Force Redux Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Regarding Lady Grey's damage proc in Necromancy's Knights; wouldnt Achilis'Heel -resist proc be better overall? Personally I'd slot both. There's room because you have Soul Extraction as a slot mule for the pet IOs. The -Res is even better when teaming. @Force Redux on Everlasting ----- (read my guide) ----- Gather the Shadows: A Dark Miasma Primer for Masterminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erydanus Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 * When I was testing the prestige enhancement IOs on Zombie Horde I was level 5 going to level 6. There is no issue with the procs failing for level up. * I was also able to reproduce the behavior on the test server with a level 5 character. After verifying the knockdown proc was working I leveled the character to 6, dismissed the zombie, trained up, summoned 2 new zombies and confirmed procs had stopped working. * I dismissed and resummoned the zombies in every case where the slotting was changed. That includes when I dinged 5, trained to 6. Also when I dismissed the zombies, deleted the enhancements and resummoned. StrikerFox you've got this parser set up already - would you mind taking a few minutes to reproduce my tests? Test a Zombie Horde at level 5 (1 zombie) with a couple procs, level to 6, dismiss and resummon, and validate? I'm not just interested in the procs firing, but also the damage enhancements just shutting off too. Also on the test server I tried the same tricks using the Overwhelming Force damage proc - but it worked on everything. So it's entirely possible that it's just these enhancements that are specifically bugged but I'd like to know. Due to local high heat and no air conditioning in my computer room I haven't been able to play for about a week now. :( See me on Excelsior as Eridanus - Whisperkill - Kid Physics - Ranger Wilde - The Hometown Scrapper - Firewatch - and more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 How about bots? What proc are available to slot them? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberrysmith Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Regarding Lady Grey's damage proc in Necromancy's Knights; wouldnt Achilis'Heel -resist proc be better overall? Personally I'd slot both. There's room because you have Soul Extraction as a slot mule for the pet IOs. The -Res is even better when teaming. On sets that have a mule (Gang War), can you slot all 6 of the pet aura IOs or do some of them need to be on an active pet to reap the benefit? In particular, some of them are described as "bonus aura". Does this aura live on the player or on the pet? If so does the benefit only show up when Gang War is active? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Redux Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Regarding Lady Grey's damage proc in Necromancy's Knights; wouldnt Achilis'Heel -resist proc be better overall? Personally I'd slot both. There's room because you have Soul Extraction as a slot mule for the pet IOs. The -Res is even better when teaming. On sets that have a mule (Gang War), can you slot all 6 of the pet aura IOs or do some of them need to be on an active pet to reap the benefit? In particular, some of them are described as "bonus aura". Does this aura live on the player or on the pet? If so does the benefit only show up when Gang War is active? Aura IOs are always active. As to slotting then all in gang war, I'd recommend against it, as gang war is actually useful when slotted to hit, damage, and Recharge. Perhaps 3 aura IOs then framkenslot the remaining three slots for accd/dam in Gang War. Distribute other three aura UOs in your other pets. There might be a better way to do it, I'm not a thugs guy. @Force Redux on Everlasting ----- (read my guide) ----- Gather the Shadows: A Dark Miasma Primer for Masterminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeshift Sage Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Regarding Lady Grey's damage proc in Necromancy's Knights; wouldnt Achilis'Heel -resist proc be better overall? Personally I'd slot both. There's room because you have Soul Extraction as a slot mule for the pet IOs. The -Res is even better when teaming. On sets that have a mule (Gang War), can you slot all 6 of the pet aura IOs or do some of them need to be on an active pet to reap the benefit? In particular, some of them are described as "bonus aura". Does this aura live on the player or on the pet? If so does the benefit only show up when Gang War is active? Aura IOs are always active. As to slotting then all in gang war, I'd recommend against it, as gang war is actually useful when slotted to hit, damage, and Recharge. Perhaps 3 aura IOs then framkenslot the remaining three slots for accd/dam in Gang War. Distribute other three aura UOs in your other pets. There might be a better way to do it, I'm not a thugs guy. Gangwar is a strange power in it's good out of the box but they do die quick and will never be high damage. I personally would 6 slot your aura stuff in there unless your going for double gangwar or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberrysmith Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Yeah, that’s been my experience with gang war so far too. Using it as a mule leaves a lot of room for procs in other pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Rocket Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I wonder how well it would work to slot Gang War with like, two Acc/Recharge IOs, and then fill the rest with just all the good damage procs you can find... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Redux Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I wonder how well it would work to slot Gang War with like, two Acc/Recharge IOs, and then fill the rest with just all the good damage procs you can find... Far better to slot it out with aura procs and put damage procs in the thugs. @Force Redux on Everlasting ----- (read my guide) ----- Gather the Shadows: A Dark Miasma Primer for Masterminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Rocket Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I wonder how well it would work to slot Gang War with like, two Acc/Recharge IOs, and then fill the rest with just all the good damage procs you can find... Far better to slot it out with aura procs and put damage procs in the thugs. I feel like this needs testing, because as far as I can tell, when you slot a pet power with procs, each pet gets their own PPM adjusted chance for the proc to trigger... which means on a power that summons like 30 pets, this should trigger the procs A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I feel like this needs testing, because as far as I can tell, when you slot a pet power with procs, each pet gets their own PPM adjusted chance for the proc to trigger... which means on a power that summons like 30 pets, this should trigger the procs A LOT. Tested Soulbound and Overwhelming in Gang War. Seems successful. 2019-07-15 21:44:06 You activated the Gang War power. 2019-07-15 21:44:07 HIT Sgt. Major! Your Gang War power is autohit. 2019-07-15 21:44:07 You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:07 Your attack strength has increased temporarily. 2019-07-15 21:44:08 Jaeger MISSES! Jaeger Gun power had a 5.75% chance to hit, but rolled a 71.72. 2019-07-15 21:44:09 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Brawl for 59.23 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:11 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:11 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:12 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:12 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Brawl for 63.35 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:12 Posse: Posse bashes Sgt. Major with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:12 Posse: You have knocked Sgt. Major off their feet with your Sledgehammer! 2019-07-15 21:44:12 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:13 Posse: Posse chops Sgt. Major with their Fireman Axe for 132.86 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! 2019-07-15 21:44:13 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:14 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Revolver for 56.7 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:14 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:15 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:15 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Brawl for 63.35 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:16 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:16 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:16 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:17 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:17 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:18 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Brawl for 63.35 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:20 Posse: Posse smashes Jaeger with a Baseball Bat for 122.98 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:20 Posse: Posse shoots Jaeger with their Revolver for 48.2 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:20 Posse: You knock down Jaeger with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:20 You have defeated Jaeger 2019-07-15 21:44:22 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 91.62 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:22 You have defeated Sgt. Major 2019-07-15 21:44:32 Posse: Posse shoots Lancer Surgeon with their Revolver for 53.02 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:32 Posse: You knock down Lancer Surgeon with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:32 Posse: Posse stabs Jaeger with a Knife for 57.84 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:34 Posse: Posse hits Lancer with their Brawl for 51.5 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:34 Posse: Posse shoots Lancer Surgeon with their Automatic Pistol for 64.8 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Grenadier MISSES! Bayonet power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 96.72. 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: Posse smashes Lancer Surgeon with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: You knock down Lancer Surgeon with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: Posse smashes Grenadier with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: Posse hits Lancer with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: Posse chops Jaeger with their Fireman Axe for 105.59 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! 2019-07-15 21:44:35 Posse: You knock down Jaeger with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Posse: Posse bashes Jaeger with a Sledgehammer for 170.74 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Posse: You knock down Jaeger with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Lancer MISSES! Nemesis Rifle power had a 5.75% chance to hit, but rolled a 69.87. 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Lancer MISSES! Nemesis Rifle power had a 5.75% chance to hit, but rolled a 80.72. 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Grenadier MISSES! Storm Rifle power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 22.67. 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Posse: Posse stabs Lancer Surgeon with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:36 Posse: You knock down Lancer Surgeon with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:38 Posse: Posse shoots Grenadier with their Revolver for 56.7 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:39 Posse: Posse shoots Lancer Surgeon with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:40 Posse: Posse hits Grenadier with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:40 Posse: You knock down Grenadier with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:40 You activated the Rebirth Partial Radial Invocation power. 2019-07-15 21:44:41 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Rock for 49.27 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:41 Posse: You knock down Jaeger with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:42 [Help] Decoy TheGirlHostage: <color #fe0101>no sorry, 4th 2019-07-15 21:44:43 Posse: Posse smashes Grenadier with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:43 Posse: Posse hits Jaeger with their Brawl for 63.35 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:43 You have defeated Jaeger 2019-07-15 21:44:44 Posse: Posse smashes Lancer Surgeon with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:44 You have defeated Lancer Surgeon 2019-07-15 21:44:45 Posse: Posse chops Grenadier with their Fireman Axe for 132.86 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! 2019-07-15 21:44:45 Posse: You knock down Grenadier with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:47 Posse: Posse stabs Grenadier with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:47 Posse: You knock down Grenadier with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:47 Posse: Posse bashes Grenadier with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:47 Posse: Posse hits Grenadier with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:47 You have defeated Grenadier 2019-07-15 21:44:49 Grenadier MISSES! Storm Rifle power had a 5.00% chance to hit, but rolled a 15.18. 2019-07-15 21:44:50 Posse: Posse hits Grenadier with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:50 Posse: You knock down Grenadier with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:51 Posse: Posse shoots Grenadier with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:51 Posse: You knock down Grenadier with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:44:51 Posse: Posse stabs Grenadier with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:44:51 You have defeated Grenadier 2019-07-15 21:45:00 Lancer MISSES! Nemesis Rifle power had a 5.75% chance to hit, but rolled a 57.99. 2019-07-15 21:45:01 You activated the Slowed Response power. 2019-07-15 21:45:01 Your Slowed Response reduces the defenses and resistances of your target and nearby foes. 2019-07-15 21:45:01 Your Slowed Response reduces the defenses and resistances of your target and nearby foes. 2019-07-15 21:45:01 Power Boost is recharged. 2019-07-15 21:45:02 Slowed Response missed! 2019-07-15 21:45:02 MISSED Sgt. Major!! Your Slowed Response power had a 95.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 97.59. 2019-07-15 21:45:04 Sgt. Major MISSES! Lance power had a 5.75% chance to hit, but rolled a 14.11. 2019-07-15 21:45:04 Fake Nemesis MISSES! Staff Bolt power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 50.01. 2019-07-15 21:45:04 Posse: Posse smashes Lancer with a Baseball Bat for 99.99 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:04 Posse: You knock down Lancer with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:04 Posse: Posse bashes Lancer with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:05 Sgt. Major MISSES! Lance Rifle power had a 6.90% chance to hit, but rolled a 92.52. 2019-07-15 21:45:05 Posse: Posse hits Lancer with their Rock for 40.06 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:05 Posse: Posse shoots Lancer with their Revolver for 53.02 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:05 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 100.2 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:06 Posse: Posse shoots Lancer with their Automatic Pistol for 64.8 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:06 You have defeated Lancer 2019-07-15 21:45:07 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:10 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 134.92 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:10 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:11 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Automatic Pistol for 102.06 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:11 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:11 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Revolver for 83.5 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:11 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Rock for 63.09 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:12 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Baseball Bat for 157.46 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:12 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:13 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:13 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:14 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Pipe for 119.29 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:14 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 100.2 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:14 You have defeated Sgt. Major 2019-07-15 21:45:16 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:17 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Automatic Pistol for 93.32 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:17 Posse: Posse bashes Sgt. Major with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:17 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:17 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:18 Fake Nemesis MISSES! Staff Bolt power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 28.52. 2019-07-15 21:45:19 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:19 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:19 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:19 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:21 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:21 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:22 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:22 You have defeated Sgt. Major 2019-07-15 21:45:23 Fake Nemesis MISSES! Staff Bolt power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 82.22. 2019-07-15 21:45:30 Slowed Response is recharged. 2019-07-15 21:45:35 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:35 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Revolver for 53.02 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: Posse stabs Sgt. Major with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:36 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:37 Posse: Posse smashes Sgt. Major with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:37 Posse: Posse bashes Sgt. Major with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:37 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:39 Posse: Posse hits Sgt. Major with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:40 Posse: Posse shoots Sgt. Major with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:40 Posse: You knock down Sgt. Major with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:40 Posse: Posse chops Sgt. Major with their Fireman Axe for 132.86 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! 2019-07-15 21:45:40 You have defeated Sgt. Major 2019-07-15 21:45:44 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:44 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:46 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:46 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 93.32 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:48 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Rock for 57.69 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:49 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse bashes Fake Nemesis with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Fake Nemesis MISSES! Staff Bolt power had a 6.50% chance to hit, but rolled a 62.60. 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:53 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:53 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:54 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:54 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 56.7 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:56 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:56 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:45:59 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 93.32 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:59 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:00 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:00 Posse: Posse chops Fake Nemesis with their Fireman Axe for 132.86 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! 2019-07-15 21:46:00 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:46:01 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:01 Posse: Posse bashes Fake Nemesis with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:02 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 Posse: You knock down Fake Nemesis with Overwhelming Force! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 You have defeated Fake Nemesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Gang War with Soulbound should be tested on a Rikti Pylon. A taunter, standing far away from the pylon's base, get/maintain aggro. MM summons GW. Collect data logs to see what kind of damage they put out. I'm just assuming Soulbound works because I saw some spikes in damage vs the Fake Nemesis near the end of the above data. But I may be mistaken. Spikes were in Revolver, Automatic Pistol and Rock. 2019-07-15 21:45:44 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:53 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:56 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:59 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:02 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Brawl for 55.08 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:46 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Baseball Bat for 106.93 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:46 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:00 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:04 Posse: Posse stabs Fake Nemesis with a Knife for 68.04 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:55 Posse: Posse smashes Fake Nemesis with a Pipe for 81.01 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:47 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 93.32 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:53 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 69.31 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:59 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Automatic Pistol for 93.32 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:48 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Rock for 57.69 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:54 Posse: Posse hits Fake Nemesis with their Rock for 42.84 points of damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:49 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:54 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 56.7 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:01 Posse: Posse shoots Fake Nemesis with their Revolver for 76.35 points of lethal damage! 2019-07-15 21:45:50 Posse: Posse bashes Fake Nemesis with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:01 Posse: Posse bashes Fake Nemesis with a Sledgehammer for 158.78 points of smashing damage! 2019-07-15 21:46:00 Posse: Posse chops Fake Nemesis with their Fireman Axe for 132.86 points of lethal damage and reduces their defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Rocket Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Oh god, all thosei Overwhelming Force procs... That's just freaking hilarious. ALL THE KNOCKDOWNS. Shame that, when I actually checked what could be slotted in Gang War, I realized that there aren't any damage procs that can be put in it :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Did you put Soulbound BU pro in Gangwar as well? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthunk Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 If I'm understand correctly none of the demon pets should be given a damage proc except for the Demon Prince; the usage of the proc IOs for Demons and Demonlings is too low to consider worth the slot? Would a good setup be to put a Soulbound buildup on the Demons and just Impeded Swiftness on the Demon Prince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlynne Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 3:19 AM, BGSacho said: Ninjas (untested) The Ninjas are already under serious slot pressure. Jounin are the only ones that get a decent number of procs(3 Lady Grey). Might be worth the slot. Two things that I'm curious about, with regards to putting procs into Ninjas. The first is that by everything that I can tell, Ninjas didn't just get the short end of the stick with regards to available Sets for their Primary powers (both Pet and otherwise), in some sense they've got almost no stick AT ALL to work with. I mean, look at this: Genin = Pet, Recharge Pet, Mastermind, Universal, Knockback sets can be slotted Shuriken = Ranged Damage Thunder Kick = Melee, Stuns Snap Shot (Shuriken) = Ranged Damage Storm Kick = Melee Aimed Shot (Exploding Shuriken) = Ranged Damage Crane Kick = Melee, Knockback Jounin = Pet, Recharge Pet, Mastermind, Universal, Knockback, ToHit Debuff sets can be slotted Caltrops = Targeted AoE, Slow Hack (Sting of the Wasp) = Melee, Defense Debuff, Accurate Defense Debuff Slash (Gambler's Cut) = Melee, Defense Debuff, Accurate Defense Debuff Disembowel (Soaring Dragon) = Melee, Defense Debuff, Accurate Defense Debuff, Knockback Placate = none Poison Dart = Ranged Head Splitter (Golden Dragonfly) = Melee, Defense Debuff, Accurate Defense Debuff, Knockback Blinding Powder = Confuse, ToHit Debuff, Accurate ToHit Debuff Hide = Defense Oni = Pet, Recharge Pet, Mastermind, Universal sets can be slotted Fire Blast = Ranged Fire Sword Slash = Melee Fire Sword Hack = Melee Fire Breath = Target AoE Ring of Fire = Ranged, Immobilize Char = Ranged, Hold Rain of Fire = Target AoE Snap Shot = Ranged Damage, Universal Aimed Shot = Ranged Damage, Universal Fistful of Arrows = Target AoE, Universal Of these limited options, in terms of single most useful investment options, I'm thinking that the following is true for damage related procs (the Pet Aura IOs fall into a slightly different category). Genin ... Overwhelming Force (6 of 6 attacks) and Soulbound Allegiance (6 of 6 attacks) procs My rationale here is relatively simple. There are 3 Genin (eventually). The Genin use LOTS of attacks. The recharge times on all of the Genin attacks is relatively short. This yields LOTS of opportunities for Overwhelming Force and Soulbound Allegiance to proc for you, under the Chuck Lots Of Dice! theory of usefulness. Jounin ... Achilles' Heel (4 of 9 attacks) As tempting as it is to slot Overwhelming Force into Jounin (for "Knock Trops") I honestly think you'll get a better return on investment out of Genin on the enforced KD proc ... and because Overwhelming Force is unique, if you can only put it in one place, I'm thinking that Genin is still the better option over Jounin. The ToHit Debuff sets are "interesting" as options, but given the slot pressure on the Ninja Pets specifically, since the Level 18 power doesn't let you mule Pet Set IOs (or ATOs) into it, I really feel like endorsing use of more than Achilles' Heel in Jounin (aside from Pet Aura IOs) will probably wind up being counterproductive. If you've got a "sapper build" Secondary however, use of Deflated Ego for the recovery debuff might make for an interesting choice if you're desperate to stack things together for that specific debuff purpose. (side note: does anyone know how long the Deflated Ego recovery debuff duration is?) Oni ... Overwhelming Force IF you're not going to put Overwhelming Force into Genin or Jounin but are still determined to slot the Overwhelming Force proc into a Ninja Pet. For the personal Ninja powerset attacks, the proc options for Snap Shot and Aimed Shot are just really lackluster, with the PPM formula really punishing this power (3.188 second animation plus recharge BASE). You'd need to have 20 PPM just to get to a 90% chance to proc on power use assuming no recharge reduction from slotting in the power (yeah, right). Tempest is really lackluster unless you've got a recovery debuffing secondary (and/or have your Jounin slotted with Deflated Ego) to blend it with. Entropic Chaos suffers the same problem. Decimation is wandering into the "what's your point" territory. Devastation offers a chance to Hold that will barely ever proc when slotted into Snap Shot under PPM rules. Apocalypse and Gladiator's Javelin at least offer damage procs, but again the chance of a proc per attack is going to be really low simply due to the animation+recharge time on Snap Shot when normalized for PPM. Winter's Bite looks interesting, but only as an alternative to the more expensive Purple set proc options. Pretty much the same thing applies for Aimed Shot as for Snap Shot ... the only difference is that Aimed Shot takes slightly longer to animate and recharge. Not a whole lot longer, mind you, but still longer nonetheless. Fistful of Arrows though is where it gets really interesting on proc options (ironically). I'd even go so far as to argue that putting an Achilles' Heel proc into Jounin and the Annihilation proc into Fistful of Arrows (for "double" Resistance debuffing opportunities) ALONE is making me want to add Fistful of Arrows to my Ninja Mastermind build(s). There is, of course, also Positron's Blast proc for Energy damage, while Javelin Volley offers Lethal damage in its proc. A curious additional option is the Knockdown proc from Ragnarok, for a chance to Knocdown, and/or the Frozen Blast proc for a chance to Immobilize. 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kelly Rocket Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Overwhelming Force in Jounin would be a much more attractive option if it weren't for one of the more curious vagaries of pet powers: The fact that pets cast at targets, never at the ground, and that any effects of a power expire instantly should the target die. So Jounin Caltrops often vanish within seconds. Because they cast them at a specific enemy, and then that enemy died. Poof, no more Caltrops. If they had Caltrops that works more normally, it'd work much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Myshkin Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 1:11 AM, Redlynne said: ... and because Overwhelming Force is unique, if you can only put it in one place, I'm thinking that Genin is still the better option over Jounin. Sudden Acceleration has a KB>KD IO in its set, and isn't Unique/Limited. So go nuts 🙂 Pylon Test Run Submission Proc Monsters (Controller Edition) Proc Monsters (Defender Edition) Pylon Test Run Results Proc Monsters (Tanker Edition) "Mad King Special" "Ceterum autem censeo Iram esse delendam" Mad King Special - Force Edition (NEW!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlynne Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) The difference is that Sudden Acceleration modifies powers that ALREADY have Knock in them so that the Knock MAG is limited enough to only be KnockDOWN. Sudden Acceleration does not ADD any Knock to a power that doesn't already have any. Overwhelming Force WILL ADD Knock to a power that doesn't have any Knock to it natively. So in a Pet attacks context, you want to put Overwhelming Force into Pets that have: A lot of attacks A lot of attacks with short recharge times (so they use them "often") Few attacks that do Knockback/down natively A lot of Pets get summoned for that Tier, resulting in a Chuck Lots Of Dice!! throughput maximizing the chances the proc will happen via multiplication By contrast, you'd want to put Sudden Acceleration into Pets that have: Multiple attacks with a KnockBACK (not KnockDOWN) component built into them already Edited July 26, 2019 by Redlynne Verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGSacho Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 9:11 AM, Redlynne said: <tl;dr ninjas suck> I agree with this assessment 😁 The slotting for jounin is brutal - they deal good dmg so you want to cap out their dmg, you also want an achilles heel proc, and they're the only ones really worth adding lady grey/siege breakers procs to. I struggled heavily slotting enforcers, and those don't have a looming threat of having to carry pet auras. Slotting procs into MM attacks isn't that bad, as long as your secondary (like /time) allows you to cycle through them reliably(unlike /dark or /traps). It's probably more worth it to slot a proc than boost the damage of an attack - some napkin math tells me that cycling aimed shot yields ~6 dps whereas without any global recharge you expect a 3.5 ppm at around 80 dmg proc to produce ~4.5 dps, so you'd be better off slotting a proc than a dmg IO. If you can 1) spare the skill slot and 2) spare the cast time, then it's not a bad addition to your build. Unfortunately "ranged damage" contains some of the worst sets for what MMs want, as you went over them. At least you can slot in something like explosive strike into dual wield. Necromancy gets some of the best in this regard - gloom has by far the highest DPA of all MM skills, and has a nice secondary effect to boot, AND its recharge is long enough that you're not stuck spamming it all the time to get the benefit out of procs. I would probably frankenslot that with a variety of procs, or maybe even go for a 5 siphon insight + 1 cloud senses, because siphon insight's set bonuses are sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmalltalkJava Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) On 7/16/2019 at 2:19 AM, kelly Rocket said: Oh god, all thosei Overwhelming Force procs... That's just freaking hilarious. ALL THE KNOCKDOWNS. Shame that, when I actually checked what could be slotted in Gang War, I realized that there aren't any damage procs that can be put in it 😞 Yeah, Does Soulbound Allegiance affect the pets? If so.. Imagine if the MM was a Thugs/Kinetics. Fulcrum Shifted Posse + Soulbound Chance for Build up + Overwhelming Force knockdowns. Would be fun to see. Edited August 2, 2019 by SmalltalkJava Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scientist Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just a note for any MMs looking at procs in secondaries, there is a thread on the Defender forum, "Proc Monsters, the New Offenders" where there is a lot of actual data on that, especially for Traps, which has a lot of odd "pet type" powers with unpredictable interactions with procs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoliy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I've been scratching my head on how to slot ninja pets. Still not sure lol. Thanks for the data/testing, I'll have to think through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 9:19 PM, SmalltalkJava said: Yeah, Does Soulbound Allegiance affect the pets? If so.. Imagine if the MM was a Thugs/Kinetics. Fulcrum Shifted Posse + Soulbound Chance for Build up + Overwhelming Force knockdowns. Would be fun to see. From what I've heard it's not difficult to cap damage with /kin, so that portion of the soulbound proc is wasted. Guides: Mastermind Epics | Dominator Secondaries | Suggestions: Mastermind Epic Overhaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlynne Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 5:21 PM, nicoliy said: I've been scratching my head on how to slot ninja pets. Still not sure lol. Thanks for the data/testing, I'll have to think through it. I'm rebuilding my Ninja Mastermind right now ... and this is what I'm planning on using: Level 1: Call Genin (A) Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage: Level 27 (3) Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 27 (3) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 27 (5) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown: Level 27 (7) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 10 (48) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up: Level 50 Level 12: Call Jounin (A) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage: Level 27 (13) Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance: Level 27 (13) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 27 (15) Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura: Level 27 (15) Mark of Supremacy - Damage: Level 27 (17) Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen: Level 27 Level 26: Oni (A) Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 27 (27) Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 27 (29) Mark of Supremacy - Damage/Endurance: Level 27 (29) Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 27 (31) Edict of the Master - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 27 (31) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 15 Set Bonuses: Mark of Supremacy (Call Genin) 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime) Overwhelming Force (Call Genin) 12% (0.4 HP/sec) Regeneration Call to Arms (Call Genin) 5% Defense Command of the Mastermind (Call Jounin) 2% DamageBuff(All) 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime) 10% Defense(AoE) Mark of Supremacy (Call Jounin) 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime) 10% Resistance(All), 100% (3.35 HP/sec) Regeneration Command of the Mastermind (Oni) 2% DamageBuff(All) Mark of Supremacy (Oni) 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime) Edict of the Master (Oni) 6% SpeedJumping, 6% JumpHeight, 6% SpeedFlying, 6% SpeedRunning 5% Defense Helps me reach +100% global recharge with the rest of the set bonuses in my build. +26.25% Recharge AND +20% Pet Defense ...? Yeah, I'm going to want that on a Ninja/Time/Mace build! I'm even using all 12 enhancements from both Mastermind ATO sets. 1 Verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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