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Well done getting surveillance off! I love the name of the power "beefy". When you're the only one in the labyrinth, it won't take long for the minotaur to find you - particularly if you stop to get a gladiator to talk with you - or fight you, or spend more than a few seconds standing still. I think if it hits as is, the best chance I'll have to explore what I want to explore and get the badges I'll want, it'll have to be on peak times when there are a lot more players in there. I do not envision much chance of success on a low-pop server. As it is, on Excelsior, without a competent group of players, beating the minotaur will be something two teams or more will probably have to do. But I don't know that for sure. His level at 54+6, just out of the gate..that's almost Really Hard Way Tyrant level. It'll take some cooperation, for sure. And it'll be a little easier because there won't be any crackles to avoid, but there won't be as much room to joust about either. I think these are potentially the types of "challenge" that some of the vocal minority want. I'm not sure why, but I don't need to know why. Other than the badges, I can't see myself engaging. Now, the maze itself, the ??? rooms, and omg - The server room. @lemming helped me find the server room. And in it, if I hadn't had the stun badges already, I probably would have earned one. That mapserver hits hard. But it stuns even more. The best thing about that is I got my costume turned green again. I wish I could make my own costume that kind of green. It never looks that way when I do so in the costume creator. But clearly, there's a lot of creativity in this effort. I just hope it's not a ghost town after the first week.

I agree with your suggestion here. I didn't have any real specifics on duration, but I did make this suggestion in the focused feedback thread. There were only 7 or so folks in the labyrinth when I was briefly on last night. Given my previous experiences solo, there's just not a lot for me to get out of it unless I resort to using the beta tester "I win" buttons. And I don't want to do that on the minotaur because that removes it from the zone for an hour, and another player might want that interaction. So, I definitely agree, the 5 minutes isn't the right duration for lower populated times. I don't know what the proper duration would be. But it isn't 5 minutes. At least, I don't think so.

Ugh...such an unsavory thing to suggest, but I'll suggest it anyway. Menu-options-windows: Look for the chat section: The reason I suggest it is so you can have a record of everything said. It might be easier to share with a GM than trying to type it all out by memory.

If the labyrinth appears this way to you, I don't think you've given it a fair look. So far, it has been different for me each time. Because the success or failure of other players can add level shifts to you and everyone else in zone, you can find yourself looking at a herd of level 54+1's and they con grey. But you missed the level 54+10 in the middle who kills you with one attack, seemingly. Maybe it was some DoT and I was just too slow to react. Either way - this might be "farmable" by a team of competent players. But, it's certainly not risk free, and the rewards are fairly low. Three reward merits for beating up a pinata that doesn't attack. But what's not in the fine print is while you're attacking this pinata, a level 54+11 minotaur wants to gore you. You can't just ignore a minotaur and tackle the pinata. The hp on this thing, I haven't checked, but you'll want your lore pets to help with dps. There's a lot more to this zone than your post suggests you're aware of. I'm not saying competent players won't use this as an option to increase the rate of influence or xp if they can - but there's absolutely nothing wrong with earning it. And you would earn it here doing something different than what we've been doing. Different in terms of content. Same in button mashing. But there's no real way around that.

This is 100% accurate for some players. It's a challenge, but I continually try to remind myself that the player behind the avatar might be an 8 year old kid. Most of us are likely on the older side of 45, just based on things I've read on the forums, discord and other chat channels in game. What's fun for an 8 year old is likely not going to be the same for someone on the darker side of 50. And yeah, some people are just stupid - and that includes the leaders. They do not know they don't know. They have no idea that there is something to know. Worse, they've managed to get to level 50 without being aware of it. And I'm not talking about something obscure like how to get to the gas station in Pocket D. An example might be how to get to Peregrine Island or Pocket D. My favorite was a player who had Portal Jockey at level 45, but had no idea (or claimed to) how to get to Peregrine Island - until they got there. They'd been there before, but they didn't know that's what it was called. Doesn't mean they couldn't make their character function with some degree of competence, it just means the details of some things weren't important to them, so they may lack terminology knowledge, or any number of other things. I look at it like taking a Calculus course. Calculus is challenging for most people. A smart student might be able to tutor 7 others into getting a passing grade. But if one of them hasn't taken Algebra before the class, it's going to be much harder. Unfortunately, because some gamers are talented, and very much so, there's no fair way of establishing a pre-requisite to increase your odds of success without excluding some of those very good players. This is where old Snarky is missing Cosmic Council. It was generally pretty clear from chat and badge count who knew what they were doing, and who would need extra instruction. And at least some of that instruction occurred over discord before the scheduled Master run took place. In a PUG, it's terribly difficult to set that kind of structure up. It would probably suck the fun of the game right out for Snarky, but since Cosmic is mostly dormant, if not dead, he might just as well set up his own group of blood suckers.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” ― John Lydgate

I guess I'm problematic. Mom will be so proud! The way I see it, the term as you define it is nebulous. Loose and malleable as needed by whom? For what? Hate to be a pain, I'm just trying to get smarter. No easy feat for me.

Opinions will definitely vary on this topic. There's right ways - the ways that work for whomever is doing them, there's wrong ways, and there's probably right ways done poorly, and wrong ways that work out through sheer luck or ignorance. Mine might be the latter. Meet Catabolic, an ice/rad brute on Indom. Cat has started the game with zero assistance from any of my alts, or anyone else - unless you count joining a league to clobber GMs in multiple zones as assistance. I do not do this particular practice of self-attuning, not even with a character that starts off broke. What I do is look for the cheapest IOs I can find that are closely related to what I want. And if I can't find them, I'm prepared to burn some converters. I do this mainly so I don't put influence in Yomo's pockets. He has enough already. So far, I haven't spent over 200k for a crafted IO. I did spend 3m on 3 different pvp recipes to get those "big three" taken care of. I do not recommend doing this until you understand the odds of converting an attuned Detonation into a Steadfast Resist/Def 3% (all). You can get lucky and get it within 10 converters. Or you can have expected results and take about 30. Maybe more. But 30*65K +200k is still going to be less than buying a patient bid of 3M for the attuned Steadfast Resist/Def 3% (all). When I make these decisions, I completely understand it might take me 60 converters. I'm prepared to take that risk, as I've had that same attuned detonation convert into an LotG7.5% on one conversion, and I've seen it enough to know that over time, things come out in the wash. You just have to have the stacks of converters high enough to sustain you through the crappy rng. And what is just an anecdotally based tip - not at all scientifically backed - if it takes more than 10 conversions (not converters, but conversions) STOP. Tab out for a moment. Watch a silly cat video. Get a drink. Something. Then return. The RNG will likely favor you now. I have done the old AH Attuning trick with some PvP IOs. I didn't like it, because when you're trying to do that with desirable IOs, invariably, someone else will buy them right out from under you. Maybe the very same price you were going to buy them from yourself for. And you can't jack up your price to keep people from buying it, because if it's too high, you end up buying someone else's IO. Then you have inf - which is great - but no IO - which is not good. It's really a bad plan if you ask me. If you've the expertise and patience to make it work for you, that's great. But it's not my way of doing things. I'd rather each character just use converters to get what's desired, rather than attune the crafted stuff I have through the AH. I have, at times, taken certain characters and sold certain IOs in a stack of 20 to 50. Then I'll re-purchase them in attuned form over the course of week and stash those in my base for alts to use. But, I just think it's more interesting for each character to use the market to outfit their respective build. ******************* No representation is made to suggest my way is "better" in any fashion than any other method of accumulating, generating or earning in-game influence. The word "Yomo" referenced above is used without permission, but we'll risk the lawsuit.

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Or something undesirable. Not that I expect a team of competent coders to raise their hands and scream out "Me! I'll do it!". Trust me when I tell you this: if it existed, people would like it. They may not like it at level 20 when they want to do a tf and the team lead is 50 and they get slammed because their level 20 build is insufficient vs level 50 mobs, but when they're level 50, they'll love it. At least, I think they will. Unless those level 50 powers for clockwork really suck - like that thing paladin does when he drains your endurance. Literally, it sucks.

Every time I see the word "balance" in reference to powersets and ATs, I immediately picture Ralph Macchio in a paddle boat standing on one leg trying to do a crane kick. This concept of balance needs proper definition so it means the same thing to everyone. Because your version of balance may not be balanced at all. And my idea of balanced is not on the level, I assure you.

So, it's no secret during the day, I work and play. Need to take a call? Tab out, take the call, come back. Because of this, I do not normally travel to any missions. I always use mission tp and team teleport. They are always recharged. Because I generally have to tab out during every mission. In the evening time, depends on if I've gotten the badges in that zone. If I have, I literally use base teleport, tab out and watch youtube until the mission tp is recharged. I see no point in not squeezing every inf worth of value out of these teleports. If I haven't gotten the badges, I'll zip around, get them and hustle to the mission door.

One of these days, just maybe....a TF/SF will scale to the level of the team lead, without respect to level range. Level 50, want to do a posi? I present you a level 50 Dr. Vahzilok to fight. Or, a level 50 simulacrom, depending on which posi you do. Want to do a synapse? Of course not - but if you're motivated by some sinister force to do it anyway, do it at level 50 and use judgement on those level 50 gears before they run away! I can dream about it, right?

The crazy thing, I was on Indom. I've been trying to be helpful, in a small sense. Just trying to help with GMs and such with addtional (if just slightly better than mediocre) manpower. There was no debate there. I didn't bother to argue. I just didn't have the energy. I also still feel like a visitor here. No sense in antagonizing some player I don't know over a question that can cause such a distraction, the player that asks the question leaves with more questions and confusions than they came there with. My old self would have made it clear - the content you do tends to determine which salvage you'll be using. Doing iTrials tends to encourage a player to use threads - because shards don't drop in iTrials. Doing TFs - you'll get both. I have a clear memory of getting t-3 in alpha on day 1 of being 50 by doing a TF train with K (I have no recollection of their global. Special K, maybe?) I took the shard component in lieu of reward merits, so it was a costly effort, but reward merits drop from the sky more cheaply than shards. Because of the cost of merits, it would be crazy to suggest that to a newer player. Still, I can't help but think players DID do just that on retail. I don't remember doing that, but it seems plausible. That doesn't mean it's the right advice of course. I just want a newer player to be told about both pathways if we're going to have two paths.

To be as transparent as I know how - I should have never made the suggestion. I was just so ....I guess the word is frustrated. I see a new player asking a question. Another player answers the question with such certainty with incomplete information, they do a dis-service to the newer player and anyone else asking the question. We're all different as people. So, it's certainly reasonable that we're going to play different content with chances of different rewards. But it's very time consuming and a bit challenging to relay this to a newer player who may not understand certain terms used or what part of the interface to use to accomplish certain things in help chat. What I'd love is for every player who wants to answer the inevitable question about Shards vs. Threads to recognize that not everyone is going to do Speed Lambdas repeatedly, with maybe a BAF thrown in to get their loot. They see the threads drop, particularly at specific vet levels. But they never explain to the new player that because there are 5 more incarnate slots that will only take threads, and you need 5x more threads than shards to make the same thing, it makes perfect sense that threads drop more than shards. What I should have suggested instead was the vet level 1 drop 10-20 shards for the t-1 alpha (if they don't have it already) Or something along those lines so the folks that are literally pushing threads over shards can finally recognize if a player has shards - why not use them? They just tell them to convert into threads. In some cases, absolutely, the right, efficient move. But in probably half the cases, it's a foolish move. And I hate referring players to information on the forums. (I'll do it, of course) Having to tab out and read is just not my idea of a good time while trying to play. I get that we all had to learn the game in some fashion by reading, but the more we can get in game, the better.

So, I'm on the outside, looking in, in a fashion. While I "know" (or more precisely, know of ) players that are in closed beta and have an ear, if not a voice on how/what decisions are made, I have a very clear recollection of them proposing a change of disabling the earning of emp merits in AE. This was proposed, in conjunction of them removing the option to convert emp merits into reward merits (and I'd further convert those reward merits into converters, and essentially farm converters for my own use). I made no secret about it - I thought it was fantastic for the player base, because at the time, I don't think maybe 5% of the players both understood and had the desire to craft and/or convert recipes into the more popular IOs for the player base. And, since I was in that space, and could see where competition was coming from, I feel more than qualified to say that. I certainly can't state specific values with certainty, but I do think it's fair to say not many players where doing this kind of thing. There were plenty that were curious, but ultimately most found it more easy to just sell their converters. I probably wrote a page and a half why I thought it was a bad move. And "they" kind of met me in the middle. I can still earn emp merits in AE - but I can't convert those emps into reward merits and consequently, into converters anymore. Fortunately, I can now use those stashed T-merits and "complete" certain characters without suffering through the same incarnate content for the 350th time. (Sometimes I'll do the content - but I have to really enjoy the character. And some characters just aren't as good in game as they seem to be in mids.) So, while I see where you're coming from, I don't think it's as black and white as I'm interpreting what you're writing. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so to speak. I do agree - they're not likely to change how they do things. While I agree that this term transparency has been stepped on a fair bit, I don't think it's intentional. On the one hand - why mention proposed changes when you aren't sure they're going to be implemented? On the other hand - why code proposed changes if you're at all unclear how the player base as a whole will react to it? That's where things become clear - we're guests. Not customers that have paid cash for time to play. They code those proposed changes (which could have been one of my suggestions, who knows? Or maybe one of yours!) because they are changes they want to see in the game. What we think about it is important, but to a lesser degree. So, I do kind of get where you're coming from. But I think the comment misses the mark a little. And, of course, that's just my perception. I could very easily be wrong.

Just maybe we could do away with shards, or increase their utility. Tired of the debate. It's like hitting my head on a wall trying to explain to people who are explaining incomplete options to new players. They swear they fill their slots faster with threads. I say, go with what the rng gives you. Sometimes, if you get enough shards, use them. Can we haz this? Please?

My times vary. I've been on the early-mid mornings and candidly - there's really not much fun in running around by yourself with your initial token level shift from Alpha. The shifts from defeating a fog only last 5 minutes, and it anecdotally takes me 2x as long to find another one. The minotaur - lately - has had an easier time finding me with the Malevolent Fog having |----| much health left. With 11 level shifts, he only hits for about 600 with his initial attack. But with just the alpha shift, it's pretty much instant defeat. His accuracy isn't that great, thankfully. But it's not the type of GM/AV you can ignore while focusing on something else. By design, no doubt. I've been on in the evenings, fairly consistently since the day after it hit. Just not for very long - maybe 30 minutes in the labyrinth, and 45 minutes with the marina secondary power set. I think the best time is to be on for the Labyrinth (on Excelsior, anyway) is in the evenings between 7pm and midnight central time. I don't know who's doing it - I've only teamed up once while in there - and it was pointless, as we were without focus, nor did we have a clue of what to do. We began fighting the minotaur. I was the only one with the special insp, as far as I know, but the Minotaur was 54+6, and the rest of us were 50+1. Maybe we started at +3 for a moment, but that didn't last long. So, if I were king for a day, I'd have two teams running in tandem, or a league, if that works in there, hunting the MFogs, and other EBs for level shifts. And when we got to 10, I'd have both teams hunting the minotaur (by remaining stationary) and then if successful in defeating it, break off and go looking for various secret spots and potential history/lore clues.

This is the kind of thinking that boggles my mind. It's a good idea - but I just don't think I'd ever think of it in a lifetime. This is part of the reason I come to the forums - aside from imagining Okie talking with a southern drawl - to read ideas that I wouldn't come up with.

I think many of us have gotten what we wanted in the past several pages. And we also got some things we didn't want. I recall when the instant base teleport that "Leaked" was disabled/taken away - and replaced with the current base teleport and lrtp options. At the time, I was annoyed, maybe even a little bit pissed. But now, I'm super happy with it. Like most changes, it just takes getting used to. It's super easy for someone like me to point out what I don't like and what I do like. To actually imagine what I'd like and articulate it, I really don't know I'm able to do that with any clarity. I know I want less reliance on external websites that aren't run by HC. I completely get that someone has to volunteer to do that kind of thing. I'm just worried how things might play out if HC wiki never updates beyond the current point. I know I want the Rogue Isles to be completely revamped to look like Praetoria. (the audio files may be kept, tho) No, I'm not serious with this one. But seriously: I know I want all contacts to stop offering hunt missions. Now that we have the labyrinth, there should never be a need to hunt anything in the open zones unless you just want to. I know I want all contacts to have a menu of their missions or story arcs in the same fashion that Lord Schweinzer lists the mayhem missions. And a note about how many reward merits the arc offers would be nice, too. (so I don't have to tab out and look it up on the wiki.) I want inf sinks. Like the ability to buy with inf extra storage for my base. The ability to buy with inf extra storage for my character. Like 1000 pieces instead of 182. Yeah, I know it's a burden on the server, but you asked. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing our current iTrials adjusted in some form or fashion to make things interesting. Not harder, but more interesting. As for what more interesting looks like, it could be Dr. Aeon breaking through the cut-scene and cracking a joke, to having Mother Mayhem come out and fussing about having to take care of things herself. Or in Underground, having Desdemona not requiring an escort - by having her tell us where to meet her later while she works on some rituals. As for powersets, I'm just not creative enough to come up with anything to test. I'd rather see the stuff we have now adjusted to be more player friendly/intuitive. Like Ranged/Targeted AoEs. I grasp that some powers a player might not want to drop on an npc target. So, my desire doesn't align with what those players would appreciate. When I tried Marine Affinity, ( I left feedback as such) there was a self-teleport, knock down, do damage power that I loved because I don't have to place a reticle. I end up executing the power on the npc I have targeted - without placing a reticle or using a macro to executed at my cursor or at my target. To me, they should all work like that. Or, perhaps something in options to let them work like that.

It's not my intent to defend "mr first post ever", but when they state "balanced around level 25 enhancements" (I took the liberty of correcting the spelling/word choice. No idea what an enchancement is), my guess is they are still working with level 25 enhancements. Hopefully basic IOs and not level 25 SOs that are now red and inert. No idea what their build is, but I'm guessing they're not using any sets or procs. It is a different game, really. Playing with just SOs requires more knowledge and experience, I believe, to have a similar experience as a player with IOs and Set bonuses.

Last night, a gladiator mentioned they got their power from the motes...6 motes, I think. Possibly 7. And that "even you might be able to siphon some of the power". I suppose that mystery will be revealed when the time is right. (Side note: mote is a particularly obscure word. I haven't seen it anywhere outside of the Bible, in reference to something in the eye. Kudos for using it.) I've been trying to keep an eye out for the gladiators and the malevolent fogs. Figured if I saved up 4-5, I might be able to get out of the fog...but even with the insp active, that utility is very brief. Maybe 5-6 seconds. And it was a bit saddening that I couldn't speed-phase through the maze. I need to take one of my tp characters in there and see how that plays out.

The level shifts inside the labyrinth are interesting. As I understand it - the level shifts I have at one moment are earned by other players in the zone, in addition to the ones I earn for defeating a malevolent fog. I was thrown off by my first experience with the shifts, because I started at 10 shifts. It seemed odd that a 54+6 (or so) boss was surrounded by level 54+1 mobs. Typically, if I'm 5 levels above a minion, I can one shot them. That doesn't seem to be the case here for whatever reason. I'm relying on color, rather than the level ranks, because I don't want to take off my socks to do the math required. Entering the labyrinth earlier yesterday, I had no shifts. I look around for fogs to earn more shifts. But they are only temporary. 5 minutes if I'm recalling correctly. So, time of day (and the resulting population and objectives/goals of those other players) is going to factor in the shifts and how much fun/interest there is going to be for anyone that's there. I think an experience like this, if people want to get the most out of it - they're going to need to rely on groups. The lower populations are going to struggle with this, I think. I have no idea what a solution could be or would be, and I could certainly be wrong, but I don't see this getting a lot of play on those servers. The Malevolent Fogs (pinatas) seem to be randomly placed, which is fine, as it encourages explorations. Same with the gladiators. The problem with the gladiators is they are also randomly placed and the ability to fight them is also somewhat random. I think if you're within a 2-3 shifts of what they are, the potential to fight them should be a higher percentage. I only say that because I'm thinking of the badge. Anecdotally, I've had poor luck getting the option to fight them. I might rethink that if they spawn at 54+10 while I'm 50+1. I guess what I'm hoping for is more of a chance to tackle them while having somewhat of a challenge, but not a level playing field. I am thinking it might be better to increase the duration of earned shifts while the population of the zone is less than X, whatever fair value X might be. Maybe it's 8, or 10. Or 5. But if you're in a low population labyrinth, it might be helpful to have a little more duration.

Change is scary. But as much as I usually hate adapting to change, I reluctantly recognize that to change nothing will result in tedium and boredom for everyone, eventually. So, I appreciate the sacrifice of time, even if I don't always appreciate each change. The one thing about the labyrinth - a word that I rely heavily upon spell check to type out accurately - the place is interesting. I've never had the same experience there. Each time it's a little different.

No idea if it needed confirming, but I did confirm Just to add my perception of this peculiar zone: I've been here 4 times on 3 characters. Each time the experience has been different. Some times it's easier to find the gladiators..at least, anecdotally, my blasters seemed to have a radar for them. My brute and tank...not so much. No matter what door my brute or tank took, I could NOT find myself in the foggy maze. I found this odd, when the first time I was in there, it seemed like every other door led to the foggy maze. I did recognize that the click area is not the portal itself, but the platform it's on - at least, that's how it looks on my screen. So no further worries there, thanks for the tip. I also found this! Thank you! No idea if it was there the whole time and this is the first time I noticed it, but it's so useful to just port there instead of going there through the zones to get the club.

I have also come Down with the Cygnus. It was such a strange thing. I like to look out for league leaders; so I gave them a free PL. (I rarely allow anyone on my farm maps. But, If I know they know what they're doing, I don't mind so much) Then the next day, they're leading me (and others) on an MoUGT. (successful)