Battle Axe!

StriderIV · May 28, 2023

Ok, so I’ve always been a sword guy over an Axe or Hammer.

That being said, I’ve seen so many threads on how much fun/solid the new Battle Axe is, so I have to give it a whirl. Tell me about your Battle Axe experience!

What do you like about it?

Are there any specific secondaries you’d suggest to pair with it?

I was THINKING something that helps with endurance, like Bio Armor, Rad Armor or Energy Aura.

On the flip side, BA/Shield probably looks super epic. I could see it being a huge endurance hog though.

Thrax · May 28, 2023

I did battle axe/ice. Pull into slow aura. It was fun enough but found axe still blah.

StriderIV · May 28, 2023

On 5/28/2023 at 10:57 PM, Thrax said:

I did battle axe/ice. Pull into slow aura. It was fun enough but found axe still blah.

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Good to know! You just didn’t dig the animations and what not?

Ice Armor IS wonderful, have a KM/Ice Stalker that is great.

Thrax · May 28, 2023

Yeah. Might be cooler with shield. Could never get into bs/wm/or axe. Did a wm tank but it was a contempt homage and thing.

Thrax · May 28, 2023

Just feels weird only ever using one hand and other one always empty. Like katana though.

twozerofoxtrot · May 29, 2023

On 5/28/2023 at 10:53 PM, StriderIV said:

give it a whirl

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Nice...

StriderIV · May 29, 2023

On 5/29/2023 at 12:15 AM, twozerofoxtrot said:

Nice...

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😏

Herotu · May 29, 2023

I played BA on live and it was great, so I can only imagine how OP the new one is!

StriderIV · May 29, 2023

On 5/29/2023 at 7:25 PM, Herotu said:

I played BA on live and it was great, so I can only imagine how OP the new one is!

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What’d ya pair it with on live?

Herotu · May 30, 2023

On 5/29/2023 at 10:02 PM, StriderIV said:

What’d ya pair it with on live?

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Just Willpower. I had no idea what I was doing with powers - and still don't know.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Herotu

Sanguinesun · May 30, 2023

On 5/28/2023 at 10:53 PM, StriderIV said:

Ok, so I’ve always been a sword guy over an Axe or Hammer.

That being said, I’ve seen so many threads on how much fun/solid the new Battle Axe is, so I have to give it a whirl. Tell me about your Battle Axe experience!

What do you like about it?

Are there any specific secondaries you’d suggest to pair with it?

I was THINKING something that helps with endurance, like Bio Armor, Rad Armor or Energy Aura.

On the flip side, BA/Shield probably looks super epic. I could see it being a huge endurance hog though.

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If you're going to be a predominantly supporting damage offensive scrapper, fire secondary may suit you. Consume also not only aoe damages but also can give you a bar of end when clicked right.

Also keep in mind depending on how you do slotting and proc's, axe can have really nice recharge due to the kb +recharge proc being able to go in most any attacks you choose.

If you're looking for a more rounded, end helping, and damage helping secondary etc set then radiation armor is a solid choice.

mistagoat · May 30, 2023

I just spent a few hours over the weekend on test with a new Axe/Ice build and I'm really happy with it. If I were going for optimal, shield would be very hard to beat but I have several shield scraps and brutes and I've been on an Ice kick lately. Rad armor is probably great with it too but Rad is great with everything! Ice is better than I ever expected it to be, so many tools in it's toolbox! I took the Soul patron for the def boost power (the name escapes me) to cover the toxic and psi hole and Icy Bastion is fantastic! Even 4x8 Cimarorans couldn't debuff me enough to matter as long as I remembered to use all those fancy tools.

Axe hits like a truck and even +4 bosses didn't feel like a slog to get through. Using the scrapper ATO for bonus crits just chunks away lifebars at a very heathy rate (healthy for me, not them). Very decent AoE damage as well, it always did good damage but the recent tweaks make it feel so much smoother.

Edited May 30, 2023 by mistagoat
forgot about Dre

roleki · June 2, 2023

Not to hijack, but since Axe is being discussed - anyone got an Axe/Shield build for Scrappers? I've got an Axe/Shield Brute which is awesome, but the placement of ATOs on a Scrapper is a little trickier than on a Broot, it'd be nice to see where other people put their 50% crit proc.

Sovera · June 2, 2023

Someone was praising Axe/Ninja Scrapperinos so I took a look at it... and it's actually... pretty nice looking?

Defence capped at level 32 (or 28 if Combat Jumping is swapped for Fly)... Ok, ok, not 28/32 because if leveling then stats are scaled down and some bonuses are not at full strength, but anything bordering 40% is already near invulnerable at those levels anyway, plus a heal, and endurance recovery, and no need for the Fighting pool.

I did put an FF proc in Swoop which may be dubious since it's the heavy hitter and we want it to hit like a truck, but my reasoning is that Axe simply needs four attacks to have a gapless chain. The FF proc when it decides to trigger will make Chop not needed. Placing the FF in Swoop gives more time for the FF proc to make both Cleave and Swoop recharge faster instead of placing it in Gash (or Chop) that would give the FF proc less time to work its magic and whittle the recharge of the two heavy hitters. Keeping Chop slotted still allows it to be used for leveling, exemplaring, and when the FF proc does not activate.

For single target then Cleave, Swoop, Gash, Chop-if-FF-proc-did-not-proc, repeat. For AoE Cleave, Pendulum, Axe Cyclone, repeat.. which is nice.

I'm somewhat tempted in not taking Cleave though. Cleave hits like a massive truck, but 2.5 second animation and the very reason a 4th attack is needed. Swoop, Gash and Chop can loop perpetually. It does feel a bit sacrilegious though when we see the Mids numbers of 843-without-BU.

My problem so far is that both Axe and Ninja need a lot of powers so everything from Hasten to travel powers gets pushed back to the 30s, but someone who decides to level with no travel powers (since Kiji-in Rin gives run speed and jump height which will work well with CJ and Sprint/Athletic Run) or Super Jump can make things work better.

Five powers left and eight slots, so go wild:Scrapper (Battle Axe - Ninja).mbd

Edited July 5, 2023 by Sovera

nihilii · June 2, 2023

On 6/2/2023 at 2:19 PM, Sovera said:

Someone was praising Axe/Ninja Scrapperinos so I took a look at it... and it's actually... pretty nice looking?

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BA/NIN became my favorite character after I rolled it.

Although, a lot of it comes down to taste. Mine is an Elude build with Barrier and Conserve Power, built to exemplar very nicely to lvl ~20 or so. Optimizing maximum convenience everywhere.

Many of the same ideas you list. Minus the FF proc because the recharge times fit nicely as is, and also skipping Cleave is heresy to my ears. A ranged attack that does extreme damage and is also an AoE?

Animation time is not on my mind when I press the hotkey, I'm thinking of the pain train about to come down on the sorry sods who bunched up in a 40 feet radius of my ninja of mass destruction. Fly, you fools, I cackle as they're unable to do so, flipflopping helplessly thanks to the 80% KD chance.

Sometimes I feel equally sadistic and lazy, and I "arrest" them with nothing but Cleave, Cleave, Cleave.

God, I love Cleave.

Sovera · June 2, 2023

I have no idea why we have satellite emoji reactions but you get one.

InvaderStych · June 2, 2023

On 6/2/2023 at 6:09 PM, Sovera said:

I have no idea why we have satellite emoji reactions but you get one.

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No idea how they are supposed to be used, but Ramen is my new favorite and default reaction.

"NOTHING can stop NOODLES!"

SomeGuy · June 2, 2023

On 6/2/2023 at 1:18 PM, roleki said:

Axe/Shield build for Scrappers?

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I actually run BA/Rad with similar slotting in attacks. I slapped this together when FM and BA got their changes and couldn't decide what to do. Ended up doing FM/SD and BA/RAD.

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StriderIV · June 2, 2023

On 6/2/2023 at 9:39 PM, SomeGuy said:

I actually run BA/Rad with similar slotting in attacks. I slapped this together when FM and BA got their changes and couldn't decide what to do. Ended up doing FM/SD and BA/RAD.

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This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Battle Axe
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chop
Level 1: Brawl
Level 22: Double Jump
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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(A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage

(33) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

(34) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime

(34) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

(34) Empty

(36) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 1: Deflection

(A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance

(25) Shield Wall - Defense

(25) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

(36) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

(36) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 2: Battle Agility

(A) Red Fortune - Endurance

(3) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance

(3) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge

(31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge

(33) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

(33) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 4: True Grit

(A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

(5) Preventive Medicine - Heal

(5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance

(17) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime

(23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

(23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance

Level 6: Build Up

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

(7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff

(7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge

(13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance

(15) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance

(17) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 8: Swoop

(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(9) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance

(9) Hecatomb - Damage

(11) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

(11) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage

(13) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 10: Active Defense

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 12: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 14: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

(15) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Against All Odds

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 18: Whirling Axe

(A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus

(19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

(19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge

(21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 20: Phalanx Fighting

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 22: Super Jump

(A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

Level 24: Boxing

(A) Empty

Level 26: Cleave

(A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(27) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance

(27) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

(29) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff

(29) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc

(31) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 28: Grant Cover

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 30: Tough

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance

(31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance

(45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge

(45) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 32: Pendulum

(A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

(40) Obliteration - Damage

(43) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge

(43) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge

(45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(47) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 35: Shield Charge

(A) Eradication - Damage/Recharge

(37) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(46) Eradication - Damage

(46) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

(47) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(48) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage

Level 38: Zapp

(A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(39) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance

(39) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

(39) Decimation - Chance of Build Up

(40) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

(40) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 41: Ball Lightning

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance

(42) Ragnarok - Damage

(42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge

(42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(43) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy

Level 44: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

(46) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance

(49) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 47: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

(48) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance

(48) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 49: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 1: Critical Hit

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 1: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 1: Health

(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

(37) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 1: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

(37) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self

Level 49: Quick Form

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SO BEAUTIFUL

roleki · June 3, 2023

On 6/2/2023 at 9:39 PM, SomeGuy said:

I actually run BA/Rad with similar slotting in attacks. I slapped this together when FM and BA got their changes and couldn't decide what to do. Ended up doing FM/SD and BA/RAD.

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This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Battle Axe
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chop
Level 1: Brawl
Level 22: Double Jump
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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(A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage

(33) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

(34) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime

(34) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

(34) Empty

(36) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 1: Deflection

(A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance

(25) Shield Wall - Defense

(25) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

(36) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

(36) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 2: Battle Agility

(A) Red Fortune - Endurance

(3) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance

(3) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge

(31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge

(33) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

(33) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 4: True Grit

(A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

(5) Preventive Medicine - Heal

(5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance

(17) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime

(23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

(23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance

Level 6: Build Up

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

(7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff

(7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge

(13) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance

(15) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance

(17) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 8: Swoop

(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(9) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance

(9) Hecatomb - Damage

(11) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

(11) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage

(13) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 10: Active Defense

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 12: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 14: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

(15) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Against All Odds

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 18: Whirling Axe

(A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus

(19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

(19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge

(21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 20: Phalanx Fighting

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 22: Super Jump

(A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

Level 24: Boxing

(A) Empty

Level 26: Cleave

(A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(27) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance

(27) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

(29) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff

(29) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc

(31) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 28: Grant Cover

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 30: Tough

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance

(31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance

(45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge

(45) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 32: Pendulum

(A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

(40) Obliteration - Damage

(43) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge

(43) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge

(45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(47) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 35: Shield Charge

(A) Eradication - Damage/Recharge

(37) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(46) Eradication - Damage

(46) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

(47) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(48) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage

Level 38: Zapp

(A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(39) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance

(39) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

(39) Decimation - Chance of Build Up

(40) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

(40) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 41: Ball Lightning

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance

(42) Ragnarok - Damage

(42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge

(42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy

(43) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy

Level 44: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

(46) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance

(49) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 47: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

(48) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance

(48) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 49: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 1: Critical Hit

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 1: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 1: Health

(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

(37) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 1: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

(37) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self

Level 49: Quick Form

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Man, that is a good-looking build. Thanks a heap!

honoroit · June 3, 2023

axe is nice as it got buffed.

its the 'new style' where short 7ft cones are replaced with mini sphere aoe.

the difference is remarkable! you functionally hit like a melee cone but its a proper aoe...

...as opposed to quickly diving round 3 mobs and hoping youll line 2 of three of them... but only if you clicked the furthest back.

with 2 dozen mobs on screen, short cones that are not aoe converted like with battle ace gets unpleasant as a play mechanic, and you'll notice this after having spent time with the revamped set.

axe did away with that trouble!

it also gets a 'suck them in' vortex axe aoe, also nice.

its actual animations / movements - well youre either a fan or youre not.

its prettier that war mace, ill give it that.

get combat teleport / spring attack and:

/bind shift+e powexec_location target Spring Attack

^(as example), for rapido pack gap closing and melee insistence!

Edited June 7, 2023 by honoroit

InvaderStych · June 7, 2023

On 6/3/2023 at 4:50 PM, honoroit said:

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What in the name of Statesman is the cursed horror-show pictured above? 😱

StriderIV · June 7, 2023

Random: as a sword guy, I’m trying to find an aesthetic axe that looks and “feels” right to me. What is your favorite Axe option in character creator?

So far, I think the ones that are CLOSEST to what I want are either Impervium Axe or Celestial Axe.

honoroit · June 7, 2023

On 6/7/2023 at 1:51 AM, InvaderStych said:

What in the name of Statesman is the cursed horror-show pictured above? 😱

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hes here to save paragon. its what he tells people on mercy island.

well, he did - until they (big arachnos disctrict 'police' they) hung him for being 'out of sorts with the road to success'. group of trainees, thought they were clever, eff up the street kids, round then up, set an example, maybe get paid. next generation's throwback entrenchment of sentiment. 'message at the department u know, we're here to stay. 'members and loyal, remember old days'.

'threw shade at us that one, it did, looked right through a man. eyes on the gleaming. the arrogance!' its all ends-to-a-means with only preface of slightest excuse, to do as you like and become used to it. when you keep a population as cattle withfor occassion to take. such is mercy island, for the non-super.

threw his body in a dumpster shortly after execution, where he was found and reanimated.

through necrosis, theres not much left of the brain. its dying remedies loop flashes, as does the mammal when overwhelmed as kindness and evolved survival in altruistic freezelock. survive, kin, and you-self dream... flashes of helping and a key to the city. maybe a realized moan. theres nothing there anymore.

Edited June 7, 2023 by honoroit
i hate 5th column - insidious ruin, bully and tyrant.

Spaghetti Betty · June 7, 2023

On 6/7/2023 at 2:07 AM, StriderIV said:

Random: as a sword guy, I’m trying to find an aesthetic axe that looks and “feels” right to me. What is your favorite Axe option in character creator?

So far, I think the ones that are CLOSEST to what I want are either Impervium Axe or Celestial Axe.

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