Gravitus Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 This NPC has no chill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLiah Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I don't do his missions... I may be a villain but there are limits. 4 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, DocLiah said: I don't do his missions... I may be a villain but there are limits. Lol for real? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ael Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Gravitus said: Lol for real? I don't run them, either. Ran them once on live and that was more than enough. Nothing will ever convince me to run them again. Ever. Hard pass. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boggo2300 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Clave Dark 5 said: And who says you can't feel like a villain playing red side?! I think the word you are looking for is Henchman... Or patsy sorry couldn't resist Edited September 13, 2019 by boggo2300 Mayhem It's my Oeuvre baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEDarkTyger Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Gravitus said: Lol for real? Yes for real. There are grades of evil. Not every villain has to be a sick and twisted sociopathic monster. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, boggo2300 said: I think the word you are looking for is Henchman... Or patsy sorry couldn't resist Oh, I think quite knowingly poisoning people, whether being directed to do so or not, is quite villainous. "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price," as the old story goes. Tim "Black Scorpion" Sweeney: Matt (Posi) used to say that players would find the shortest path to the rewards even if it was a completely terrible play experience that would push them away from the game... ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boggo2300 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Clave Dark 5 said: Oh, I think quite knowingly poisoning people, whether being directed to do so or not, is quite villainous. "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price," as the old story goes. Still Phipps is the villain, you are just the henchman, it's not so much the evil part that breaks the villainy, but the lack of self direction 😄 Mayhem It's my Oeuvre baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 13, 2019 Author Share Posted September 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said: Oh, I think quite knowingly poisoning people, whether being directed to do so or not, is quite villainous. "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price," as the old story goes. That’s actually the more tame part of the dialogue . I was thinking more along the lines of the implied rape at the end was the dark part. And well laughing at blind children is pretty twisted too . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShardWarrior Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, THEDarkTyger said: Yes for real. There are grades of evil. Not every villain has to be a sick and twisted sociopathic monster. I agree. To me, some of the most compelling villains are ones that you can relate to and understand, even sympathize with their motivations - like Magneto. I get it that some people are into depraved stuff though and won't begrudge them. Personally, I'll just skip the contact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The General Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said: And who says you can't feel like a villain playing red side?! Me? I mean, if we were to translate this to the DC universe, Phipps is the Joker and the player is one of those big beefy dudes in white face paint that does the actual grunt work. 50 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said: Oh, I think quite knowingly poisoning people, whether being directed to do so or not, is quite villainous. "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price," as the old story goes. No one ever said you couldn't do anything evil on redside. You just do it at the behest of better, smarter villains. You're a flunky the vast majority of the time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williwaw Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I love villains, but I hate Phipps. He's a petty little monster who spends all his time bullying the weak and helpless, and laughing about it. (My favorite villains are the ones who punch up or at least across, not down. I like the tone of the game's Rogue and Villain Tip and Morality missions) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaxArcana Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Gravitus said: Lol for real? For real. Everyone has limits to their comfort zone. Not just IRL, but even comic book villains. In tabletop roleplay, I've had villains who went far out of their way to never harm, or even endanger, innocent bystanders. As they would say, in-character to the heroes: "Look, I'm an art thief, not a monster. I don't want anyone hurt, I just want loads of cash." Said characters have even undergone a (temporary) heel-face turn, risking their lives to SAVE others. Middle of a heist, a massive fire starts in a nearby children's hospital. He turned to the Heroes, and said "look, the fire's more important than this. Let's save those people, then we all walk away. No theft, no arrest ... and none of those people wind up dead." He was also always true to his word - letter AND spirit. Some thieves DO have honor. 🙂 6 1 Global Handle: @PaxArcana ... Home servers on Live: Freedom & Virtue ... Home Server on HC: Torchbearer Archetype: Casual Gamer ... Powersets: Forum Melee / Neckbeard ... Kryptonite: Altoholism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLiah Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, boggo2300 said: I think the word you are looking for is Henchman... Or patsy sorry couldn't resist This is part of the reason I like the tips system, as minimal as it is it gives you a choice. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Nefertiti Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I actually quite enjoy his arc. I suppose it's my love for really dark fiction. I don't like gore horror like saw or hostel or that ilk of movie but I do love american horror story and that kind of twisted nastiness. The first time I did it I was actually impressed they went that dark. Almost all the rest is of the "beat opposition to a pulp and steal their stuff" kind of mission. It's nice to see a bit of actual evil instead of just naughty people being a bit bad. However i can see how people would find his storyline unpleasant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JnEricsonx Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Even Evil Has Standards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I really wish CoV had more instances where *your character* was the one putting things into motion, (as well as a motivations system for your villainy). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extor Prime Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 This almost makes me play redside. Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Queen Nefertiti said: I actually quite enjoy his arc. I suppose it's my love for really dark fiction. I don't like gore horror like saw or hostel or that ilk of movie but I do love american horror story and that kind of twisted nastiness. The first time I did it I was actually impressed they went that dark. Almost all the rest is of the "beat opposition to a pulp and steal their stuff" kind of mission. It's nice to see a bit of actual evil instead of just naughty people being a bit bad. However i can see how people would find his storyline unpleasant. Exactly ! I’m on my lore toon where I’m trying to get 100% completion (which means I’ve done close to 200 story arcs prior to this one, which is what compelled me to make this post) this was one of the few that stood out. Like you said most of it is beat up / kill person X, kidnap Y and steal Z. Very few arcs were done out of pure evil for the sake of evil. Variety is the spice of life and it was nice not seeing another cookie cutter arc . That being said I felt this was a world where there are a range of evil and types of villains. It’s nice to know that not everyone in COV is a Saturday morning cartoon villain, but to each his own . Edited September 14, 2019 by Gravitus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Destruction Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Queen Nefertiti said: It's nice to see a bit of actual evil instead of just naughty people being a bit bad. However i can see how people would find his storyline unpleasant. It's pointless evil, that's why I find him unpleasant. If I want actual evil I'll run Vernon Von Grun; at least he's doing it for science. Phipps probably kicks puppies for fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Eva Destruction said: It's pointless evil, that's why I find him unpleasant. If I want actual evil I'll run Vernon Von Grun; at least he's doing it for science. Phipps probably kicks puppies for fun. Chaotic evil is a thing. And Phipps technically does have a goal. He states himself he keeps the dredges of society low so those in power can stay there. He also points out that since he’s undercover as a philanthropist , it’s a good way to gather intel to feed to arachnos. The guy just happens to like his work , hence Chaotic evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Gravitus said: Chaotic evil is a thing. And Phipps technically does have a goal. He states himself he keeps the dredges of society low so those in power can stay there. He also points out that since he’s undercover as a philanthropist , it’s a good way to gather intel to feed to arachnos. The guy just happens to like his work , hence Chaotic evil. Well, if we're going by D&D alignments, wouldn't he fall more under "Lawful Evil", since he kind of respects systems and rules - only that said systems and rules are extremely twisted and vile? He's not acting randomly or without some plan/goal in mind. I kind of envisioned "chaotic evil" as the bloodthirsty monster that randomly attacks passerbys or a gang that just attacks or robs people on a whim or with no provocation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, biostem said: Well, if we're going by D&D alignments, wouldn't he fall more under "Lawful Evil", since he kind of respects systems and rules - only that said systems and rules are extremely twisted and vile? He's not acting randomly or without some plan/goal in mind. I kind of envisioned "chaotic evil" as the bloodthirsty monster that randomly attacks passerbys or a gang that just attacks or robs people on a whim or with no provocation... It complicated, evil alignments aren’t necessarily based off just a characters actions but their state of mind. Phipps respects the system only because if he didn’t he wouldn’t be in a position to live out his dark twisted fantasies . He’s not dumb, he’s smart enough to realize his niche and not over step his bounds with arachnos. He wouldn’t be doing his job unless he enjoyed it Edited September 14, 2019 by Gravitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitus Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Someone said it earlier but the joker is an example of chaotic evil and he’s a straight up mastermind . Masterminds aren’t impulsive . I mean he can be but not to a point where he ruins his plans. Edited September 14, 2019 by Gravitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 16 hours ago, boggo2300 said: Still Phipps is the villain, you are just the henchman, it's not so much the evil part that breaks the villainy, but the lack of self direction 😄 Red Side is Mercenarial, toons there amass notoriety, alliances and ill gotten loot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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