Crysis Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I was soloing an AV earlier today and as I cleared out the trash around him it occurred to me how much nastier an AV could be if they could direct all attacks from all minions within the room onto a single player. Sort of how a MasterMind can use “Attack my Target” and/or Bodyguard mode. It’s a very effective tactic in PvP team battles and I can only imagine if the AV had the ability to call in all minions within the area to focus their attacks on a player. The rules of aggro generally allow you to do what I did….clean the trash out of the area first, so it’s truly 1v1 against an AV. But if aggro rules didn’t apply to an AV, and they had the ability to call in all available support -and- direct their attacks onto a single target (maybe via a highest threat indicator flag or similar), it could really up the challenge factor. Or is this being done somewhere in the game already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Game Master GM Impervium Posted January 31, 2023 Lead Game Master Share Posted January 31, 2023 Spamming airline websites =P 2 1 9 1 GM ImperviumHomecoming FAQ; Need a hand? File a Support Ticket! Want to lend a hand? Apply to be a GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Krimson said: I have a feeling that if this existed, players would find a way to farm it. That's exactly why the summoned demons on old school infernal mission don't award XP. When they first came out people used to sit there with a fire tank with burn on auto and have the bridge and sk back at mission entrance. The tank would never kill Infernal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Having minions crowd around you would help quite a few types of defenses: Shield, Inv, Willpower, heck most now that i think of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Monkey Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) A power that makes them intangible... oh.. wait.. Actually a power that would be really nasty on an AV would aim or build-up to give them a big burst of consecutive hits. Similarly, I don't know of any AV's that do defense debuff... (Malaise maybe?)... which is nasty to anyone who can't resist it.... (oh.. Clamor, too) Edited January 31, 2023 by Shred Monkey 1 Active on Excelsior: Prismatic Monkey - Seismic / Martial Blaster, Shadow Dragon Monkey - Staff / Dark Brute, Murder Robot Monkey - Arachnos Night Widow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejer Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Malta's Slinger, MM Bot/FF, getting access to all the updated FF powers and then add Teleport pool. Throw Detention Field on anything that buffs, keep KB the melee and porting the Bots or foes while Repulsion Field keeps everything at arms length. Damping Bubble to push these already +def bots over the top off the top of my head. Edited January 31, 2023 by Ceejer Spelling, what else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilii Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Shred Monkey said: Actually a power that would be really nasty on an AV would aim or build-up to give them a big burst of consecutive hits. Similarly, I don't know of any AV's that do defense debuff... (Malaise maybe?)... which is nasty to anyone who can't resist it.... (oh.. Clamor, too) Silver Mantis goes wild with defense debuffs on every attack, and her damage is no joke either. She also has Build Up in her high level incarnations! Plus Dull Pain, plus Unstoppable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoptartsNinja Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Detention Bubble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayeh Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Why should I be thankful for what abilities they don't have? I welcome any new challenges. This game is quite honestly really easy and straight-forward. I can think of dozens of powers/mechanics from other monster raiding games that would impose a real threat. Edited January 31, 2023 by Nayeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperStone Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Fold Space 2 /e poofgone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverLaxx Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 This almost sounds like a "lets give the devs ideas for new AVs" thread. 1 exChampion and exInfinity player (Champion primarily). Current resident of the Everlasting shard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejer Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 31 minutes ago, PoptartsNinja said: Detention Bubble. 21 minutes ago, JasperStone said: Fold Space See now we're tracking. Add an AI that has taunt protection and actively targets ATs that buff/debuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorHugh Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Controller-level Confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysis Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, ForeverLaxx said: This almost sounds like a "let’s give the devs ideas for new AVs" thread. Mmmmmmhmmmmm….especially if it’s just reassigning existing powers that otherwise exist in game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roleki Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 So obvious: Time Bomb. 1 Well, which is it, young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? If'n I freeze, I can't rightly drop. And if'n I drop I'll be in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkneblade Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Twilight Grasp or any foe targeted healing power really, they usually have short recharge. Only Ghost Widow have it thankfully. Combined with ridiculous level of regeneration of AVs and spammable foe targeted healing power, it gets tedious. Edit : Oh, Protean has it too, but you can get out of his range pretty easily unless you are minion managing class.... Edited January 31, 2023 by Darkneblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, PoptartsNinja said: Detention Bubble. Some Longbow bosses or Ballistas have this. It is really annoying. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Imagine a fully hidden AV with assassin's strike that prowled around random points within a mission, then ambushed you... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said: That's exactly why the summoned demons on old school infernal mission don't award XP. Or the summoned Behemoths in the 'portal room' in Oranbega maps. You had to be a bit careful doing it, though -- once you triggered a portal, you needed to back away so that your Burn patches didn't frag the portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejer Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, biostem said: Some Longbow bosses or Ballistas have this. It is really annoying. Longbow Warden (Illusion Controller). Those are annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemX Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, biostem said: Some Longbow bosses or Ballistas have this. It is really annoying. And pretty effective for them as it is most likely to hit a Tanker or Brute who is grabbing all the aggro.... then it prevents them from taunting anyone while it's up. No taunt, no punch-voke, no taunt or damage aura. All gone. And I usually find aggro is pretty quickly stolen from me after that, especially if it has happened early in the fight, which it is likely to if you're the first to leap in and you taunt the whole spawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidge Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Super Jump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neiska Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I think an AV with the player version of Stalker's Hide used by a good AI could lead to bad or interesting things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Neiska said: Stalker's Hide used by a good AI Well that's the rub, isn't it. Even Bane Spiders can only achieve their crits by using a version of placate beforehand to force them into a hidden state, and Night Widows basically have an OP smoke grenade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twozerofoxtrot Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Fast Healing. AVs in AE will run 100 -regen resist with this power. It's impossible to debuff them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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