Yomo Kimyata Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The only thing that makes Winter Packs unique is that there is/was/has been a "sales" price. They are not fundamentally more or less useful on 3 January than they are on 4 January. As that goes away, do prices start to move higher? Then do people unpack or sell their packs to drive prices lower? There are all kinds of undergraduate economics theses that could be written about some pretty basic understandings of both traditional microeconomics and behavioral economics. I bought 2,000 packs. Hardly a huge number and hardly insignificant. I'll be honest, I'm mostly hoping someone tries to drive prices up on something so I can hit their unsustainable bids! Who run Bartertown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Aren't they seeded in the market at 25 million? So prices could rise higher than that, but they'd always be available for purchase at that minimum threshold. 1 Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/28/2021 at 7:13 AM, Ukase said: I don't think they should randomly drop. I think they should be part of every reward table. Or at least most reward tables. Now, what might be more interesting is to have a random Winter-O be available after completing the Winter Lord trial or some other appropriate task, much the same way Overwhelming Force is available after Summer BB. And since the Summer BB is available year round - I see no reason why the Winter Lord trial can't be available year round. Agree with this. Winter Event offering a Winter Pack (or just a reward table with one Winter-O) just makes sense to me. Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomo Kimyata Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: Aren't they seeded in the market at 25 million? So prices could rise higher than that, but they'd always be available for purchase at that minimum threshold. Ah yes, I was referring to WOs. Sorry to not explain the voices in my head who sometimes don't get expressed by my fingers. 1 Who run Bartertown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: I bought 2,000 packs. Hardly a huge number and hardly insignificant. We need to have a talk about perspective. 1 "Homecoming is not perfect but it is still better than the alternative.. at least so far" - Unknown (Wise words Unknown!) Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomo Kimyata Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Troo said: We need to have a talk about perspective. I'm sorry, I didn't quite see that. There seems to be something caught in my monocle. *wipes away trillion inf bill* Ah, that's better. Hmm, hadn't considered that, thanks! 1 2 Who run Bartertown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukase Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 I have 3020 packs left to open...still undecided if I should buy more. And I think time is running out! Probably ends tomorrow. At least, the winter event should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjrasmussen Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: I'm sorry, I didn't quite see that. There seems to be something caught in my monocle. *wipes away trillion inf bill* Ah, that's better. Hmm, hadn't considered that, thanks! You can send me some of that! I went to Ouroboros all i got was this lousy secret! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukase Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 I was going to by 10B more this morning...but they started maintenance an hour earlier than I expected! Doooom!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erratic1 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Ukase said: I was going to by 10B more this morning...but they started maintenance an hour earlier than I expected! Doooom!!!!!! Trusting my poor luck with regards to doing things at the last minute, I made sure to login and purchase last night before going to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seed22 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just gotta wait on those darn market prices to catch up. Any idea as to when that will occur? Isn’t it usually by the end of the day? Aspiring show writer through AE arcs and then eventually a script 😛 AE Arcs: Odd Stories-Arc ID: 57289| An anthology series focusing on some of your crazier stories that you'd save for either a drunken night at Pocket D or a mindwipe from your personal psychic.|The Pariahs: Magus Gray-Arc ID: 58682| Magus Gray enlists your help in getting to the bottom of who was behind the murder of the Winter Court.| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraAlt Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) It looks like the packs are fixed. I've seen a couple of "Experienced" and none of the x% XP Boosters in the packs that I have opened so far after the patch on Tuesday AM. I'm still seeing the x% XP Boosters from before in my email, so they may not be converting those to "Experienced" or, at least, not yet. Edited January 4, 2022 by UltraAlt consistent in 30 packs opened If someone posts a reply quoting me and I don't reply, they may be on ignore. (It seems I'm involved with so much at this point that I may not be able to easily retrieve access to all the notifications) Some players know that I have them on ignore and are likely to make posts knowing that is the case. But the fact that I have them on ignore won't stop some of them from bullying and harassing people, because some of them love to do it. There is a group that have banded together to target forum posters they don't like. They think that this behavior is acceptable. Ignore (in the forums) and /ignore (in-game) are tools to improve your gaming experience. Don't feel bad about using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macskull Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 12/31/2021 at 10:24 AM, tidge said: I think a better argument is this, based on demand: EVERY AT can slot (almost every) Winter -O, but any given AT can only use two ATO sets. The Winter-Os have those very attractive Superior options (that again, every ATO can benefit from) With a healthy dose of: Fire farm builds Personally, I think the "top builds" argument is problematic as the type of content that is played determines performance. My preference for most builds is to look for the global +Recharge et al. bonuses from the lvl 50 Superior sets first. I like the look of those 5- and 6-piece bonuses from Winter-Os, but honestly the typical set bonus they offer that appeals the most to me is the Slow resistance... and I usually find another set's bonus that I prefer more than that. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the reason winter packs are 25m vs 10m is primarily due to the attractiveness of the winter-O set bonuses for fire farmers - same reason AE XP got cut in half, and same reason double XP while exemplared was disabled. They're all means of inflation control on a higher-population server, since the other servers which share HC's code base do not have those differences (except maybe the exemplar bit). "If you can read this, I've failed as a developer." -- Caretaker Proc information and chance calculator spreadsheet (last updated 15APR24) Player numbers graph (updated every 15 minutes) Graph readme @macskull/@Not Mac | Twitch | Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtjunkie Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 11 hours ago, Ukase said: I was going to by 10B more this morning...but they started maintenance an hour earlier than I expected! Doooom!!!!!! I was putting in my buy order at 7:59 this morning and BAM too late sucka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukase Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 9:17 AM, Seed22 said: Just gotta wait on those darn market prices to catch up. Any idea as to when that will occur? Isn’t it usually by the end of the day? Market prices to catch up? If I understand your question, historically, the prices of winter-Os that are superior when not impacted by the sale of the packs went for 23M to 35M, depending on market forces. Lat year, it took a good number of months for these prices to creep up due to so many folks getting in on the pack sales. Some folks decreased demand by buying them for themselves. A fair number of folks increased supply by trying to liquidate the packs they bought. I wouldn't expect prices to creep back up to "normal" until July or August. I say that, but it's pure speculation. I don't know how many packs were bought, nor am I super clear on how many were relisted - because I'm not clear on how many were bought. (circular logic error, perhaps) I suspect some folks that bought a large number of them, if they're still playing, may have bought 10,000 packs. Maybe they did that last year. Or, they could still have those packs from the last sale. No idea. Either way, market forces will keep the prices below "normal" for a while, I suspect. That's not to say you can't buy the packs at 25M and still make profit. Just not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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