sets you need for it. Pay attention to how often you zone and /ah for more of this junk.

Usually once to zone, but I tend to be organized. And rarely /ah

UltraAlt · 2025-07-22T04:48:41Z

8 hours ago, Boas said:

What will we lose?

DEV time to other things for the game.

I would rather them do other things than use up time reconfiguring all the invention recipes. All of the non-set IO recipes use white salvage. Pretty much all but the level 50 only set IOs use white salvage as well.

8 hours ago, Boas said:

Sometimes, creating a work of art requires the commitment to throwing part of it away if it doesn't work.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The system works the way that it is. Why intentionally break it so it must be rebuilt?

UltraAlt · 2025-07-22T04:50:57Z

7 hours ago, Boas said:

Yeah, that was the point. Even when white salvage is grossly over-valued, it's still not worth enough to bother with it.

Just get rid of it!

Sounds like you are already getting rid of it and solving your own problem.