Praetorian Epic Archetype: The Olympian - Kryptonian-style AT

[Rigged]

I posted this suggestion in the Beta feedback forum regarding the proposed Rage changes to Super Strength, but I think it will inevitably get lost in the 25 page thread, so I am putting it here where it actually belongs.

 

Please consider an EAT called "Olympian", a human imbued with Tyrant's power of Zeus. In game, we meet one in the Dark Astoria arc and fight them in the Maria Jenkins arcs and the Magisterium trial. They're likely clones, but we could easily have Neuron or Antimatter (or even perhaps praetorian versions of Arachnos mad scientists) create a new range of Olympians having the power infused into volunteers.

 

The idea is a Super Strength style AT not tied to the Rage mechanic, that can also get the cool eyebeams Olympian 29 uses (they're Beam Weapon graphics coming from eyes). Like all EATs, Olympians should cross the AT roles, being offtanks (no punchvoke), have melee and range attacks, and damage mitigation toggles (invuln-style). Their level 32 attack should be the Hammer of Zeus, Statesman's iconic nuke. Perhaps their secondary could get Fly as a native (not inherent) power and possibly leadership toggles like VEATs.

 

Why this archetype? Many players don't concern themselves with cute mechanics like Rage. I think lots of people would be happy to play a punchy superman-type with heat vision, having naturally high damage attacks without the Rage mechanic - Olympians should get Build Up instead. It would also be an opportunity to use newer punch animations instead of the really old ones that go back all the way to I0, which would be hard to propagate to SS tankers/brute.

 

Lore-wise, it is clear that Paragon Studios focused a lot on the Power of Zeus in the Signature Story Arcs, possibly building up some future story content - content that we are unlikely to ever experience now that the old writers are gone. But Homecoming can use the lore introduced - Olympians can be made possible (or reach new heights of power, or perhaps have gained self-awareness instead of being mindless slaves) from the Power of Zeus released in Signature Story Arcs 1 & 2. 

 

This feels like an alternative to the difficult Rage/Super Strength changes, or serve as a possibility for those of us who don't want to be tied to the Tanker/Brute ATs, or who want to use Eyebeams as a primary attack mechanism. At the same time it can enrich the lore and make use of the loose ends from the Signature Story Arcs.

 

Please consider!

 

Edit: I should clarify that part of the reason I suggested this is because changes to Super Strength and Rage are currently undergoing some controversy, because 1) they're at odds with i24 purity, 2) lots of people hate the Rage crash and lots of others want to keep it for balance, 3) Some want to keep doublestacking Rage and others want it gone, 4) Super Strength gains a disproportionately large benefit from recharge bonuses from IO sets.

 

This is in fact how we got Willpower: People wanted Regen to work, while other wanted it to be unchanged. Paragon Studios solved this by making a very very similar set.

 

This way those of us who want to SMASH! can do so without silly crashes or Rage, while those who want to jump through the i23 hoops to squeeze out extra performance from SS can do so.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Rigged

[biostem]

Can you elaborate upon how this would differ from simply rolling one of the melee ATs.  Could you clearly lay out an example of their primary and/or secondary.  Cheers!

[Haijinx]

I don;t know if gold side is popular enough for an EAT 

 

However if it was Id suggest making them based on Resistance Fighters, and on TEST/PPD

 

 

[boggo2300]

plus you can't 50 in Praetoria

 

though I suppose they have removed the restrictions on that for the EAT's and VEAT's as well, would that make this a PEAT?

[Crysta Clear]

Resistance archetype, yes please! Especially if it comes with their neat special energy pistols!

[Rigged]

9 hours ago, biostem said:

Can you elaborate upon how this would differ from simply rolling one of the melee ATs.  Could you clearly lay out an example of their primary and/or secondary.  Cheers!

What both Khelds and VEATs both have in common is bring able to fit into one of several different roles in the game. To elaborate: Tank, ranged damage, melee damage, buff (VEATS), pets (Crabs) and control (Warshades). The Olympian has both ranged and melee powers in their primary, and a bunch of invuln-style powers, mixed with flight and possibly leadership, in their secondary.

 

For an inherent may I suggest a reverse version of the Peacebringer inherent: instead of buffing yourself with whatever your teammates are weakest at, you grant them a buff for whatever they are weakest at. (Or perhaps the Warshade one might do as well, enhancing your teammates at what they do best).

 

One other thing I might bring up is that this is also meant to be what many were hoping would be the old Incarnate AT, which the old devs eventually turned into the Incarnate system. But this way we also get to call back to Statesman's powers, especially since he was removed from the game.

 

8 hours ago, Haijinx said:

I don;t know if gold side is popular enough for an EAT 

 

However if it was Id suggest making them based on Resistance Fighters, and on TEST/PPD

 

 

I don't think the popularity of goldside matters. Right now there's no requirement for Khelds or SoAs, and even if you wanted to put one in, goldsiders will eventually have to migrate to blue or redside. 

 

Also, I have no objections to resistance EATs or other Praetorian EATs, but this one is my suggestion.

[Llewellyn Blackwell]

2 hours ago, Rigged said:

What both Khelds and VEATs both have in common is bring able to fit into one of several different roles in the game. To elaborate: Tank, ranged damage, melee damage, buff (VEATS), pets (Crabs) and control (Warshades). The Olympian has both ranged and melee powers in their primary, and a bunch of invuln-style powers, mixed with flight and possibly leadership, in their secondary.

 

For an inherent may I suggest a reverse version of the Peacebringer inherent: instead of buffing yourself with whatever your teammates are weakest at, you grant them a buff for whatever they are weakest at. (Or perhaps the Warshade one might do as well, enhancing your teammates at what they do best).

 

One other thing I might bring up is that this is also meant to be what many were hoping would be the old Incarnate AT, which the old devs eventually turned into the Incarnate system. But this way we also get to call back to Statesman's powers, especially since he was removed from the game.

 

I don't think the popularity of goldside matters. Right now there's no requirement for Khelds or SoAs, and even if you wanted to put one in, goldsiders will eventually have to migrate to blue or redside. 

 

Also, I have no objections to resistance EATs or other Praetorian EATs, but this one is my suggestion.

Well it stands to reason if it was an EAT tied to praetoria people would have to begin in praetoria to play one just like how you cant create a peacebringer in praetoria to begin with. I am not opposed personally as I have nothing against praetoria and frankly want more people to take the time to enjoy it as the superior starting option.

 

So yeah Im all for an Olympian that would use the coolest punch animations for melee attacks, a few cool beam rifle style blasts from the eyes, I think the 2ndary should be a blend of will power, invuln, and regen though the wht from which would certainly take some fine tune tweaking.

 

The resistance could be something like a new blaster esque style, maybe a blend of beam rifle and assault rifle for the primary, and dual pistols/traps/devices/ heck maybe even a touch of MM with a few resistance allies. Id love to see one with like all the different grenade powers in the game as a single power set as another possible example.

[Itikar]

I really liked the Olympian story-line in the Praetorian loyalist arc, and I think the idea of Praetorian epic archetypes is simply wonderful. Given there's two sides in them perhaps a resistance archetype could be nice, or, if one wants archetypes not tied strictly to the factions something like a seer or a resistance veteran would be cool.

 

Another idea could be to have them have a specialization that leans toward the Loyalist and the Resistance respectively, with different mechanics. Kinda like the VEATs, except the two options have different alignment and flavors. Like you start as Praetorian army vet which is essentially a blapper (just an example) and can either choose the resistance power option to focus on your ranged stuff or the Praetoria Police to focus on your melee stuff.

 

Very good concept. And even more better because of the fact this idea would make people enjoy the awesome Praetorian content more often.

[Megajoule]

No.  Fix basic SS instead.  (And by "fix", I mean "get rid of Rage, especially stacked Rage, as a set-defining mechanic/power.")

We shouldn't have to reroll, or create a whole new AT, just to have a better version of Super Strength.

 

We also should avoid ATs designed specifically to emulate a particular trademarked character. 

(Even though, I acknowledge, that character - by virtue of his iconic status - already has plenty of knockoffs, homages, parodies etc.  We don't need to add to that, especially considering the new Code of Conduct.)

What's next?  the Spider-Dude AT?  Metal Armor Guy?  Fleidermaus?

Edited October 27, 2019 by Megajoule

[Steampunkette]

I actually like the idea of an Olympian Archetype. However, it shouldn't have Laser Beam Eyes. Go with the Lightning and the big hits.

 

But don't make it the Superstrength Powerset. Use some of those animations, sure, but it needs to be it's -own- powerset.

 

How about we mingle the Melee and Ranged without straight up Lightning? Do things like a "Handclap Cone" where you slam your hands together to send out a shockwave of force. Ditch the idea of a straight up Footstomp clone, and make it a ground-punch that sends broken-ground toward enemies before flinging them up in the air.

 

Then make the Lightning Powers a -visual option-. A Power Customization thing where instead of cracks heading across the ground you're sending lightning cracking forward. Or instead of Hand-clapping out a shockwave of air, you do a big hand-clap cone of lightning that sparks between you and your targets, briefly.

 

Maybe we could even make it play like Dual Pistols and change the damage type between Smashing (Which gets a bonus to the total damage done), Lightning (which changes the damage type and adds a -end component), and maybe Fire or Darkness to play into different TYPES of Olympians (Mars, Pluto, Jupiter, Etc)

[Myrmidon]

I would say more like an Eternal than a Kryptonian.

[Itikar]

3 minutes ago, Steampunkette said:

I actually like the idea of an Olympian Archetype. However, it shouldn't have Laser Beam Eyes. Go with the Lightning and the big hits.

One of the powers the Olympian you face in the Praetorian arcs has is, go figure, precisely laser beam eyes. When I faced him it seemed one of the powers he used most often, so I guess it's pretty iconic for the Olympian concept.

[Steampunkette]

1 minute ago, Itikar said:

One of the powers the Olympian you face in the Praetorian arcs has is, go figure, precisely laser beam eyes. When I faced him it seemed one of the powers he used most often, so I guess it's pretty iconic for the Olympian concept.

Eh. It's a power they have. But due to recharge time, ranges, and scripting it's gonna come up more often than others.

 

Statesman was, after all, a Superman Clone with the numbers filed off. And Superman, himself, is just an attempt at Modern Greco-Roman Myth. Swap Krypton with Olympus and Supes becomes your general Demigod fighting monsters and evil kings like Darkseid and Lex Luthor.

 

Personally I feel like Laser Eyes was the -least- fitting power they could've given Statesman, but Emmert is nothing if not a geek like the rest of us.

[Zepp]

2 hours ago, Steampunkette said:

And Superman, himself, is just an attempt at Modern Greco-Roman Myth.

Technically, the Jewish Canadian that created him was drawing from Nietzsche in direct opposition to the Nazi reinterpretation of the Nietzschean Übermensch. It could be argued that the framing in Nietzsche as a modern myth (drawing from Greco-Roman symbology) would make him a Modern Greco-Roman myth, but that is at least several stages removed.

[Llewellyn Blackwell]

1 hour ago, Zepp said:

Technically, the Jewish Canadian that created him was drawing from Nietzsche in direct opposition to the Nazi reinterpretation of the Nietzschean Übermensch. It could be argued that the framing in Nietzsche as a modern myth (drawing from Greco-Roman symbology) would make him a Modern Greco-Roman myth, but that is at least several stages removed.

Uhm it had nothing to do  with that actually. It was far more to due with honoring the death of the creators father who died trying to prevent a robbery, and the costume and appearance of superman was based largely on the circus Strong Men, that the creator had fond memories of seeing with his father as a child.

 

While Superman didnt appear in the comics until after the rise of the Nazi. He had been created many years prior. And the actual first draft created prior to the death of his father, was a mad scientist type with an abnormally large head, that was more in the vein of the tales of the weird and strange mags of the era.

 

And the eye and hair color of superman, along with his powers ( he didnt have many of the powers we associate with him today) were directly inspired by the character of John Carter in the ERB novels. Super Strong, Super jumping, Basically superman was the opposite origin of john carter, a son from another world come to ours and gain strange powers. John Carter is a mortal man that on mars had super human abilities due to the lower gravity.

[Steampunkette]

So let's start with Nietzsche.

 

He hated the Nazis. He wanted his unfinished works destroyed so that after his death no one could take his final, incomplete, thoughts and try to "Finish" them by guesswork. His Sister refused his wishes, finished his books with a HEAVY Nazi Slant, and destroyed Ubermensch as a term.

 

Nietzsche's Ubermensch was an empowered person. Not in any magnificent way or genetic superiority. But philosophically empowered with an understanding of himself, of the world around him, and of the endless question mark that is the afterlife. Someone who understands their brief stint on the planet must be entirely under their own mandate, and no one else's, lest it be wasted. That they must live the life they -choose- to live, rather than the life other men might force upon them.

 

And then the Nazis dug into Nordic Folklore because of Wagner (Who loved Nazism and Nietzsche's writing, but whom Nietzsche famously disliked) to try and explain why their German blood made them the "Best People"

 

Yeah. Siegel and Schuster were men of jewish faith creating a hero inspired by the father and dressed in a strongman's suit as a direct opposite to the 'German Ubermensch" mentality. But they did so by leaning hard into Greco Roman Myth because the Germans were leaning hard into Nordic Myth.

 

Take Superman's story. Banished from his homeland because his people were dying, he comes to Earth to be raised by loving parents who make him into a good person, independent of his phenomenal powers. He grows up to later learn about his Birth Family, and is given their mandate to protect Earth. (Okay, so that last part depends on Continuity)

 

Now trade "Superman" for literally any Greek or Roman sounding name and call Krypton Olympus. Now Superman's a Demigod sent to Earth, raised by a human family, who rises up to protect people. It's the same story as half of Zeus's spawn with a Sci-Fi twist. It might be closest to the story of Perseus, in fact. Who was cast into an unforgiving sea in a chest with his mother only to wash up on a distant shore.

 

We tell the same stories in new ways, over and over. 

[Zepp]

While Nietzsche did base his concepts of Übermensch on the philosopher king with a dash of Neo-Aristotelian rationalism, he did relate the Übermensch to concepts of health and physicality as well. The Nazi reinterpretation ignored most of Nietsche's writings and focused more on American racial purity "eugenics" theology.

The original Superman (prototype for Lex Luther) was more like a Nietzschean Übermensch, but with Nazi-ish philosophy, whereas the redesigned strongman Superman was more like a Nazi Übermensch with Nietschean philosophy. This binary, I would argue, played a much larger role than Perseusean concepts. Yes, Perseus fits (although Kal El would be more of a God than a Demi-God), but that seems to be a secondary influence.

[Haijinx]

It was just silly stuff about a walrus.  It didn't mean anything. 

[Steampunkette]

1 hour ago, Zepp said:

While Nietzsche did base his concepts of Übermensch on the philosopher king with a dash of Neo-Aristotelian rationalism, he did relate the Übermensch to concepts of health and physicality as well. The Nazi reinterpretation ignored most of Nietsche's writings and focused more on American racial purity "eugenics" theology.

The original Superman (prototype for Lex Luther) was more like a Nietzschean Übermensch, but with Nazi-ish philosophy, whereas the redesigned strongman Superman was more like a Nazi Übermensch with Nietschean philosophy. This binary, I would argue, played a much larger role than Perseusean concepts. Yes, Perseus fits (although Kal El would be more of a God than a Demi-God), but that seems to be a secondary influence.

The Nazi reinterpretation was literally Forster-Nietzsche rewriting his works. Like. MASSIVELY. She forged letters after his mental breakdown. Not like 1 or 2, either. In one year Nietzsche sent out 500 letters, and only around 80 of them were actually his. And of those 80 she altered like 60.

 

The rest? She made up whole-cloth and mailed to his friends and to Nazis presenting Nietzche as a raging anti-semite.

 

The Nazi Party didn't reinterpret his work, Zepp. The Nazi Party was handed an interpretation of his work by his sister who was such a raging anti-semite she and her hubby set up an "Aryan Colony" that collapsed on itself (her husband died in the colony) 'cause they couldn't take care of themselves. They didn't read his ideas on fitness and make it about Eugenics: His sister the raging anti-semite Nazi Wannabe put in references to Eugenics in his letters and her rewrites of his books to court the Nazis.

 

That said: The philosophy of a character and the narrative structure don't have to be the same. Not by a long shot. Hell, Conan was an exploration of Existential Philosophy, much like Kull before him, but it's not like any novel exploring an Existential Character has to have them be a loincloth clad Barbarian-King. Certainly Lovecraft's explorations of the topic didn't.

 

I think we're going at cross-purposes, here. You're focusing on the philosophical underpinnings of the character's personality and identity while I'm referring to Narrative Tropes and Story Framing. I.E. that of the Modern Mythological figure.

 

Though I'd also probably argue that Clark Kent and Superman are an exploration of Kant's Moral Absolutism crashing headlong into a world that does not accept such forceful binaries resulting in a sort of Moral Relativism centered around Kant's Maxim.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Steampunkette

[Rigged]

To clarify, Olympians have two eye beam attacks: the standard Laser Beam Eyes, which looks similar to the radiation blast power, kheldian eye beams, and the Tanker APP power. They also have a frontal beam sweep cone, which I believe is taken from Beam Weapon

 

10 hours ago, Megajoule said:

No.  Fix basic SS instead.  (And by "fix", I mean "get rid of Rage, especially stacked Rage, as a set-defining mechanic/power.")

We shouldn't have to reroll, or create a whole new AT, just to have a better version of Super Strength.

 

We also should avoid ATs designed specifically to emulate a particular trademarked character. 

(Even though, I acknowledge, that character - by virtue of his iconic status - already has plenty of knockoffs, homages, parodies etc.  We don't need to add to that, especially considering the new Code of Conduct.)

What's next?  the Spider-Dude AT?  Metal Armor Guy?  Fleidermaus?

I used "Kryptonian" in the title, but what an Olympian is really supposed to emulate is Statesman (and his jerky Praetorian counterpart). Whilst it is absolutely true that both are expies of Superman, I am not, for instance, asking for super speed, freezing breath and the ability to throw my chest symbol.

 

Additionally, I have no objection to Super Strength and Rage being changed, but I would like to point out that VEATs are very similar to existing powersets (and Khelds, besides forms, have powers very similar to certain blast and melee sets).

 

What an Olympian can get is some of the new animations and be able to avoid the Tanker/brute ATs, as well as having a proper punchy set not balanced around Rage, sacrificing Punchvoke to get a more generalist powerset.

 

Edit: Also very importantly, the animation and graphic and AoE of Hammer of Justice, Statesman's iconic nuke.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Rigged

[Shadowsleuth]

36 minutes ago, Rigged said:

To clarify, Olympians have two eye beam attacks: the standard Laser Beam Eyes, which looks similar to the radiation blast power, kheldian eye beams, and the Tanker APP power. They also have a frontal beam sweep cone, which I believe is taken from Beam Weapon

 

10 hours ago, Steampunkette said:

Maybe we could even make it play like Dual Pistols and change the damage type between Smashing (Which gets a bonus to the total damage done), Lightning (which changes the damage type and adds a -end component), and maybe Fire or Darkness to play into different TYPES of Olympians (Mars, Pluto, Jupiter, Etc)

 

Having a variety in addition to the standard eyebeams would fulfill many player concepts & the thought of having a lightning blast coming out of the eyes & arcing over multiple enemies would be extremely cool or shadow tendrils coming from the eyes and enwrapping & constricting around your enemies.

 

Energy arcs coming off your hard hitting melee attacks and splashing or arcing to other enemies would also make for a impressive visual.

[Llewellyn Blackwell]

Jerry Siegel tends to be seen more as the 2nd fiddle of the duo that created Supes. Partly because Shuster was the artist and for some reason in comics the writer tends to be the behind the scenes man to the fans moreso then the artist from what ive noticed over the years. One of the things these two nerdy young men at the time had in common was a love of the various weird and strange mags. They both would be called lovecraftians today and the first draft of superman the evil mad scientist was based a fair bit on Herbert West of lovecrafts reanimator series.

 

Siegel was also however a huge ERB fan. Its been said his bookshelves in his home had copies of every ERB novel published. Some people do not seem to appreciate that basically the first to really popular supermen of the modern age are ERBs Tarzan and John Carter. One of the things I was disgusted by when the John Carter movie came out a few years ago was how many reviewers called it a superman rip off, showing their ignorance willfully as they clearly had no idea of the history of ERBs characters.

 

Neither of supermans creators are known to have had any interest in greek/roman mythology( unlike Statesman's creator who was a student of greek mythology in college) and it doesnt take much imagination to read the origins of tarzan and john carter and notice just how much of superman's own origin can be seen in them. Tarzan has parents who give everything of themselves to give his early life a fighting chance, he is then adopted by a loving foster mother who risks everything to raise this strange outsider among her people( Tarzan was not raised by gorillas but by what ERB calls Great Apes which are far more like sasquatch or yeti in their proto human behavior including drumming and ceremony surrounding ritual combat) Basically a story of a superior being( a human) being raised by lesser proto humans. Tarzan by adulthood is not merely a powerful human, he is stronger then any animal in the jungle excluding the elephant, though due to his innate charisma he alone is described as being able to with his call bring even a stampede of elephants to a standstill. Both John Carter and Tarzan are atypically smart. Tarzan teaches himself to read and write english before he ever meets another human and learns to speak, using books he finds in his parents hut. John Carter learns the martian language through observation while traveling with the green tribe in a matter of weeks.

 

It wasnt until Superman become a tool of anti nazi propaganda during the war time that using him as a heroic ideal to challenge the nazi eugenics ideal became part of the superman story. 

 

So yes I will argue all day long we owe ERB and Lovecraft the most for the modern age of sci/fi and fantasy adventure comics then we do the greek myths. The concept of why society creates such things is however comparable. There is something in us that craves an ultimate avenger that can stamp out evil fearlessly and stand against even the biggest of monsters and win.

[Steampunkette]

17 minutes ago, Bentley Berkeley said:

So yes I will argue all day long we owe ERB and Lovecraft the most for the modern age of sci/fi and fantasy adventure comics then we do the greek myths. The concept of why society creates such things is however comparable. There is something in us that craves an ultimate avenger that can stamp out evil fearlessly and stand against even the biggest of monsters and win.

I can largely agree with your points but here's a couple things that we have to remember:

 

We keep reinventing the same stories. The Outsider who becomes powerful, like Tarzan or John Carter, is the same story as the Demigods of Greco Roman Myths. And shit like The Last Samurai or Iron Fist where the white guy winds up in a foreign culture and masters it (In the case of Iron Fist style stories, becoming better at it than the people for whom it is their native culture in perhaps the clearest example of racist cultural appropriation) is Tarzan and Perseus, too. And for a young nerd in the early 1900s, libraries had tons of options for reading the Greek and Roman myths, particularly ones often referenced in Literature and History classes, like Hercules and Sisyphus. These kinds of stories are so ingrained in Western culture that we use their names as words. Herculean, Sisyphean, Narcissist. We look at an Atlas fore directions 'cause he's holding up the world. We Hypnotize each other for fun or emotional wellness. And we turn to our Muses for inspiration. When a Cop Car needs people on the side of the road they hit their Siren. You don't have to study Greek Mythology in college to have an understanding of the big stories, or see how those stories interact with each other and plant seeds for new ones.

 

The other thing is: Lovecraft's characters never stomp out evil. They barely survive it, if they do. And rarely with their sanity intact! His whole thing was that there were concepts and beings that were too big to understand, too world-shattering to grasp. If modern sci-fi owes anything to Lovecraft it's the idea of what is alien and unusual... which for him largely boiled down to "Too many eyes and 1 or more tentacles which is too many tentacles!"

 

Fantasy honestly owes more to Lovecraft, all things considered, with his ancient monsters rising from slumber, casting humanity back to the stone age, and falling back asleep countless times throughout history (And he kind of owes that to Robert Howard and his ages of the world that make Africa the home of everything from Rome to Afghanistan, England to the US).

[skoryy]

Can I have an Aquaman heroic epic AT? I always wanted to look like Jason Momoa and talk to fishes!

 

More seriously, though, the VEATs start from mook class and work their way up.  The Praetorian EAT analogue would then be seers and rangers, working their way up to Diviner or Heavy Trooper.  Which... actually would be a fun idea. I'd play the heck out of a Heavy Trooper EAT. FIRE EVERYTHING!

[Steampunkette]

12 minutes ago, skoryy said:

Can I have an Aquaman heroic epic AT? I always wanted to look like Jason Momoa and talk to fishes!

 

More seriously, though, the VEATs start from mook class and work their way up.  The Praetorian EAT analogue would then be seers and rangers, working their way up to Diviner or Heavy Trooper.  Which... actually would be a fun idea. I'd play the heck out of a Heavy Trooper EAT. FIRE EVERYTHING!

Ehhh...

 

The EAT is a hero who nearly died and gets saved by an Alien that bonds with them to create a new Hybrid character.

 

The closest to that in Praetoria would be a Devoured Seer or something.

 

Personally I'd rather see something new than another soldier character archetype and another psychic character archetype.