A Formal Request

[Rylas]

Just now, tafilr said:

Ah, OK, I see.  So the Mid's builder is wrong.  

 

I need to go and revamp slotting on my Energy Draining Brute.  

No, you had them right. For a Brute. But as a Tanker, they would be higher. That's why the argument is being made that it's too good. On a Tanker. 

[Rylas]

2 minutes ago, Vanden said:

What do you mean they would be higher on a Tanker? Tankers shouldn't have any easier a time saturating targets vs. Brutes, unless you mean with the AoE buffs being tested on Pineapple.

I was quoting you to answer @tafilr's question. 

[Hyperstrike]

1 hour ago, Haijinx said:

Looking back at it, it was not clear at all you were approaching it from the "EA would be OP" side.  

 

 

I apologize for my abject lack of declaratory loquaciousness.

😉

 

[Hyperstrike]

10 minutes ago, Vanden said:

What do you mean they would be higher on a Tanker? Tankers shouldn't have any easier a time saturating targets vs. Brutes, unless you mean with the AoE buffs being tested on Pineapple.

Tanker modifiers are...Tanker modifiers.

[Vanden]

Just now, Hyperstrike said:

Tanker modifiers are...Tanker modifiers.

The numbers Rylas quoted were with the Tanker modifiers. It doesn't matter anyway, they explained what they meant by it.

[Hyperstrike]

So we're all in agreement now?

All Brutes must be deleted with extreme prejudice!

YAY!

😉

[Haijinx]

All Tanker def sets are going to soft cap their non hole types.  

 

Not sure how energy drain is OP here.  Since with just a few IOs you won't even need it.  

 

I barely ever use it on my stalker even.  

 

[Myrmidon]

4 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

No.  I'm saying, with Tanker modifiers, EA is likely to come across overpowered compared to ALL sets.

When Energy Aura first came out, there was no way that I would touch that set without an aggro aura. Once it was updated, I always wanted to give it a go, however, I was waiting on a port to Tankers. This thread has once again interested me enough in the set that I now have an EA Brute sitting at level 1 for the mandatory Miracle/Numina unique combo (I don’t even look at a character without at least those sitting in it’s enhancement tray from the start).

 

Thanks for the input, everyone. I still want to see a Tanker version, however, I’ll finally give the Brute version a go.😁

[Myrmidon]

1 hour ago, Haijinx said:

All Tanker def sets are going to soft cap their non hole types.  

 

Not sure how energy drain is OP here.  Since with just a few IOs you won't even need it.  

 

I barely ever use it on my stalker even.  

 

Looking at the Brute build that I just made,  it mostly looks like an Incarnate-level or “OH ****!” ability (or an excellent way to mostly disregard that Rage crash).

[Myrmidon]

2 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

So we're all in agreement now?

All Brutes must be deleted with extreme prejudice!

YAY!

😉

 

[Haijinx]

10 minutes ago, Myrmidon said:

Looking at the Brute build that I just made,  it mostly looks like an Incarnate-level or “OH ****!” ability (or an excellent way to mostly disregard that Rage crash).

My stalker isnt capped for Neg, so ill hit it when running ahead on COT and so on.  

 

Also if i take a couple hits in a ITF ill hit it to take care of def debuffs.  

 

I'm actually leveling a new EA stalker, I'm considering throwing the chance for stun end mod proc in there.

[Myrmidon]

5 minutes ago, Haijinx said:

 

I'm actually leveling a new EA stalker, I'm considering throwing the chance for stun end mod proc in there.

When my SG mates wonder why I spend so much time in the forums, ideas like this are one of the reasons.😁

[Hyperstrike]

1 hour ago, Myrmidon said:

Looking at the Brute build that I just made,  it mostly looks like an Incarnate-level or “OH ****!” ability (or an excellent way to mostly disregard that Rage crash).

 

Rage crash?  What Rage...OH CRAP!  I'm only down to Incarnate Soft Cap!  THE END IS NIGH!

[Linea]

Kat/Ena Brute with a Rune/Hybrid/Rune/Kitchen Sink Build

 

 

Top I can do all day

Bottom is me being a little silly, you can ignore that one. (I can do that almost all day too, but for balance purposes it should be ignored)

Psi hole is an issue, and it's the only thing keeping the set from being ludicrous.

Yes, this is an extreme example, but testing extreme examples is what I consider fun.  Bio, RadA, EnA all get gold stars.  Inv,  SD, ...  get silver stars,  etc.

 

 

Here's an older one from my archives.  Not sure what's different here, but I'd guess a different Alpha.   It's too old for me to remember.  I'd have to get back on test and try to duplicate it to figure it out.

Edited October 16, 2019 by Linea

[Haijinx]

Is this with overload?  Or just with Energy Drain?

 

If its just Drain, then mids/pines is way off.

[Rylas]

1 hour ago, Haijinx said:

Is this with overload?  Or just with Energy Drain?

 

If its just Drain, then mids/pines is way off.

I think this is on the high end of IO build performance. So, not something I'd consider a valid argument for EA being overpowered or too good.

[Haijinx]

1 hour ago, Rylas said:

I think this is on the high end of IO build performance. So, not something I'd consider a valid argument for EA being overpowered or too good.

Yeah idk, ive never seen numbers like that on my softcapped, perma hasten stalker build.

 

 

[Myrmidon]

God Damn.

 

I get the feeling that this is a tad more clicky than I would want to play long-term.😁

[Linea]

Overload is not in the brute build, and overload would not be perma, ever.  Overload could make silly ludicrous, but given the current defense numbers I'd rather have more resist.

I've given almost all the armors this treatment. The one armor that I broke worse than any other was EnA.  I highly recommend Bio (heal armor), Rad (resist armor), and EnA (defense armor).

 

Balance set based on Linea Build: NO!   . . .    balance should be primarily around SOs, with tertiary consideration to IOs.  However, you can't ignore IOs entirely either.

I need to look at this very carefully before just tossing it onto tanks with higher defense modifiers: Yes, definitely.

 

Stalker Version, much tamer.  However, I built it for it's 500 ST DPS offense, not defense.

Edited October 17, 2019 by Linea

[Haijinx]

Is this with barrier?  

 

My build is more like 50 S/L def and resist.  And I did pick a lot of resist bonuses.  

 

In combat.  Since Hide changes.

[Purrfekshawn]

On 10/15/2019 at 4:59 PM, Captain Powerhouse said:

Short answer: the set wont be ported as is. It's defenses are too high, Energy Drain's +Def is too much, so that power likely has to be replaced with something else for the tanker version, at minimum.

 

A little? Energy Drain should had never been changed from a heal to +defense.

Energy Drain could be replaced to Power Drain power - which is technically Power Sink copypaste, that power is available for Energy Aura Sentinels. Everything else can be left as it is.