Solarverse

You are a man/woman after my own heart. Your play style and mine would match perfectly. Your stance on this subject also mimics mine perfectly. I wish more players would see where we are coming from on this, but sadly it does not seem they do. It seems that "anything goes, just deal with it" is the new gamer's way these days. You and I are clearly of the old school unwritten rules of MMO gaming. Problem is, those old school rules didn't sem to pass down to the next generation of gamers very well and we are looked at as "militant."

If I looked in to it deeper though, even without my initial request to the player, just by asking the team if they are okay with it would also imply my discontent to the way said player is playing. So how would one find out if this players is meshing well with the team without making my opinion obvious? That could get very tricky. It almost reminds me of my job. My job is to troubleshoot and analyze RF signals to modems and cable boxes in order to determine a problem with their functionality. However, if I find the issue is with the modem and not the signals to that modem, and if a customer owns their own modem (use this as an example as a player going against the grain of the rest of the team) and I determine that our systems are working as intended, I am not permitted by our company to tell the customer that their modem is the cause of their issues. I have to dance around that subject and hope they themselves come to that conclusion, without me stating it. Trust me, those are insanely tricky conversations to have with a customer. I believe having this conversation with the team could be equally tricky with a team concerning a player. No matter how you ask the team, it's going to seem I am trying to coerce them in to seeing things my way. Now keep in mind, this is only if I look in to this too hard. Personally, I find most people say what they think with or without my input.

Your point is not backed by evidence. I may be wrong, but neither one of you can prove your points without a controlled testing environment.

Meh, I didn't see it that way. However, I'm more of a face value kind of guy and I tend not to read too much in to things. But I hear ya.

No. under no circumstance do I, nor shall I berate anyone for using a power in game or even using it against the team's wishes. Nope. Huh? First, if my team is all about the knock back, then I don't care. If the Tank is fine with it, the blasters are fine with it and the Trollers are fine with it, then why should I care? This whole thread I have repeatedly stated that I will only kick players who go against the grain of the "team." I have made this stance several times. Now, this is hypothetical...but if I build the team from scratch, and I don't know any of the players on that team, then I will make a suggestion/request for the player to not knock back targets away from the Tank. If the player refuses or ignores me, I will then ask the team as a whole, "Hey team, he seems pretty set on knocking mobs, is everyone okay with this?" If the team does not reply (which is about half the times) then I do nothing. The player is not kicked and the team continues on. However, if the team responds with the stance they are annoyed by it, then the player in question gets another request to please be more team friendly. If the player continues, then they are gone. If it is a team I built that consisted of SG/Friends/Coalition, then there is no open question. I already know their stance on scattered mobs and don't need to ask. The player in question will be asked nicely to play team friendly, if said player refuses, they are gone. Hahaha! I won't be doing any of that, lol. Covered this up there. ^

Haha, nice. Cool thanks!

Awesome news! Thank you!

Because a lot of times, my teams have my SG mates or Coalition mates on them, and we all have similar play styles. Before I invite other players to any of my teams, I always ask Coalition, SG and friends first. No strawman here. I'm not saying I have never strawmanned...it's easy to do, especially when I misunderstand somebody. However, if I had strawmanned and you called me out on it, I would admit it. Wrong. If there is a person on the team that does not wish to play with the team instead of against it, it is them that is going to leave...not my other teammates. As my favorite character of all time once said, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one." I commend you for this. The person who creates the team does indeed have the right to get rid of any player who is trolling the team. If you are being disruptive to the team in any way, and after asked nicely to refrain from being disruptive in any way, it is by my right to dismiss you from the team. It is your opinion vs mine...and since I am the one leading the team, my opinion on this subject overrules yours. All other opinions are considered. I do not vilify anyone for using any powers in game. That is your assumption. I vilify people who take the stance that their singular needs outweigh the needs of the seven other players on the team...and I do this rightly so. I agree. If you chose to accept and adapt, then you will have no issues adapting to the team, not expecting the team to adapt to you. If I join a team that seems fond of knocking everything back, that's when I ask the leader if I can switch to a Mastermind. Then I join in the knock back fun, since my Pets don't care if mobs are scattered. I adapt, I do not expect the whole team to stop knocking back just because of me, I adapt and I continue on. If I am not feeling the knock back style they are playing, I finish said mission, then excuse myself from the team without any complaints. I adapt just fine.

KB to KD, dude. Not sure just how much more clear I can be than that. Which makes me realize that you were not teaming with me that day. None of my characters has Knock Back, I cannot be anymore clearer than that. I don't attempt to control anyone. Either we mesh well or we do not. I don't hold ill will toward anyone over it. I am always open to hear new ideas. Players give me suggestions all the time, some that are pretty good ones and I change to accommodate. It all depends on the suggestion and how it affects the team. If I politely ask that you do not knock back mobs away from the Tank, and instead use your Knock Back to knock Mobs toward the Tank, and you refuse to do so and continue to piss off the entire team because you like watching mobs explode and scatter all over the room, then yes...you are a bad. Anyone who plays against the grain of the team that they joined, a team that somebody else put together, and when asked nicely if you would stop...and you refuse, that indeed makes you a bad, and you will be viewed as a borderline troll. I have the same attitude. However, if they are on MY team, one that I created and took the time out to form, and their play style goes against the team's and makes life hard for players on my team, and you refuse to stop...you can play elsewhere. It's really that simple. Play the way you want to, and let my team play the way we want. If the way you want, interferes with the way we want, we have a problem...and one of us has to go. I sure as hell won't be kicking my whole team just to accommodate you. I'm not dropping my own team, dude... P.S. I never once reported somebody over it, you are confusing me for somebody else. I don't punish them either. Not once have I said that.

This right here is the wisest statement made in this entire thread.

I strongly disagree, but okay.

That's interesting, because I don't have KB on any characters...at all. I slot a KB to KD I.O. in every power that has KB. So unless you are talking about Hurricane, which I stay far in the back of groups with that and use it only to push mobs back to the Tank, then you are completely wrong. I don't tell people how to play...I make a request of them. Huge difference. Spite or not, probably best if this is how you play. I would have most likely ended up kicking you if you actually have this same attitude in game as you display on these forums. Regardless of your reasons, it sure as hell doesn't hurt my feelings. I'm not a fan of bads being on my teams. Strawman....again. I never once said I was going to quit. How does this pertain to the topic anyway? You bringing up some other topic that has nothing to do with this one, then using a strawman argument is exactly the type of reply I have come to expect from you...good job at being predictable.

Working as intended. Inspirations will only affect you, not Tornado. The reason for this is because Tornado is not written in code as a power, it is instead written in as a temp pet. So since Inspirations only affect the user and not the user's pets, it will have no effect on Tornado.

So wait, did he kill Echoi? Or did Echoi get the better of him?

Straw man much? I supported you on the GF in the way you had used it, goof ball. What I do not support is your attitude that you shouldn't have to tell people that you plan to use it before joining a group with people. Your attitude with that is what I am arguing against, not your use of the power... P.S. He blocked me in game, not the forums. It was beneficial to him and myself, since it is very obvious we would not mix well on a team. I am pretty sure that block was not done out of spite or meanness. I sure didn't take it that way.

You think most agree with you? Really? Also, anyone who plays like you ignoring me is a huge plus. Spread the word! My play style does not offend anyone...like at all. Yours on the other hand...

You go right on ahead and keep doing you, boyyyyy! You'll have the whole server ignoring you in no time!!!

You seem to take such pride in what you did to them. You even admitted that you knew that you were being disruptive to their goals in the co-op zone. I guess congrats? When I read their story, I tried putting myself in both yours and his shoes. To you, you did nothing wrong. You took advantage of their work and got you a few kills. You probably figured taking a few kills here and there wouldn't hurt anything, but as you can see, it set forth a domino effect that did indeed hurt people. You were the root cause of this and you played the rules of the game to your advantage. And instead of placing these people on ignore, like you should have, you chose to take revenge and report them, in hopes of getting them banned...and according to your story, it worked. It would seem as though you are quite proud of that accomplishment. In their eyes, you were trolling them. They tried asking you to stop, you refused, which made them think even more that your true intent was to troll them. So naturally, the spoke before they thought, and berated you. They were wrong for doing this, and even more so for ganging up on you. However, I don't think that bothered you as much as you let on, because you used that against them and reported them, which in turn got them banned. You could have just as easily understood why they were so upset, and simply placed them on ignore and went about your day. Curious...why didn't you? I hope that I am wrong in believing that you chose to report them instead so that you could further disrupt them out of spite? As of right now, this is what I believe...which gives me a very low opinion of you. However, I am willing to accept the possibility that you had no intentions of them losing their accounts, and didn't wish any ill will against them... My conclusion, you started that mess, you set forth the momentum by interfering with their group effort, and you could have handled that way differently. They should have known better, because there are always vindictive people in online games. They should have known better than to even take it past requesting that you stop. Once they crossed that line, they left themselves open for your terror. Both of you are at fault here, however, I feel that you started the crap with a snide grin on your face. This is where you are wrong, I don't dictate anything to anyone. I make a request of them. It is completely up to them if they wish to play nice or not. If they do not play nice, I have the option to remove them and so I do. Once again you are playing straw man with me and putting words in to my mouth, and attacking those words instead of actually engaging in a conversation with me about things that I actually did say. Once again, I am sure some are fooled by your straw man tactics. So good job. Odd, that sounds exactly like a dictatorship... This statement shows me that you clearly have no clue about how the mechanics of this game works, not to mention is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Which was the point of this thread... Take a breath and settle down there, Bevis! That was a long winded multi topic sentence. The only person engaging GM's is the disgruntled and vengeful player who was kicked. Also, that was not a direct comparison. In no way did I insinuate that playing badly was on the same level as a murderer. Nice straw man though. I'm sure some readers will be fooled by it. You can be snide all you like, it changes nothing. If I build the team, I reserve the right to remove you from the team if you are being disruptive. Like it or not, make fun of it if you like, it changes nothing. I agree. This forum has had me flabbergasted and laughing the whole way. Very amusing the way people can justify their disruptive antics. One thing I have learned, people will justify anything...anything at all, even when they know that everyone else knows that they are wrong. Absolutely comical!

Good to know. Now we can both play the game and have fun without ever risking a situation where the immovable object meets the unstoppable object. Again, no hard feelings and none taken. 🙂

Tell that to the rules guy up there...

You do realize talking about GM actions against players are against the rules, right? Especially when it concerns a ban made by a GM.

All I can say is do what you do best and report me and move on. For somebody who is so drilling about rules, I would think playing on a team that requires you to be team friendly would be a very easy rule to follow.

If this is how somebody feels, then they are free to start their own teams. However, it would seem a good majority of players are more than happy to sit around and wait for somebody else to do all the work of forming a team...so they sit...and wait...and wait, until I or somebody else puts one together. So yes, if I form the team, I fully expect each and every player on my team to be team friendly. If they are not team friendly, they can go play somewhere else. It's really that simple. While you may be of the opinion that players like myself are "mean people," I am of the opinion that player who refuse to change their playstyle to fit the team are selfish people...either that or they are just straight trolling the team to see how annoyed they can make players on that team. Key word here is 'team.' There is no 'I' in team. Just made up crap, eh? Want to know what I find as crap? Players who join a team, frustrate the team with a solo mindset and disrupt the team's strategies, all because people feel like if they join somebody else's team, they should be allow to disrupt the otherwise smooth tactics, all because of an entitlement personality. And trust me, if you or anyone like you have ever been removed from my teams for being disruptive and choosing not to play well with the group, you will only ever have the displeasure of being kicked in the middle of a mission but just once. I add a 1 star to that player's account, and if by some chance I ever invite you again, I will see that 1 star, read the notes I have on you, and remove you before the team even sees the first mission. No hard feelings, but we just don't see eye to eye on proper team etiquette, and I'll save you and myself the trouble of having to suffer an unsatisfactory experience on my teams by giving you my in game account name, @Solarverse. It would probably be best if you place me on a list so that you never have to endure the not so pleasant experience of being removed from the team. No hard feelings, just a huge gap in playstyles.

Good closing statement. I'll give you a like for that.