Nostromo21 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 22 hours ago, MoonSheep said: i’d still much rather play a /regen than any mastermind though You obviously haven't played a fully twinked necro/dark MM... ;-p 1 Game over man, game over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcane Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, Nostromo21 said: You obviously haven't played a fully twinked necro/dark MM... 😜 Nah he probably has. Masterminds are atrocious outside of niche scenarios. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostromo21 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, arcane said: Nah he probably has. Masterminds are atrocious outside of niche scenarios. You mean like playing the game from 1-50 mostly solo, which is prob 90% of the time spent by most player in-game...? ;) 1 1 1 Game over man, game over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcane Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 minutes ago, Nostromo21 said: You mean like playing the game from 1-50 mostly solo, which is prob 90% of the time spent by most player in-game...? 😉 Oh I spend 0% of my time doing that so you probably got me there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostromo21 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, arcane said: Oh I spend 0% of my time doing that so you probably got me there. Yes, some ppl need a team of randos to carry them. For me, hell is other ppl, so I prefer undead minions. ;-p 1 1 Game over man, game over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 56 minutes ago, wjrasmussen said: Well, they could just double the fury cap, then periodically review it, like once per year. That might be too much work, so no review. Just double it. Old wound. But they nerfed Fury to effectively 85% because edge case Brutes were outdamaging sub par Scrappers. Now they have buffed Tanks and Scrappers have one of the best ATO in the game. I think letting Fury bar go back to 100 is not unreasonable. Also, the +fury on the Brute ATO is easily the worst ATO in the game. Somehow has to be worst, but geez. there should be a floor no one can go below. Most people are on a 1st floor, Scrappers are in Penthouse. Brute ATO is sub basement. Except for the set bonus the thing is a waasted slot 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haijinx Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 44 minutes ago, Nostromo21 said: Yes, some ppl need a team of randos to carry them. For me, hell is other ppl, so I prefer undead minions. 😜 There is a difference? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Master GM Crumpet Posted April 12 Game Master Share Posted April 12 Why the mastermind hate? I love masterminds and I play them a lot. I also don't see teams carrying a well slotted and well played mastermind. I've seen badly played ones where the player has no idea how to control their pets, but that's the minority 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haijinx Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Nostromo21 said: You mean like playing the game from 1-50 mostly solo, which is prob 90% of the time spent by most player in-game...? 😉 I don't think most of us are here to solo. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilii Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, Haijinx said: I don't think most of us are here to solo. An interesting question, but I think the spread is more likely something like 70%/30% than the 95%/5% permateamers picture in their head. Food for thought: outside of perceived support ATs like Defenders, approximately 0 builds posted in the Archetype forums are optimized for teaming. Whereas builders will juggle slots around for 20 minutes to squeeze out +3% DPS. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haijinx Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, nihilii said: An interesting question, but I think the spread is more likely something like 70%/30% than the 95%/5% permateamers picture in their head. Food for thought: outside of perceived support ATs like Defenders, approximately 0 builds posted in the Archetype forums are optimized for teaming. Whereas builders will juggle slots around for 20 minutes to squeeze out +3% DPS. It's easy to play in a team with a build that solos well Harder to solo with a build made for teaming. However, I don't see the builds as saying anything about what people prefer to do when logged in. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonSheep Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 53 minutes ago, GM Crumpet said: Why the mastermind hate? I love masterminds and I play them a lot. I also don't see teams carrying a well slotted and well played mastermind. I've seen badly played ones where the player has no idea how to control their pets, but that's the minority 4 1 If you're not dying you're not living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Ronin Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Haijinx said: There is a difference? Those undead minions are more competent and reliable than the average PUG. 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haijinx Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Lunar Ronin said: Those undead minions are more competent and reliable than the average PUG. Smellier though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjrasmussen Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 25 minutes ago, Haijinx said: Smellier though. The PUG, right? 3 1 1 I went to Ouroboros all i got was this lousy secret! COH bomp bomp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WumpusRat Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 hours ago, UltraAlt said: Meanwhile, https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Luck_of_the_Gambler:_Defense/Increased_Global_Recharge_Speed https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Panacea:_Chance_for_%2BHit_Points/Endurance https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Sudden_Acceleration:_Knockback_to_Knockdown https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Performance_Shifter:_Chance_for_%2BEndurance https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Power_Transfer:_Chance_to_Heal_Self ... and ... do I really need to go on? LotG isn't a proc, it's a permanent buff. Sudden Accel isn't a proc, it's a behavior change from knockback to knockdown instead. Not only that, but I actually mentioned KD procs in my post, which you snipped out in favor of cherry-picking that one half-sentence. And considering this thread is almost entirely about damage procs (which I was pointing out in my post), this seems like needless semantics on your part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperStone Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 OMG! This affects me NOT at all. I will see my self out. 1 Forums - a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. "it will be a forum for consumers to exchange their views on medical research" Spam Response- Spam, in the context of cybersecurity, refers to any unsolicited and often irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent over the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haijinx Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 20 hours ago, Jacke said: [ I just play the game and help with testing in Closed Beta. I'm not a Dev. ] Good point! Set the Wayback Machine to 2020 Sep 20! Procs & PPM Something we’ve recently started looking at is procs. I think the long amount of time since that mention in 2020 just indicates that this is a very major change that needs to be done properly when it comes. I actually think it will never happen. Just like Rage isn't getting fixed. But wow, the power creep that has occurred in this game is nuts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Ronin Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 18 hours ago, macskull said: One of the major issues with PPM as it is currently implemented, anyways. People think that PPM was an I24 thing, but PPM-based procs already existed in the live game from cash shop enhancements, and those just used base recharge. I24 changed this initially to "modified recharge" (which included both slotted and global recharge) until it was pointed out that including global recharge would result in undesirable performance changes while teamed with certain support sets. I don't think the current system is bad, it's just that the game has zero explanation of how the system actually works so you have to rely on outside calculators and spreadsheets to do the math. If the game explained it somewhere, I don't think it would be a big deal. The fact that PPM in combination with either the Agility or Spiritual Alpha can cause you to do actually less damage than if you hadn't slotted either Alpha is I'd say a significant design flaw. Prior to sunset, Incarnate abilities weren't exactly the easiest thing to come by. Even on Homecoming, procs being made very significantly worse by 25% of the Incarnate Alphas isn't exactly good. That there's nothing in-game explaining this to you is another issue on top of that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Rolls down the windows on the Malibu and squints eyes for a second then rolls away. 1 1 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Totally Cali, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - High Beam (Yay), Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Many alts and lots of fun. Thank you Name Release For letting me get my OG main back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troo Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 "Is there really a massive proc nerf just around the corner?" @Azari Yes. ..but not in the way you think; which may or may not be considered a "nerf" for the majority of the character base while the impact on edge cases may or may not be measurable at this time. Please check back periodically for any official updates. Players can always send in-game tells directly to GM_Bot. Repeated inquiries may provide different responses. In game inquiries should be in the following formats: /t GM_Bot, Is there really a massive proc nerf just around the corner? /t GM_Bot, seriously, are Procs being nerfed? /t GM_Bot, just tell me. /t GM_Bot, dude.. seriously? that sucks. Player may need to ask several times, several ways before the beans are spilled. 1 1 1 "Homecoming is not perfect but it is still better than the alternative.. at least so far" - Unknown (Wise words Unknown!) Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lunar Ronin said: The fact that PPM in combination with either the Agility or Spiritual Alpha can cause you to do actually less damage than if you hadn't slotted either Alpha is I'd say a significant design flaw. What's this mean? I thought the formula for PPM was for slotted recharge. Formula for Single Target Attacks: ((Base Recharge/(1+Recharge Slotted)+Activation Time)xPPM/60) Does Agility and Spiritual do something weird to powers with no slotted recharge? Edit: Well after reading the Homecoming wiki, turns out PPM is affected by Alpha Incarnate Agility and Spirtual slots. Note: For this calculation, "Enhanced Recharge Time" includes reductions from enhancements and Alpha slotting, but not from Luck of the Gambler bonuses, other enhancement set bonuses, Hasten, or other recharge buffs. Edited April 13 by Glacier Peak 1 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 7 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: What's this mean? I thought the formula for PPM was for slotted recharge. Alphas are mega-enhancements, essentially. They function like an extra enhancement in every power that accepts whatever they're enhancing. 1 2 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Ronin Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Luminara said: Alphas are mega-enhancements, essentially. They function like an extra enhancement in every power that accepts whatever they're enhancing. Yes, and that Synapse either didn't realize that or simply didn't care is a design flaw of the PPM system. 25% of the Incarnate Alphas shouldn't be "gotchas," nor a waste of Incarnate salvage. But I think he did realize it and did care. Word is that he was actually getting ready to get rid of PPM and try something different, but then Paragon Studios was shuttered out of nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Master GM Crumpet Posted April 13 Game Master Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Troo said: "Is there really a massive proc nerf just around the corner?" @Azari Yes. ..but not in the way you think; which may or may not be considered a "nerf" for the majority of the character base while the impact on edge cases may or may not be measurable at this time. Please check back periodically for any official updates. Players can always send in-game tells directly to GM_Bot. Repeated inquiries may provide different responses. In game inquiries should be in the following formats: /t GM_Bot, Is there really a massive proc nerf just around the corner? /t GM_Bot, seriously, are Procs being nerfed? /t GM_Bot, just tell me. /t GM_Bot, dude.. seriously? that sucks. Player may need to ask several times, several ways before the beans are spilled. You are going to take the advice of an artificial intelligence with a series of pre-programmed responses seriously? All hail our new GM Bot overlord!! (Just in case it's listening) 😛 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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