Something i wish we could do with Primary or Secondary sets

[13th Stranger]

I wish there was some kind of ingate way to allow us to change our characters primary or secondary set choice once during the life of our character. Something like a respect task force. You could only do it once per character and would have to choose to use it on either Primary or Secondary, and of course the choice would have to be from the same AT you character is.  I made a character, put a lot of work into it to get to 50, and decided the secondary power really didn't work the way I had hoped it would in the end game. I really don't feel like having to remake the same character again with the different secondary and do 50 levels just to get it back to where it is now.

[PaxArcana]

Reroll a new character.

 

If your old one is "SuperBob", name the new one "SuperBob II".  Rewrite the bio to be a "reboot version" - like actual comics do all the time.

 

With DFB and DIB, you can shoot to 30 in only a couple hours of playtime.  Then RWZ to get to 50.  Couple days, max.

[13th Stranger]

Reroll a new character.

 

If your old one is "SuperBob", name the new one "SuperBob II".  Rewrite the bio to be a "reboot version" - like actual comics do all the time.

 

With DFB and DIB, you can shoot to 30 in only a couple hours of playtime.  Then RWZ to get to 50.  Couple days, max.

 

That is all well and good, but it doesn't replace all the items a person might have bought at P2W for that character, for a casual player getting the influence the first time was challenging enough, and the various badges from missions, and a ton of other things. Having your powers change is just as common in the Comics as well, so why not put a way to do it in the game?

 

[Vanden]

Ah, here it is. The old "super respec but only once per character" suggestion. I was wondering when we'd start seeing these threads again.

[13th Stranger]

Ah, here it is. The old "super respec but only once per character" suggestion. I was wondering when we'd start seeing these threads again.

 

I am surprised it was never done in the original game, especially with how money hungry they were at the end, could have made a fortune if they offered it!

 

[Rylas]

That is all well and good, but it doesn't replace all the items a person might have bought at P2W for that character, for a casual player getting the influence the first time was challenging enough, and the various badges from missions, and a ton of other things. Having your powers change is just as common in the Comics as well, so why not put a way to do it in the game?

 

I can understand the limits of having less game time to earn up extra inf. But even casual gaming can still make great influence. Check the guides section, there's plenty of ways to earn up inf fast while leveling.

 

Since you want to "respec" into new a new powerset, then you can basically roll a new character and strip the old one of all the items and inf they have. This will already be a boost to your new toon. As you level, I would suggest running DFBs to level 15. Then start running TFs. Posi 1&2 should put you at the minimum level for Synapse, escpecially if you're using any XP boosts. You can do all the Task Force Commander TFs in a row pretty much. Run radios or arcs to fill in level gaps if you have to. Take all those merits you've earned and maximize them for profit. It really isn't that hard.

 

But before you do any of that, maybe roll that toon up on the test server and make sure you'll be happy with what you want to switch to.

[GritIron]

Maybe a reroll of the character that sets you back to lvl 1 but you get to keep all your *bought*powers, IO's, etc...    Rebooting your character so to speak. 

[Vanden]

Ah, here it is. The old "super respec but only once per character" suggestion. I was wondering when we'd start seeing these threads again.

 

I am surprised it was never done in the original game, especially with how money hungry they were at the end, could have made a fortune if they offered it!

 

I'm not surprised it wasn't done, because it's a bad idea.

[PaxArcana]

That is all well and good, but it doesn't replace all the items a person might have bought at P2W for that character, for a casual player getting the influence the first time was challenging enough, and the various badges from missions, and a ton of other things.

 

... you have a level 50 character.  You could be ROLLING in influence, millions of it (maybe TENS of millions), with just one afternoon spent on that character.

 

Which you can then send to your new alt, via in-game mail.

 

Having your powers change is just as common in the Comics as well, so why not put a way to do it in the game?

Game Balance.

 

...

 

And seriously, I've got to say: if by level 30 you haven't figured out whether or not your secondary works for you ... then you've done something grievously wrong.  Maybe less PLing/Farming, and more actually playing the game, next time?

 

I am surprised it was never done in the original game, especially with how money hungry they were at the end, could have made a fortune if they offered it!

They made more money by NOT allowing it.

 

The game was a Susbcription MMO - you paid monthly, to be able to play.  The longer they kept you playing, the more money you kept paying.  And there weren't any leveling shortcuts for a loooooong time - no AE, no DFB/DIB.  Just playing, running missions, advancing from Zone to Zone.

 

A shortcut like you describe, would halve the subscription fees they could expect to collect from you.

[Steampunkette]

Ah, here it is. The old "super respec but only once per character" suggestion. I was wondering when we'd start seeing these threads again.

 

I am surprised it was never done in the original game, especially with how money hungry they were at the end, could have made a fortune if they offered it!

 

I'm not surprised it wasn't done, because it's a bad idea.

 

It isn't a BAD idea... but it is impossible using the game's current system! To implement such a function would require the game to grant you a couple extra power sets (which it can do) and then shift the autoselect "first tier" secondary to a new powerset (which it can't do) and then make the replaced powerset invisible and unselectable (arguably it could, but the miles of code you'd have to go through are monstrous) all while increasing your character's datafile size.

 

It's just not worthwhile.

 

It was never done on Live because the cost investment was too dammed high compared to the small number of players who would use it.

 

Alts, on the other hand were worthwhile!  You played the game more and spend more time doing stuff while the monthly subscription date creeped closer and then the devs got paid for your interest.

[Vanden]

Ah, here it is. The old "super respec but only once per character" suggestion. I was wondering when we'd start seeing these threads again.

 

I am surprised it was never done in the original game, especially with how money hungry they were at the end, could have made a fortune if they offered it!

 

I'm not surprised it wasn't done, because it's a bad idea.

 

It isn't a BAD idea...

 

It is a bad idea, at least the once per character aspect. Changing primary/secondary sets would open up its own can of worms, but the people who make the threads suggesting it almost always include the proviso that it can only be done once, as if that improves the suggestion, when it actually makes it much, much worse. People would use their one change, switch to something they also end up not liking, and end up in exactly the same situation.

[PaxArcana]

I'm not surprised it wasn't done, because it's a bad idea.

 

It isn't a BAD idea...

You're right; it's a HORRIBLE idea.

 

It was never done on Live because [...]

.... the devs had more sense than to even attempt it.  :)

[13th Stranger]

 

 

It is a bad idea, at least the once per character aspect. Changing primary/secondary sets would open up its own can of worms, but the people who make the threads suggesting it almost always include the proviso that it can only be done once, as if that improves the suggestion, when it actually makes it much, much worse. People would use their one change, switch to something they also end up not liking, and end up in exactly the same situation.

 

Ok then, just let it be something we can do, I know the GM have a way of doing it for people because it has been done on other servers, so there should be a way to rig up a way to let us do it.  This isn't the days of "Live", when they wanted people to keep making alts to have to keep them playing, we play because we want to.  I think people would enjoy being able to try out different AT power combos in the End Game Environment without having to constantly make and level new alts. This is our world now, we should have the freedom to do more things in it, If you don't want to do it and prefer making 70 alts then play that way, If you want to switch your power sets at some point along your leveling route then do it. Heck I have even been told at one point after the secret server was born they even went to a Freeform System with NO AT limitation (that's how the most basic root aspect of the Sentinel was created), make a server that is set up like that and let us give it a try. This is not some retail MMO, we are no longer confined to how NCSoft thinks something should be done, lets us be wild and free and see where it takes us!

 

[Vanden]

These aren’t “devs are asleep, we can do what we want” servers. If you want to go crazy, spin up your own server. If you want to try a new character at 50, you can play on Justin.

[Super Homer]

This was actually in the plans, according to some post-shut-down interviews. There was going to be some ultimate trial involving the battalion that would end in a "primary/secondary" respect reward. Like the trial based respecs, I'm sure it would had been, at least initially, to once per character per trial that rewarded it (so... once.)

 

I don't think they ever implemented the code needed for this to be possible at all, though.

[Steampunkette]

This was actually in the plans, according to some post-shut-down interviews. There was going to be some ultimate trial involving the battalion that would end in a "primary/secondary" respect reward. Like the trial based respecs, I'm sure it would had been, at least initially, to once per character per trial that rewarded it (so... once.)

 

I don't think they ever implemented the code needed for this to be possible at all, though.

 

This is why I say it wasn't a bad idea on it's face. It has merits. But the cost was too damned high in terms of time and manhours. Ultimately it was back burner ed forever.

[Burnt Toast]

Nope. If it takes you 50 levels to realize you do not like the character works - that's on you. There will not be an easy "I WIN" button to change primary or secondaries... has already been stated by HC that such things will not be a part of the server.

 

Influence and experience are super easy to earn on HC... the game is already easy enough without anything remotely like what you suggest.

 

 

I wish there was some kind of ingate way to allow us to change our characters primary or secondary set choice once during the life of our character. Something like a respect task force. You could only do it once per character and would have to choose to use it on either Primary or Secondary, and of course the choice would have to be from the same AT you character is.  I made a character, put a lot of work into it to get to 50, and decided the secondary power really didn't work the way I had hoped it would in the end game. I really don't feel like having to remake the same character again with the different secondary and do 50 levels just to get it back to where it is now.