The Classic Hero Challenge

[Greycat]

18 hours ago, Jacke said:

Tried a straight jump up along the side.  Couldn't find enough features to catch on to work my way up.  Saw those big holes on the sides of the neighbouring building and on the other side of the main one.  Tried working my way up, but just couldn't keep making the jumps between the buildings.  Without a teammate with Hover or Fly and Recall Friend Teleport Target, this one will have to be for after Level 40.

Remind me next time we're both on, I'll alt to therra (teleport + recall) and yoink whoever wants it up there.

 

... hmm, I should try to get to it without teleport myself. That and Ace, though I think that one was placed with the assumption you'd have travel powers. I don't remember an "easy" way up the statue.

[ineffablebob]

You know what other badge can be a challenge to get without those handy P2W powers or a vertical travel power? Old Fashioned. If all you have is Sprint, there's no good way to get up to the donut in Faultline. At least, not on a low-teens character...might be possible later on as jump distance in Hurdle improves. Learned that lesson on Cerulean Knight, who has only Sprint and Super Speed, and was unable to get up on the donut shop roof when he was in Faultline around level 15.

[Greycat]

You know, I never looked at that closely. I kind of assumed the neon band was some sort of ridge. But nope... can't even hop up from the tree in back, you just land short.

 

Edit: Same with towering inferno. There's a ridge if you jump off the billboard, but it just stops you from falling to the ground if you manage to catch it - it doesn't help you get up to the badge.

Edited January 17, 2021 by Greycat

[Jacke]

3 minutes ago, Greycat said:

Remind me next time we're both on, I'll alt to therra (teleport + recall) and yoink whoever wants it up there.

 

... hmm, I should try to get to it without teleport myself. That and Ace, though I think that one was placed with the assumption you'd have travel powers. I don't remember an "easy" way up the statue.

 

LOL, I just realised my 2nd account Everlasting anchor toon, Jacke2, though only Level 6, will have a temp flight power and Assemble the Team, so I could get "Towering Inferno" on my own.

 

But it's trying to get these Badges as if Badges were in Issue 0.  Which I see others are trying too. 🙂

[Greycat]

Action shot from round two! In appropriate aspect ratio, roughly...

[ineffablebob]

And after that fight, we posed on his corpse!

 

 

The Clockwork King fared no better than his big buddy. Behold the victors!

 

 

Good fun on both Synapse TF runs this weekend. I can happily not do another Synapse TF for a few months now. 🙂

[Jacke]

I only have the one Classic toon who ran on the Synapse Task Force last Friday.  So tonight I brought my Rad/Rad Defender Jacke Rad to help irradiate things. 🙂

 

[KC4800]

This thread is already 13 pages. Are we allowed to inspiration convert? I don't think that was a thing when I started. (Issue 4)

[cranebump]

5 minutes ago, KC4800 said:

Are we allowed to inspiration convert?

I came in around issue 7 and you counldn't convert then, so...

[KC4800]

that's what I thought, I haven't been converting up to this point

 

I am running a Katana/DA scrapper on reunion named Ghost Legacy.

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by KC4800

[Jacke]

On 1/19/2021 at 4:57 PM, KC4800 said:

Are we allowed to inspiration convert? I don't think that was a thing when I started. (Issue 4)

I can't remember when Inspiration combining was added either.

 

When we know, we try to hew to how things were in Issue 0.  But we can't change many things.  And some changes were such improvements, some of us have a hard time to pass them up.  Like simulating the split Yellow and Green Monorail Lines.

 

I've avoided combining Inspirations.

 

Sources of information below.  They're incomplete too, but they document so many changes.

 

The per-Issue pages listed here

https://hcwiki.cityofheroes.dev/wiki/Issues

 

The Guide to Issues aka "When did they add/change that?"

 

[cranebump]

Feel like we'll need a redside group purty coon.  I'm thinking Issue 7, which is about where I came in (when you're old, you can't remember nuthin' specifically...except injuries). 

 

Just wondering what the powersets were. Any way to determine without having to click through the entire powerset wikis?

 

Other option is to run "spirit of Classic," which hews to using old school Enhances/travel and all that, and using villain-side only ATs. Even doing red that way (without the temp travels, for ex), makes it already a basic challenge (rooftops? oookay...)

 

Suggestions?

Edited January 20, 2021 by cranebump

[siolfir]

20 hours ago, cranebump said:

Feel like we'll need a redside group purty coon.  I'm thinking Issue 7, which is about where I came in (when you're old, you can't remember nuthin' specifically...except injuries). 

 

Just wondering what the powersets were. Any way to determine without having to click through the entire powerset wikis?

 

Other option is to run "spirit of Classic," which hews to using old school Enhances/travel and all that, and using villain-side only ATs. Even doing red that way (without the temp travels, for ex), makes it already a basic challenge (rooftops? oookay...)

 

Suggestions?

Issue 7 would let your villains get Patron pools (starting at 41) and finish leveling to 50, so it seems like a good starting point.

 

As for the powersets... it seems like the AT entries in the wiki are far better to check since they list the issues that powersets were added. 🙂

 

<list of individual charts snipped to save vertical screen space, since charts are filling the thread>

Edited January 21, 2021 by siolfir
included in message text

[Normal Thomas]

Here's all the Issue 7 powersets

 

Mastermind		Dominator		Corruptor		Stalker		Brute
Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary
Mercenaries	Dark Miasmas	Fire Control	Energy Assault	Assault Rifle	Cold Domination	Claws	Energy Aura	Dark Melee	Dark Armor
Necromancy	Force Field	Gravity Control	Fiery Assault	Dark Blast	Dark Miasmas	Energy Melee	Ninjitsu	Energy Melee	Energy Aura
Ninjas	Poison	Ice Control	Icy Assault	Energy Blast	Kinetics	Martial Arts	Regeneration	Fiery Melee	Fiery Aura
Robots	Traps	Mind Control	Psionic Assault	Fire Blast	Radiation Emission	Ninja Blade	Super Reflexes	Stone Melee	Stone Armor
Thugs	Trick Arrow	Plant Control	Thorny Assault	Ice Blast	Sonic Resonance	Spines	Dark Armor	Super Strength	Invulnerability
				Sonic Blast	Thermal Radiation	Dark Melee		Electric Melee	Electric Armor
				Radiation Blast	Traps

 

PLUS

 

PATRON POOLS

Mace Mastery

Leviathan Mastery

Mu Mastery

Soul Mastery

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Normal Thomas
removed earth control

[siolfir]

4 minutes ago, Normal Thomas said:

Here's all the Issue 7 powersets

 

Mastermind		Dominator		Corruptor		Stalker		Brute
Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary
Mercenaries	Dark Miasmas	Earth Control	Energy Assault	Assault Rifle	Cold Domination	Claws	Energy Aura	Dark Melee	Dark Armor
Necromancy	Force Field	Fire Control	Fiery Assault	Dark Blast	Dark Miasmas	Energy Melee	Ninjitsu	Energy Melee	Energy Aura
Ninjas	Poison	Gravity Control	Icy Assault	Energy Blast	Kinetics	Martial Arts	Regeneration	Fiery Melee	Fiery Aura
Robots	Traps	Ice Control	Psionic Assault	Fire Blast	Radiation Emission	Ninja Blade	Super Reflexes	Stone Melee	Stone Armor
Thugs	Trick Arrow	Mind Control	Thorny Assault	Ice Blast	Sonic Resonance	Spines	Dark Armor	Super Strength	Invulnerability
		Plant Control		Sonic Blast	Thermal Radiation	Dark Melee		Electric Melee	Electric Armor
				Radiation Blast	Traps

 

PLUS

 

PATRON POOLS

Mace Mastery

Leviathan Mastery

Mu Mastery

Soul Mastery

 

Your chart looks prettier, but Earth Control was added to Dominators way later than i7.

Edited January 20, 2021 by siolfir

[Normal Thomas]

Forgot about that. I pretty much copy pasted an earlier chart of issue 0 power sets and I didn't think to remove it.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Normal Thomas
*chart

[0th Power]

I think someone made “we have some issues” as a classic villain group

[ineffablebob]

Had a good time tonight running Classic lowbies on Black No 1 with Frostycuffs and Controller 7D4. Tank-Controller-Defender isn't the fastest clearing team but we made it through a lot of Skulls and then rescued the fortune teller.

 

All this talk of villains has got me thinking back to my first CoV characters. Don't remember that launch as well as I do CoH, but I'm pretty sure I had a Dom and a MM out of the gate. Will have to get myself a classic alt over in the Rogue Isles soon.

[cranebump]

13 hours ago, 0th Power said:

I think someone made “we have some issues” as a classic villain group

This was mentioned, for sure. But who made the group? I posted a pic of a redside char I had ready to go, but didn't actually make the SG.

[cranebump]

17 hours ago, Normal Thomas said:

Here's all the Issue 7 powersets

 

Mastermind		Dominator		Corruptor		Stalker		Brute
Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary
Mercenaries	Dark Miasmas	Fire Control	Energy Assault	Assault Rifle	Cold Domination	Claws	Energy Aura	Dark Melee	Dark Armor
Necromancy	Force Field	Gravity Control	Fiery Assault	Dark Blast	Dark Miasmas	Energy Melee	Ninjitsu	Energy Melee	Energy Aura
Ninjas	Poison	Ice Control	Icy Assault	Energy Blast	Kinetics	Martial Arts	Regeneration	Fiery Melee	Fiery Aura
Robots	Traps	Mind Control	Psionic Assault	Fire Blast	Radiation Emission	Ninja Blade	Super Reflexes	Stone Melee	Stone Armor
Thugs	Trick Arrow	Plant Control	Thorny Assault	Ice Blast	Sonic Resonance	Spines	Dark Armor	Super Strength	Invulnerability
				Sonic Blast	Thermal Radiation	Dark Melee		Electric Melee	Electric Armor
				Radiation Blast	Traps

 

PLUS

 

PATRON POOLS

Mace Mastery

Leviathan Mastery

Mu Mastery

Soul Mastery

 

So, is this the correct chart?

[siolfir]

1 hour ago, cranebump said:

So, is this the correct chart?

Well, unless you want it in alphabetical order. Or in night mode. Then you'd probably want this one instead.

 

Brute		Corruptor		Dominator		Mastermind		Stalker
Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary
Dark Melee	Dark Armor	Assault Rifle	Cold Domination	Fire Control	Energy Assault	Mercenaries	Dark Miasma	Claws	Dark Armor
Electric Melee	Electric Armor	Dark Blast	Dark Miasmas	Gravity Control	Fiery Assault	Necromancy	Force Field	Dark Melee	Energy Aura
Energy Melee	Energy Aura	Energy Blast	Kinetics	Ice Control	Icy Assault	Ninjas	Poison	Energy Melee	Ninjitsu
Fiery Melee	Fiery Aura	Fire Blast	Radiation Emission	Mind Control	Psionic Assault	Robots	Traps	Martial Arts	Regeneration
Stone Melee	Invulnerability	Ice Blast	Sonic Resonance	Plant Control	Thorny Assault	Thugs	Trick Arrow	Ninja Blade	Super Reflexes
Super Strength	Stone Armor	Sonic Blast	Thermal Radiation					Spines
		Radiation Blast	Traps

 

But the powersets are correct for what was available in City of Villains in Issue 7; Arbiter Rein wasn't available until level 40 back then, though, so if the idea is to "catch up" at level 40 then the Patron Pools wouldn't be available until 41, which is why I brought it up before (although I edited that post to eliminate the vertical list of charts).

 

[cranebump]

1 hour ago, siolfir said:

Well, unless you want it in alphabetical order. Or in night mode. Then you'd probably want this one instead.

 

Brute		Corruptor		Dominator		Mastermind		Stalker
Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary	Primary	Secondary
Dark Melee	Dark Armor	Assault Rifle	Cold Domination	Fire Control	Energy Assault	Mercenaries	Dark Miasma	Claws	Dark Armor
Electric Melee	Electric Armor	Dark Blast	Dark Miasmas	Gravity Control	Fiery Assault	Necromancy	Force Field	Dark Melee	Energy Aura
Energy Melee	Energy Aura	Energy Blast	Kinetics	Ice Control	Icy Assault	Ninjas	Poison	Energy Melee	Ninjitsu
Fiery Melee	Fiery Aura	Fire Blast	Radiation Emission	Mind Control	Psionic Assault	Robots	Traps	Martial Arts	Regeneration
Stone Melee	Invulnerability	Ice Blast	Sonic Resonance	Plant Control	Thorny Assault	Thugs	Trick Arrow	Ninja Blade	Super Reflexes
Super Strength	Stone Armor	Sonic Blast	Thermal Radiation					Spines
		Radiation Blast	Traps

 

But the powersets are correct for what was available in City of Villains in Issue 7; Arbiter Rein wasn't available until level 40 back then, though, so if the idea is to "catch up" at level 40 then the Patron Pools wouldn't be available until 41, which is why I brought it up before (although I edited that post to eliminate the vertical list of charts).

 

Thank you. I was mainly asking because I was planning to pilfer this and start the "Unlucky 7's" (or something--whataver "We have a few issues" turns out to be).

[Normal Thomas]

5 hours ago, cranebump said:

This was mentioned, for sure. But who made the group? I posted a pic of a redside char I had ready to go, but didn't actually make the SG.

I checked with the super group register redside and there's no registered "we have issues" group. Unlucky 7s is good too but "We have Issues" is also available.

[ineffablebob]

Well, I've done it. Quemadura Fria, Ice/Fire dom.

 

 

I like "We Have Several Issues" for the SG name, if workable.

[Scubadub]

Went ahead and made a villain group by request.   "We Have Some Issues"  Basepass "CLASSIC-18706"