Time is on my side! A MM /Time guide for all primaries. Now with updates!

Plummtw · September 3, 2019

Time might be good, but the sound of Time, I don' know why, but I don't like the sound of Time....

if I can choose to silence it I might want to try Time.

Warlawk · September 3, 2019

6 minutes ago, Plummtw said:

Time might be good, but the sound of Time, I don' know why, but I don't like the sound of Time....

if I can choose to silence it I might want to try Time.

You can, it just takes a small investment of effort to do so.

I feel that way about the sound for the entire game so I play with it off unless I'm having an issue finding a clickie so this concern was never even on my radar lol.

Oubliette_Red · September 3, 2019

Funny, Time Manip has got to be one of my favourite powersets with regards to sound.

Riverdusk · September 4, 2019

Always liked time's sounds okay as well, but I can understand. For me it is beam rifle, ice melee, and some others. I know there is the work around, but would be nice to have an option for minimal sound fx right on the power, like we have minimal fx for graphics for a lot of them.

Darkestwind · September 25, 2019

Question: Why not taking the Temporal Selection power? Doesn't it work on your pets? I would think some perma extra (18.75%) damage on the T3 pet would be nice.

Force Redux · September 25, 2019

Thanks for this. I've almost finished up my Thugs/Time and really enjoyed the tankyness and damage. Not as versatile in it's toolset as my Necro/Dark, but a good all-rounder. Bruiser with Fury + Temporal Selection = Brute Lite (tm). Sometimes I'll toss it on the Arsonist if he's not particularly suicidal it is super buffed on a team and has extra longevity.

Warlawk · September 25, 2019

6 hours ago, Darkestwind said:

Question: Why not taking the Temporal Selection power? Doesn't it work on your pets? I would think some perma extra (18.75%) damage on the T3 pet would be nice.

Personal preference. I almost exclusively solo my masterminds and while that little damage bonus is nice it's not worth a power pick to me in most cases. I find I get much more mileage out of Distortion field, time stop or whatever. There are some builds where you could easily swap out the travel power or the attack power or something like that and pick it up without having any serious impact on the build, mostly just a matter of tailoring things to your own preferences.

Pharce · October 16, 2019

I have my thugs/time to lvl 29. It has been a blast to play. Your guide has really helped me to slot my pets. I really wasn’t sure how to do it.

Tankshock · November 2, 2019

Thanks for doing this. Why slot Expedient Reinforcements with recharge in the Dire Wolf?

Warlawk · November 5, 2019

On 11/2/2019 at 6:41 AM, Tankshock said:

Thanks for doing this. Why slot Expedient Reinforcements with recharge in the Dire Wolf?

Since the build is using a personal attack I figured I might get a little mileage out of the damage set bonus (+3% of no damage is still no damage 😛 ) and it was more for slotting the A/D and E/D than the rech on the enhancements themselves. Really as long as you have the Expedient pet aura in there you can drop in any two enhancements of your choice that provide A/D and E/D

Force Redux · December 24, 2019

On 9/25/2019 at 8:07 AM, Force Redux said:

Thanks for this. I've almost finished up my Thugs/Time and really enjoyed the tankyness and damage. Not as versatile in it's toolset as my Necro/Dark, but a good all-rounder. Bruiser with Fury + Temporal Selection = Brute Lite (tm). Sometimes I'll toss it on the Arsonist if he's not particularly suicidal it is super buffed on a team and has extra longevity.

Finished up and fully incarnated my Time/Thugs last month. They did not disappoint. Time is really an awesome all around set that offers masterminds everything they need: heals, defense, buffs, be debuffs, controls...

I'm now working on a Beasts/Time. Currently at level 39 and performing very well. Good single target damage, surprisingly tough with pet IOs, thankfully. The pets have solid native defense to stack onto everything. I don't use fortify for defense, I leave it running for the crits.

fbunn · January 2, 2020

Thanks for all the GREAT info in this thread.

Another thread discussed Thugs/Time in detail.

This character is my attempt to combine advice from both threads.

It's a Thugs/Time MM that focuses on recharge/defense/accuracy.

Major components used were:

'Positron's blast' for recharge/accuracy

'Blood Mandate' for excellent defense buffs (inexpensive to boot)

'Scorpion shield' for a massive boost to smashing/lethal defense

(must change alignment using Null The Gull in Pocket D, then do the Black Scorpion arc until defeating Dr. 'Q')

Farsight with Scorpion Shield provides incredible defense.

Haste + Chrono shift is (for all practical purposes) perma, allowing me to keep farsight and chrono shift running continuously.

I recently ran a mission with an empathy defender and we sailed through several missions without getting hit even once.

Our defense was consistenly in the 80% range to smashing/lethal and in the 40% range for AOE/Melee/Ranged.

The toon has just hit level 46, so Tactics and combat jumping haven't been added yet.

Performance is great without those powers already.

Tactics will help with team accuracy and defense (huge defense boost with Gaussian).

Combat jumping will help fill in final defense holes with the also excellent Blessing of the Zephyr.

(Additional 4 points KB protection should bring total KB protection to mag 😎

One final note... "Performahce Shifter in Chrono Shift and Stamina REALLY helps eliminate endurance issues.

Hope this helps some of you!

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Master Lourde: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs

(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
(3) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
(5) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
(7) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

Level 1: Time Crawl

(A) Empty

Level 2: Temporal Mending

(A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
(7) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
(9) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
(9) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
(11) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
(17) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

Level 4: Time's Juncture

(A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff
(11) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge
(13) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
(13) Dark Watcher's Despair - Recharge/Endurance
(15) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance
(15) Dark Watcher's Despair - Chance for Recharge Slow

Level 6: Equip Thugs

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 8: Empty Clips

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(17) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
(19) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
(19) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
(21) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 10: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(21) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Call Enforcer

(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
(23) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
(25) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(25) Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage
(27) Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen

Level 14: Maneuvers

(A) Endurance Reduction IO
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 16: Distortion Field

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Gang War

(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(29) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance
(31) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
(31) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(31) Blood Mandate - Accuracy
(33) Blood Mandate - Damage

Level 20: Time Stop

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 22: Kick

(A) Empty

Level 24: Tough

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(33) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(33) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 26: Call Bruiser

(A) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage
(34) Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance
(34) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(36) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(36) Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura

Level 28: Farsight

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
(37) Luck of the Gambler - Endurance/Recharge
(37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 30: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(39) Endurance Reduction IO
(46) Karma - Knockback Protection

Level 32: Upgrade Equipment

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 35: Slowed Response

(A) Undermined Defenses - Defense Debuff/Endurance
(40) Undermined Defenses - Recharge/Endurance
(40) Undermined Defenses - Recharge
(40) Undermined Defenses - Defense Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
(46) Undermined Defenses - Defense Debuff/Recharge
(46) Undermined Defenses - Defense Debuff

Level 38: Chrono Shift

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(42) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
(42) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
(45) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
(45) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 41: Scorpion Shield

(A) Endurance Reduction IO
(42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 44: Temporal Selection

(A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration

Level 47: Tactics

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 49: Combat Jumping

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 1: Supremacy

Level 2: Rest

Spoiler

Edited January 2, 2020 by fbunn

EyeLuvBooks · March 4, 2020

On 9/25/2019 at 11:44 AM, Warlawk said:

Personal preference. I almost exclusively solo my masterminds and while that little damage bonus is nice it's not worth a power pick to me in most cases. I find I get much more mileage out of Distortion field, time stop or whatever. There are some builds where you could easily swap out the travel power or the attack power or something like that and pick it up without having any serious impact on the build, mostly just a matter of tailoring things to your own preferences.

I have a 50 Bots/Time and I agree with you here. As you stated, I often solo on my MMs because on a full group it gets crowded (unless we're doing an all-MM thing). I find that I forget Selection is there and thus a waste of slots. However I also read the debate regarding KB and the SA proc and I have found that while the first two tiers of pets don't KB that often, they always seemed to do it at the worst moment. Then the bad guy falls, the bots chase him, I don't notice and it turns into a mess. I dropped SA into all three and the Burn patch immediately became my friend. However I also took Bonfire as my Ancillary and the lack of KB helps that too.

Either way, thanks for actually documenting all this work.

NEW DAWN · March 6, 2020

I'd be interested in looking at your Mercs unplayable Time build but I think I can only upload datachunks, the short export, for some reason, is it possible to get it please?

It's okay I have it now.

For me, you're not doing enough damage, damage is minus fight duration, it's a big deal, mowing down mobs.

Okay, all those procs in distortion look good.

Edited March 7, 2020 by NEW DAWN

KingofMonkeys · March 7, 2020

Distortion Field + Burn Patches + Bonfire with KD+Dmg procs is what's for dinner. I call it flipping meat in the frying pan lol. You can throw a slowed response and or fireball in there for a little extra seasoning.

Edited March 7, 2020 by KingofMonkeys

Nether · March 17, 2020

What incarnate should I pick with a Demon/Time?

Force Redux · March 17, 2020

Musculature for more damage. One of the few ways to help help damage 🙂 Always worth it!

Kommon · March 18, 2020

Intuition Radial Paragon is a nice one too. The damage boost is 33% compared to Musculature, but it will also give you enhancement to powers with hold duration, defense debuff, to hit debuff, slow movement, and it will increase range of all powers as well. Basically, every aspect of Intuition Radial Paragon helps Demons/Time.

Papaschtroumpf · May 1, 2020

So is it true that " S/L defense will cover something like 90% of the enemy attacks in the game"? I though there was a lot more energy/psi/fire once you got in the 40s

If an attack has both a lethal and energy component, does defense for S/L protect you from the full attack (both components?)

I just may not have been giving S/L defense as much credit as a I should. My Bots/EA is softcapped for Range and Defense instead, so maybe I'm overdoing it?

Papaschtroumpf · May 1, 2020

why Curtail Speed in time Crawl? To slot it early? the max level is 30, it you use one of the enhancements that scales to 50% you get another 5% acc/end red if you delay slotting it or respec around 30 (wich I usually do)

Papaschtroumpf · May 1, 2020

(in Thugs/Time at least)

Is slowed response worth 4 shieldbreakers? it's not like you're going after positional power anyway right?

so it might be an optional slot to move around (2 if you a willing to give up that little bit of S/L resist from the 3rd shield breaker)

Love what you did, here is my take on it, I wanted to be able to stealth so I worked Superspeed in and I wanted combat jump earlier for better battle l positioning.

You can get another 7.5% percent recharge from basilisks in Time Stop if you give up the damage proc and a little more A/L res. Maybe it's worth it?

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Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7
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Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(A), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(3), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(3), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(5), SlbAll-Build%(5), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(7)
Level 1: Time Crawl -- TmpRdn-Acc/EndRdx(A)
Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(40), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(42), Prv-Heal/Rchg(43), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(43), Prv-Absorb%(43)
Level 4: Time's Juncture -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), PcnoftheT--Rchg%(37), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(46), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(48), DarWtcDsp-Rchg/EndRdx(48), ImpSwf-Dam%(48)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Empty Clips -- SuddAcc--KB/+KD(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(9), ExpStr-Dam%(9), PstBls-Dam%(11), Ann-ResDeb%(11), JvlVll-Dam%(17)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(50), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(13), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), TchofLadG-%Dam(15), AchHee-ResDeb%(15), GssSynFr--Build%(17)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Distortion Field -- NrnSht-Dam%(A), GldNet-Dam%(45), ImpSwf-Dam%(45), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(45), UnbCns-Dam%(46), ImpSwf-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(46)
Level 18: Gang War -- CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(A), EdcoftheM-PetDef(19), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(23)
Level 20: Tactics -- AdjTrg-ToHit(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(23), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(25), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(25), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 22: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 24: Time Stop -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(34), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(40), BslGaz-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(50)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(27), SlbAll-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SlbAll-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), SvrRgh-PetResDam(29), ExpStr-Dam%(31)
Level 28: Farsight -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(31), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(33), Rct-Def/Rchg(33), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Rct-ResDam%(34)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Slowed Response -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), TchofLadG-%Dam(36), ShlBrk-%Dam(36), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(36), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal(40)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42)
Level 44: Power Boost -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(7), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(37)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(42)
Level 1: Punk
Level 1: Arsonist
Level 26: Bruiser
Level 12: Enforcer
------------

Papaschtroumpf · May 1, 2020

On 3/17/2020 at 6:39 PM, Kommon said:

Intuition Radial Paragon is a nice one too. The damage boost is 33% compared to Musculature, but it will also give you enhancement to powers with hold duration, defense debuff, to hit debuff, slow movement, and it will increase range of all powers as well. Basically, every aspect of Intuition Radial Paragon helps Demons/Time.

I like that!

Does Destiny apply to your minions? I'm guessing so. Rebirth +HP, Barrier and Clarion seem all good choices?

Redlynne · May 2, 2020

11 hours ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

Is slowed response worth 4 shieldbreakers?

This is my personal preference for Slowed Response ...

Quote

Level 35: Slowed Response

(A) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (not boosted to 50+5!)

(36) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 27 (not attuned!)

(36) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 27 (not attuned!)

(37) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage: Level 10

(37) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff: Level 10

(37) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage: Level 21

Slowed Response: Shield Breaker (3.5 PPM), Achilles' Heel (3.5 PPM), Touch of Lady Grey (3.5 PPM)

3.5 * ((90 / ( 1 + 59.11 / 100 )) + 2.27) / (60 * (0.25 + 0.75 * (1 + 25 * (11 * 360 + 540) / 30,000))) = 90% (Pre-clamp: 90.02%)

You get 3 guesses as to why (and the first two don't count) ...

Edited May 2, 2020 by Redlynne

Papaschtroumpf · May 2, 2020

I'm too dumb to even understand what that means, but i've learned to trust RedLynnr when it comes to numbers I'm too dumb to understand

I didn't realize that the level of a proc ever mattered in its effectiveness. I have been using solely attuned IOs

.🙂

Edited May 2, 2020 by Papaschtroumpf

Redlynne · May 2, 2020

40 minutes ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

I didn't realize that the level of a proc ever mattered in its effectiveness. I have been using solely attuned IOs

The level of the proc(s themselves) don't matter ... but the total recharge from the not proc slots is extremely important, since that will influence what the chance of those procs to happen will be. In this case the 50+27+27 combo on the first 3 slots gets you within 0.03%(!) recharge enhancement of having "too much" recharge such that the proc chances for the procs falls below 90% ... which I'd call right on the nose.

So the lethal damage, -resistance and negative damage procs can be any level at all, but you do NOT want attuned for the acc/end/rech frankenslotting enhancements in order to make this combo work.

If you absolutely had to attune the Shield Breaker set IOs (for Level 10-30 Exemplar reasons) you'd want to have an unattuned Level 43 Analyze Weakness to go along with the attuned Shield Breakers so as to keep the procs slightly over the 90% cap (which then caps at 90% chance to proc).

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