Council of Shadows

[Yomo Kimyata]

Given the revamp that Crey got recently (which I personally find overly annoying, but tweves), can we please revamp high end council?  My suggestion is to merge the powers of council and carnival of shadows.

[Rudra]

I don't really see the Council and Carnival merging. They are antithetical to each other as far as I can tell. And in the incarnate arcs, you start to see more powerful Council without the need for merging disparate groups. Just have the devs expand the incarnate Council or further explore the Paths of the Dark Council.

[Yomo Kimyata]

Oh, I'm not saying this from a canon aspect.  I'm saying give the Council equivalent powers to the Carnival, or whatever.  Beef them up.  Give them unresistable debuffs.  That sort of thing.

 

 

[Sakura Tenshi]

I won’t disagree that the Council could use some new things both to distinguish them from the Fifth Column, make them current with Current game difficulty, and because when issue 24 originally dropped the storyline was hinting for massive changes to the council and other factions anyway. Still, I don’t see the powers of the Carnival as terribly fitting for the Council. Rapiers, chakras, fire breathers, burly mallet guys, illusionists and psychic ring mistresses don’t seem like they’d gel well. I’d pitch what I would think and like to see but it’s hard to put into words much less convey whole phone posting.

[SwitchFade]

I'm all for adding new missions or content where higher end council are, but not in favor of a revamp of the existing missions.

 

Sometimes I just want to thrash some pleeb council or warriors and when I want that it's nice to have milder groups. I never set foot in AE, never PL and play my way to 50 and beyond on all toons. While I thoroughly enjoy fighting Malta, carnies, IDF, arachnos... I enjoy having the option to relax and enjoy fighting factions that are less difficult, i.e. council, warriors, sometimes freaks or sky raiders.

 

Please do not remove this option.

[biostem]

I could see some higher level Council getting beam rifles, or perhaps some human/Mekman cyborgs.  Maybe the Warwolves could be revamped with savage melee attacks as well...

[Spaghetti Betty]

You know, I had a whole wall typed out, because I like the idea of giving council a buff, then I realized everything I was coming up with was just stuff Longbow already does.

 

Still gonna +1 the original idea because I do think some Carnie stuff could be ported over to Vamps and Galaxies to make them more threatening.

[Bill Z Bubba]

I know that while leveling up, the difference between max diff council and max diff carnies is pretty dang stark. But CoT feel like they're right in the middle. Why aren't there any Rikti or Malta radio missions in PI? If there are I'm gonna feel dumb but I don't think my blinders are that heavy.

[Spaghetti Betty]

1 hour ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

I know that while leveling up, the difference between max diff council and max diff carnies is pretty dang stark. But CoT feel like they're right in the middle. Why aren't there any Rikti or Malta radio missions in PI? If there are I'm gonna feel dumb but I don't think my blinders are that heavy.

AFAIK the only vill groups in PI radios are Council, CoT, Arachnos, and Carnies.

 

Grandville papers get way more choices, but not Rikti. You have to go to RWZ for endless Rikti door missions.

[Greycat]

The Council are tied in with the Nictus. That should give at least a reason for more differentiation... and more power boosts (figuring by the time they're a threat to 40-50+ they've "proven themselves" enough to have more of a kick to them.)

[biostem]

4 hours ago, Greycat said:

The Council are tied in with the Nictus.

Isn't that what the Galaxies are?  Maybe they could have a chance to turn into a dwarf or nova upon defeat

[Rudra]

The Galaxies, War Wolves, Arakhn, Requiem, and possibly the Vampyri are all linked to the Nictus. The Galaxies have a part of a (dead?) Nictus placed in them. (In a mission from Dr. Shelly Percey, the Nictus is alive and whole, and is how a Galaxy is made. Another mission, contact not remembered, it is mentioned only a fragment of a usually dead Nictus is placed in a host to make a Galaxy, with the knowledge that a partial Nictus can grow into a whole Nictus. Unclear if dead is permitted or if must be alive to grow into a whole Nictus and take over the host's body.) The Wolves are noted in at least one mission as being failed attempts to use the Nictus and in another as simply made by the use of Nictus, means unclear. The Vampyri are hinted at having a Nictus connection in at least one mission, but are otherwise specified as being a type of super soldier.

Edited February 28, 2022 by Rudra
Edited to clarify.

[UltraAlt]

17 hours ago, Rudra said:

I don't really see the Council and Carnival merging.

 

Let's see them have some street/city zone battles against each other!

[FrauleinMental]

18 hours ago, biostem said:

I could see some higher level Council getting beam rifles, or perhaps some human/Mekman cyborgs.  Maybe the Warwolves could be revamped with savage melee attacks as well...

I could have sworn I'd seen some beam rifles over the weekend, either with Council (running Manticore TF) or with Family (running Sister Airlia's arcs).

 

I don't think I see Ascendants in high-level content, so they might stand some upgrading.  Much as I hate getting hit with Detention Field, Ascendants might help revive Council from steamroll status.

 

And Council were more challenging when their missions had a non-zero chance of spawning Shadow Cyst Crystals.  (Or maybe not, since so many people faceroll ITF nowadays.)

[Ston]

28 minutes ago, FrauleinMental said:

I could have sworn I'd seen some beam rifles over the weekend, either with Council (running Manticore TF) or with Family (running Sister Airlia's arcs).

 

I don't think I see Ascendants in high-level content, so they might stand some upgrading.  Much as I hate getting hit with Detention Field, Ascendants might help revive Council from steamroll status.

 

And Council were more challenging when their missions had a non-zero chance of spawning Shadow Cyst Crystals.  (Or maybe not, since so many people faceroll ITF nowadays.)

 

Yeah the revamped Family have beam rifles. It certainly makes them much tougher to fight.. and it's always amusing to see teammates get caught off guard when they can't steamroll them. 

 

Would definitely be nice to see Council get some better weapon tech. Maybe add a lieutenant with the Surveillance power for some resistance & defense debuffing?

[Rudra]

Maybe have Nictus start spawning in high level Council missions? That could be a good start at least.