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How does WP have more regen than /regen?

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TCRSavage

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I was tooling around on mids looking at character concepts, and started a wm/wp build, using lvl 50 I/os, was hovering around 500% regen, with good resists and defense.  I tried to see how much regen I could get using wm/regen, and wtaf, I was looking at regen topping out (passives) at 300%.  Does that sound even remotely right?  I know regen is clicky, but according to mids, you can't slot IH for healing and get any return (2.3% or so for the first IO) and there's no way to boost health other than DP.  

 

Am I taking crazy pills?  Regen is worse at regen than other powersets?  This saddens me if true, my only 50 was a DM/Regen back in the day.  I've been sorting through the forums and just see a lot of "regen sux" comments, but I cannot understand what's happened, and if WP is simply the new regen?

 

Are regen players just popping MoG for every fight using hasten and burnout, slotting everything for recharge?

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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It doesn't.
You're looking at WP's maximum steady-state regen.

At full tilt, a TOTALLY UNSLOTTED Regen is at 1165% on a Brute

Three-slotted with 50+5 generics and the two +Regen uniques, you're sitting at 1599%.
WITHOUT Instant Healing, you're at 592%

If you want to be godlike, pick anything.

If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK!

Without_Pause

Without_Pause

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Higher than scrappers? Yes and also yes.

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Psyonico

Psyonico

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Well, it increases the amount healed per tick, not the Regen amount.

 

A Regen scrapper and a Regen brute should go from 1% to 100% in the same amount of time

What this team needs is more Defenders

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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On 4/3/2020 at 8:29 AM, TCRSavage said:

Thanks for the quick reply!  So, Brutes also have a higher HP cap, do they not, which increases the rate of regen?

 

On 4/3/2020 at 9:10 AM, Without_Pause said:

Higher than scrappers? Yes and also yes.


Not quite.

Yes, Brutes have a higher HP count.
The regeneration RATE is the percentage.
But, with higher HP, that translates into more HP per clock-tick.

If you want to be godlike, pick anything.

If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK!

Rathulfr

Rathulfr

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And don't forget that Willpower is often considered an "apology" for how badly Regen was nerfed, back in the day.  WP is often called "the better Regen", because it offers both regen (albeit less than pure Regen) and layered resist/defense.  But if you want pure +regen, Regen is still the best; however, if you want regen + armor, you go WP.

 

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Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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17 hours ago, Rathulfr said:

if you want regen + armor, you go WP.



Or build for it.

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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/Rchg:50(3), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(3), SprBrtFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), SprBrtFur-Rech/Fury:50(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Pnc-Heal:50(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux:50(7), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Pnc-Heal/Rchg:50(9), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg:50(11)
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Level 6: Quick Recovery -- PrfShf-End%:50(A), PrfShf-EndMod:50(25)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx:50(25), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(29), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc:50(29)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg:50(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux:50(31), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), Pnc-Heal/Rchg:50(31), Pnc-Heal:50(33)
Level 12: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Tough -- Ags-ResDam:50(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx:50(33), Ags-ResDam/Rchg:50(33), GldArm-3defTpProc:50(34), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(34)
Level 16: Integration -- Pnc-Heal:50(A), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux:50(34), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Pnc-Heal/Rchg:50(36), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg:50(36)
Level 18: Rage -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(37)
Level 20: Resilience -- Ags-ResDam:50(A), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx:50(37), Ags-ResDam/Rchg:50(37)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(39), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP:50(39), Rct-ResDam%:50(39)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def:50(A), LucoftheG-Rchg+:50(40)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux:50(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Pnc-Heal/Rchg:50(42), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg:50(42), Pnc-Heal:50(42)
Level 30: Hurl -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg:50(43), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(43), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(45), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc:50(45)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(46), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(46), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc:50(48)
Level 35: Revive -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LucoftheG-Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg:50(48), ShlWal-Def/Rchg:50(48), Rct-Def/Rchg:50(50), Ags-ResDam/Rchg:50(50)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(50)
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End:50(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+:50(17), Mrc-Rcvry+:40(17)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%:50(A), PrfShf-EndMod:50(19)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Haijinx

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WP is better in general play than Regen, and easier to build for.

 

You can build up Regen sure.  And of course it has more Regen at its peak times.  

 

Some people still have WP hate though, always will.  

 

 

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Rathulfr

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6 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

Or build for it.

I meant no disrespect to Regen with my comments.

 

@Rathstar

Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting

Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior

Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable

Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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1 hour ago, Rathulfr said:

I meant no disrespect to Regen with my comments.

 


I know.

BUT I'M-A-GONNA RAKE YOU OVER THE COALS ANYHOW!

*RAKE*
*RAKE*
*RAKE*

If you want to be godlike, pick anything.

If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK!

Rathulfr

Rathulfr

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10 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said:


I know.

BUT I'M-A-GONNA RAKE YOU OVER THE COALS ANYHOW!

*RAKE*
*RAKE*
*RAKE*

Stop, that tickles! 😄

@Rathstar

Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting

Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior

Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable

Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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58 minutes ago, merrypessimist said:

Rake rake rake... rake that booty.  Rake rake rake, rake that booty... oh yeah! 😛


NO!  NO DISCO!
DISCO IST VERBOTEN!

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Redlynne

Redlynne

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Regeneration has almost as much regeneration power as Willpower?

 

NERF IT AGAIN!!!

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Myrmidon

Myrmidon

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22 hours ago, Haijinx said:

Some people still have WP hate though, always will.  


Some people eat Tide Pods. It takes a village.

Playing CoX is it’s own reward

Myrmidon

Myrmidon

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16 hours ago, Rathulfr said:

I meant no disrespect to Regen with my comments.

 


Willpower takes Regen’s lunch money and makes it walk home with no shoes. The truth is the truth.😉

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Haijinx

Haijinx

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32 minutes ago, Myrmidon said:


Willpower takes Regen’s lunch money and makes it walk home with no shoes. The truth is the truth.😉

Basically with the right build, including a lot of recharge, Regen can be just as survivable as a well built WP.  Using clicks.

 

WP needs no clicks.

 

With less optimized builds its just as Myrmidon says.    

 

On SO's?  Pffts.  Add in WP giving Regen swirlies after Recess and stealing Regen's girlfriend.  

  

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Myrmidon

Myrmidon

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Just now, Haijinx said:

Basically with the right build, including a lot of recharge, Regen can be just as survivable as a well built WP.  Using clicks.

 

WP needs no clicks.

 

With less optimized builds its just as Myrmidon says.    

 

On SO's?  Pffts.  Add in WP giving Regen swirlies after Recess and stealing Regen's girlfriend.  

  

 

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Playing CoX is it’s own reward

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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18 hours ago, Myrmidon said:


Some people eat Tide Pods. It takes a village.


If it takes a village to make someone "eat" Tide Pods, that's technically called "Torture and Poisoning".

 

If you want to be godlike, pick anything.

If you want to be GOD, pick a TANK!

Hyperstrike

Hyperstrike

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18 hours ago, Myrmidon said:


Willpower takes Regen’s lunch money and makes it walk home with no shoes. The truth is the truth.😉


*Pees in Myrmidon's Cornflakes*

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