How many Masterminds are too many Masterminds?

[Psyonico]

16 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

What was interesting was that Clamor single-handedly caused near total team wipes.  That’s when I noticed she was standing by herself and fifty feet away there were twenty plus pets attacking a minion.  And that’s when I suggested that maybe target the AV?

That’s not the fault of MMs, that’s the fault of bad players.

[Jacke]

I plan to have one Mastermind for each Mastermind Primary some day.  So far, Robotics and Thugs, but not very high Level.

 

....

 

Maybe that wasn't on-topic.

 

Okay, here's a little macro that is great for those times the colour bleeding on the screen is starting to make your eyes look the same.

 

/macro FX "++noparticles"

 

Toggles particles off and on.

 

 

[arcane]

6 hours ago, GM Crumpet said:

I find it counter intuitive to be close to melee range as a blaster, but what the heck. That's what tanks and clouds of green numbers are for 🙂 

All of your friends and all of their buffs are in melee. This ain’t rocket science.

[Octogoat]

1 hour ago, Jacke said:

I plan to have one Mastermind for each Mastermind Primary some day.  So far, Robotics and Thugs, but not very high Level.

 

....

 

Maybe that wasn't on-topic.

 

Okay, here's a little macro that is great for those times the colour bleeding on the screen is starting to make your eyes look the same.

 

/macro FX "++noparticles"

 

Toggles particles off and on.

 

 

For the people that don't know this trick you can really give them the gift of eye blood by picking the binary aura

[GM Crumpet]

13 minutes ago, Octogoat said:

For the people that don't know this trick you can really give them the gift of eye blood by picking the binary aura

I generally use /noparticles 1 and /noparticles 0. Same thing but no macro

 

[Uun]

Ran an all mastermind Yin a week or two ago and @Oklahoman organized an all mastermind MoDD about a week before that. Both went swimmingly. I've also done all mastermind ITFs several times. I find all-mastermind teams a lot of fun, but it's not for everyone. The experience depends largely on the quality of the players.

[Oklahoman]

I've run several All MM MSRs, mainly on Everlasting a long time ago. The novelty wears off really quickly for that large of an event. But smaller team/league events are really fun.

[WanderingAries]

It's all fun and games until you have to find the glowie in a cave full of bots

Edited Saturday at 09:08 PM by WanderingAries

[Water]

5 hours ago, Octogoat said:

For the people that don't know this trick you can really give them the gift of eye blood by picking the binary aura

 

New optimal build.

 

[skoryy]

We had an all-storm ITF last night.  Five corrs, a defender, and my blaster.  I couldn't see diddly in the caves with all the hurricanes and Cat5s.  

 

It was glorious. Watching dark novas getting flung behind me had me laughing. Best task force I've had in a while!

[Psyonico]

4 minutes ago, skoryy said:

We had an all-storm ITF last night.  Five corrs, a defender, and my blaster.  I couldn't see diddly in the caves with all the hurricanes and Cat5s.  

 

It was glorious. Watching dark novas getting flung behind me had me laughing. Best task force I've had in a while!

I did an all storm/storm it’d a couple weeks ago, so just defenders and corrupters.  The chaos was amazing, but yeah, couldn’t see anything in the first 2 missions.

[Yomo Kimyata]

Ok, full disclosure after writing this post I decided to dust off some of my old masterminds who haven't seen light of day in quite some time.

 

I just now finished a pickup Yin where I was running a Merc/Time and we had three other MMs, two controllers, a scrapper, and I think a Rikti monkey.  Secondaries were Time, Empathy, Pain. Force Field, Poison, Marine.  I didn't lose a single pet until someone clicked the computers before the ambush and I didn't care in the slightest because it was a ridiculous steamroll.  Finished in 27:15 and I was surprised it took that long.

 

Visibility?  I don't know because I played the TF with my eyes shut.

[UltraAlt]

On 5/23/2025 at 9:52 PM, Yomo Kimyata said:

is it possible that there is such a thing as too many Masterminds on a team?

 

I have to say "yes".

I like seeing what I'm fighting.

 

I often have to use 

/macro fx0 "noparticles 1"

/macro fx1 "noparticles 0"

because,even on non-mastermind teams, the visual fx just get too much. They hurt my eyes, and, yeah, I can't see what I'm fighting.

 

So I definitely think there is a limit to the number masterminds on a team.

But, I think that - in honesty - if I'm playing a mastermind, I'm not as concerned about how many henchmen are are running running around as mine are part of this issue at that  point ... I'm not sure that make sense, but that is where I seem to be coming from on this in recollections of prior gaming experiences which ... sometimes to me at least ... bleed into the dream world sometimes and I can't always distinguish days after the fact what I dreamed up and what had/has actually gone on while I'm playing.

[Tacheyon]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:52 PM, Yomo Kimyata said:

This is not a trolling post, and I humbly request we keep it that way.

 

So the other day I led a Yin TF and had 4 of 8 Masterminds.  Let's just say that visibility wasn't great for the next (less than) thirty minutes.

 

Now, I like Masterminds.  Some of my best friends are Masterminds.  There's not an anti-Mastermind bone in my body (except possibly my stirrup)!  I even dated a Mastermind in college!  And I in no way feel like gatekeeping my PUGs, but is it possible that there is such a thing as too many Masterminds on a team?  Exceptions of course for all-Mastermind teams, which I find hilarious.

 

As someone who is Team Mastermind since Day One.  (Yes, even with all the micromanaging and disadvantages) there is no such thing as "Too Many MM's"

 

I consistently run All-MM's TF's of all combos.  Doing an all-Thugs MM with people running Double Gang War (Gang War then Burnout then Gang War again) is glorious and hilarious because there is an epic battle taking place....but you can't see it!

 

Besides...it's a Yin TF.  No one needs to see where all the Mobs are.  I think most of the player base has that memorized.

[Yomo Kimyata]

9 hours ago, UltraAlt said:

But, I think that - in honesty - if I'm playing a mastermind, I'm not as concerned about how many henchmen are are running running around as mine are part of this issue at that  point ...

 

That's exactly what I feel.  Weird!

[catsi563]

As someone who was part of the first all MM mission and SF team on red side at launch with my ninja poison MM Id say the answer is no there is no limit

 

that was so much fun and such a train wreck in caves

[8 Ball]

One of my favourite Homecoming events was an all MM Baf....(lord forgive anyone who lets a prisoner escape in that..) the AV's HP melted in front of us...so more MM's than that I guess...