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Some webnades already have a toxic DoT. And as the pre-developed form of Arachnos Soldier, I'm fine with the Wolf Spider webnade being less than the others. Though I am quite likely in the minority on that. Making non-Wolf Spider webandes all have a toxic DoT component would be great with me. Though I am against adding a fire DoT. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry.

People are always free to disagree. And if they do, they are free to express that disagreement. It carries no more weight than those that agree. Receiving negative feedback is an opening for idea refinement and development. Positive feedback is always good, but it is the negative feedback that helps the idea grow.

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that why Hasten is considered a must have by so many players is because it is needed to make most powers perma?

I feel you. It's so frustrating to open your contacts list and see all those incomplete contacts. And know that even if you use Ouroboros to revisit them and do the rest of their content, they will forever more be stuck at that same incomplete point. It's like... why can't Ouroboros progress their contact level bars?! Edit: Please don't answer the question. It has previously been explained to me. I am simply lamenting the situation.

That is a possibility. One of the best uses for team teleport I saw was a character taking a group of starting characters on a whirlwind tour for all the explore badges. Edit: And probably the saddest example was a team teleporter assuring a bunch of super speedsters not to worry because he could get them anywhere the team needed to go in the Shadow Shard. Just for all the speedsters to pop jet pack temp powers and fly off. I really felt sorry for the player.

Well, it basically works like that. However, I have seen teams being teleported by the team teleporter, and even been on one. As @biostem said though, that only really happens in close groups. Usually a SG of all in person friends that also happen to play together. Edit: So it's not that the devs gave us something useless, it's that the players often prefer to use their own travel powers. Which renders it less than as useful as envisioned.

That or the comic characters that create teleportation fields that allow them to teleport themselves and everyone within a set radius. Edit: I get the feeling that is was assumed that fliers and teleporters would use the team/group versions of their powers to help their non-flying and non-teleporting teammates get around. Characters with super speed and super jump though, never bother to get taken along for the ride. So... a good idea... with no real use.... but that is strictly my opinion.

The starting character arcs are not in Ouroboros. Except for the post-fall of Galaxy City arcs. So if you want to do those, you will need to hit up the contacts while still in their level range. Later arcs are accessible, to the best of my knowledge, just not the starter get-used-to-the-game stuff in City Hall. Yes, the origin-based contacts still send you to the next origin-based contact in the line as they did before the contacts were all opened up to everybody. So if you want to play that way, you still can. With a lot of the random filler missions removed though, you may find yourself running off to other contacts to help keep you going. Or hitting up radio missions for filler. Or alignment/moralities if you're 20+. Either way, have fun. Edit: As for the arc about the origin of origins, you're probably thinking of the Origin of Power arc available around level 15 (available from the respective Midnighter contact) where you talk to a rep of each origin and then fight the CoT in a mission of glowies that includes a reference to the lost divine origin. Either that, or you are thinking of the... is it in Cimerora? ... later arc that revisits the same idea.

My apologies for being less than clear. My last two posts were just in response to @UltraAlt. Apologies for the impression I was arguing against your thread.

Like I said, I saw none. Even with your quotes, I still see none. I do not read those posts as being mocking. Not even a little bit. Did I not already address this part? The whole your post reads very much like the OP so of course that is how it is going to be taken? And then followed up by just quoting your post and highlighting where you said the same thing as the OP? I sincerely believe you are simply trolling me. And I am tired of repeating myself, even posting your own quote by itself with the referenced part highlighted to remind you of what you said. Even when shown your own comment with no other posters comments attached, you still deny saying posting what you said. Then you turn around and take: as derision rather than the obvious point it is. You argued that you want other people to have to dip into a power pool to get what they already have so that you won't have to dip into a power pool to get what you want and do not currently have access to outside of the power pool. That is the point @Luminara was making. That is not derision. That is highlighting your hypocrisy. This is a statement of fact as portrayed in this thread. By you and the OP. That is still not derision. Your insistence that anything not in agreement with you is derision is infuriating. I am done with this thread. I will never respond to this thread again. I am tired of you claiming two contrary positions as one and then warping what is in this thread to justify your position. You do not argue in good faith. I can't even fathom this.

Original Post. Edit: So the post that starts the thread.

Oh god! Yes! If only for the sheer hilarity as shown in the OP! Do it! Let the panic ensue! 😄

Not seeing the relevance. As the definition states, it is contemptuous ridicule or mockery. Not disagreement. No one made any attempts to ridicule or mock anything in this thread. Feel free to provide quotes from the thread you hold to be derision. I saw none. To expand on the provided definition: ridicule [ rid-i-kyool ] See synonyms for: ridicule / ridiculed / ridicules / ridiculing on Thesaurus.com noun speech or action intended to cause contemptuous laughter at a person or thing; derision. verb (used with object), rid·i·culed, rid·i·cul·ing. to deride; make fun of. mockery [ mok-uh-ree ] See synonyms for mockery on Thesaurus.com noun, plural mock·er·ies. ridicule, contempt, or derision. a derisive, imitative action or speech. a subject or occasion of derision. an imitation, especially of a ridiculous or unsatisfactory kind. a mocking pretense; travesty: a mockery of justice. something absurdly or offensively inadequate or unfitting. No one made fun of anyone in this thread. Quoting people to highlight their own words as reminder of commentary or to illustrate a point is not imitative action or speech. There was no contempt. There was emphatic disagreement with the thread. There was equally emphatic defense of the thread. There was no derision. Edit: If this response is what you were trying to convey with your provided definition, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

I object! I dispute this claim! (Only because someone issued a challenge. I have no proof to dispute this claim. I agree they could definitely use a make over. Challenge was issued and I just had to bite though. Sorry. 😛)

I suppose that would depend on what you mean by needed. Could I get some clarification here? Would be appreciated.

If you get the book icon, you can outlevel the contact, but you retain access to that arc and can complete it whenever you like.

No, they don't. Make a new toon. Enter City Hall. Enter any of the origin offices regardless of your origin. Talk to the contacts. They give you their missions. I make it a point of doing every origin contact at the starting levels with every character I make blue side. (Edit: Then the Habashi arcs.) The later origin contacts? Got introduced to your character without regard to your character's origin even before the origin limitation was removed back on Live. You were just more likely to have them introduced to you if you were that origin because of the contacts you started with.

I don't understand. The origin contacts, which I'm guessing you mean the starter contacts since the later ones don't care what your origin is, can all be completed. (Edit: Actually, none of the contacts care what your origin is any more. So... disregard that part please.) The conflict comes in the tutorial assigning you to the newest contact that starts the Hellions/Arachnos arc. If you try to do those arcs and the origin contacts with xp on, then yeah, they can't be completed before you out-level them. If you skip the tutorial and just walk into City Hall and talk up your origin contacts though, there is no problem with completing them. I am not against being able to dismiss contacts. I am just confused by your declaration that they can't be completed. (If you want to do the Hellions/Arachnos arc and the origin contacts? Then do the origin contacts. You can complete the Hellions/Arachnos arcs in Ouroboros. Or turn off xp, do the origin contacts, then turn on xp and do the Hellions/Arachnos arcs. Whichever you prefer.)

Mass Hypnosis is a sleep? Whoops. Thought it was an AoE confuse. Sorry. Edit: I'm... going to go edit my list of powers now.... Note: When using a post for data, actually re-read all the powers each time to be certain.... Sometimes I'm just a goombah.

Except I don't see it being activated in the middle of combat, but rather maintained as per Shadowfall/Steamy Mist. If it were activated during combat? The enemies would still know there were enemies there and be trying to find them/attacking where they last saw them. Regardless, I'm not sufficiently familiar with controllers/dominators to say more than that. Also, as an aside? The only reason I suggested Mental Army have possibly 4 or 5 phantoms is because it is now listed as a higher tier than Phantom Army and I was trying to differentiate it in a way that explains the higher tier. I'm fine with pretty much any differentiation. Reduced endurance cost. Longer duration. Faster recharge. Flying blue monkeys delivering tea and crumpets to the character. Don't care, just want a differentiation. Also, instead of psychic psychic attacks, I see the Mental Army phantoms being spawned with random attack animations. They should do psychic damage, yes. They are only in the viewers' minds. The attack type animations should be randomly assigned per summon though, from a list of equal animation time attacks. If possible... which probably isn't... but a body can dream.... Edit: Hells, the psychic damage with random animations should be ample differentiation now that I think about it.

Works for me. I'm not even close to an expert when it comes to controllers/dominators. Don't enjoy playing either. Edit: Except for the placate effect. Nothing to see is already set up to grant invisibility rather than stealth as long as players stay within the power's radius. And then the def bonus if they attack/engage in combat. Placate feels a little over the top to me.

My idea, just for contrast. Mind Control (New, not to replace exisitng): Tier 1: Mesmerize: As per Mesmerize. Tier 2: Dominate: As per Dominate. Tier 3: Confuse: As per Confuse. Tier 4: Cloud Senses: To Hit/Accuracy Debuff. (AoE? ST?) Click. Tier 5: Mass Confuse: As per Mass Hypnosis. Edit: As per... yeah... Mass Confusion.... *face palm* Tier 6: Nothing To See: PBAoE invisibility. Toggle. (Because in comics they like to make the baddies not see them passing by.) Tier 7: Mass Control: AoE Hold. Click Tier 8: Mental Army: As per Phantom Army more or less. Though probably with 4 or 5 phantoms. Click. Tier 9: Enthrall: Target lieutenant or lower becomes player's combat pet. Teleports to player if maximal distance is exceeded as per MM. Toggle. Telekinesis/Psychokinesis: I rather like your version more than mine.... *hangs head*

Mmmm... making 2 sets is feasible... after all, we have broadsword and katana. Would just have to make sure the psychokinesis/telekinesis is sufficiently different in feel and application. However, if you want to go that route, I recommend three sets then. Set 1: Mentalist: Current Mind Control (with any tweaks). Set 2: Mind Control: Which would need to be fleshed out as a controller/dominator style pet class. Set 3: Telekinesis: Which would need to be fleshed out and differentiated from Gravity. Edit: Reason being is that comics have pure mentalists (the pet mind control idea), psychokineticists, and general mentalists (that have various names) that do a bit of both. Edit again: The mind control (pet version) should probably also include some illusion control ability as well, since that also falls under what pure telepaths inflict on others. Which would also need to be differentiated from Illusion Control in some way. ... This is getting more complicated than anticipated....

Oh yeah, the target would also need to despawn if released to keep people from enthralling a level 54 lieutenant and then releasing it in Mercy Island or Atlas Park. Or the thrall should not be able to zone. Or some other method of containment. Whatever.

Nah. Let it affect lieutenants and lower, and have it as a toggle that costs as much or maybe a little less than a damage aura in endurance. Maybe a little more than? ... Would depend on how effective overall at contributing damage it would be if only applied to lieutenants compared to a damage aura I guess. As for becoming de-toggled if the controller is held, stunned, or otherwise rendered inactive? I'll let wiser heads determine that. I don't really see a need for escalating endurance costs, except possibly as a variable dependent on whether the target was a lieutenant, minion, or underling.