Pylon Damage Thread

[SomeGuy]

That thugs/storm time by Zeraphia isn't surprising at all. I've always wondered how silly a Thugs/Cold MM with Burnout could do. I've gotten times between :26 and :36s with my Ice/Cold Corr and Crabstermind when popping lore and turning on Support. Debuffs and pets do crazy things.

 

Oh, I was averaging :52s with my TW/BIO before the nerf. I feel petty stating that, but it's definitely a gloat.

 

Did Olivia Crowley post that vid anywhere? I remember watching that vid and going "lol welp that's awesome". I coulda swore it was less than a minute.

 

Also, @Kachooman, this data is REALLY appreciated. You saw the list I made. I am a data nut. This is awesome.

Edited September 29, 2021 by SomeGuy

[brasilgringo]

Does anyone ( @nihilii?) have a post-nerf TW/BIO attack chain and slotting details?  I'd love to see some builds. 

[nihilii]

I've never been great at TW, only rode the train while it was blatantly overpowered. Still running the old attack chain with old slotting and it still seems to do 600+ DPS. Perhaps @Kanil knows better? I remember he had some thoughts on new TW during the changes.

[SomeGuy]

On 9/30/2021 at 7:28 PM, brasilgringo said:

Does anyone ( @nihilii?) have a post-nerf TW/BIO attack chain and slotting details?  I'd love to see some builds. 

 

Here's the chain I did to get my post-nerf average:

 

BM-(Momentum start)RA-AoD-FT-RA-AoD-FT-RA(Momentum end)-CB-(Momentum start)AoD-FT-RA-AoD{Momentum end)-CB-(Momentum start)FT-AoD-BM Repeat

 

Had ATO2 in Rend Armor and would open the fight with Melt Armor.

Edited October 2, 2021 by SomeGuy

[Ratch_]

On 5/25/2021 at 2:22 PM, Ratch_ said:

Don't know if I've seen anyone post a TW/BIO scrapper pylon time video post nerf, so here's what I got on a good run. Wouldn't say it's as fast as EM despite this time being close to the video I posted of EM, however new TW still has very excellent ST dps. Shout out to Kanil for helping me out with the string, slow RAs were key to getting faster times.
 

Edit: I think i can get a faster time with CB proc'd out rotation. Gonna gather a build up and run it tonight.

I have this post nerf 1:16 and you can see the chain i am using. I would say I would average 1:25-1:30 usually, anything below a 1:20 is just a pretty good run,

I never did go back and run a CB proc'd out rotation but having some time away has given me the impression that the optimal chain would involve using CB out of momentum if you don't get crit strikes proc, but use slow RA if you DO get the proc. Nothing else I would change about my attack chain though.

[SomeGuy]

17 hours ago, Ratch_ said:

I have this post nerf 1:16 and you can see the chain i am using. I would say I would average 1:25-1:30 usually, anything below a 1:20 is just a pretty good run,

I never did go back and run a CB proc'd out rotation but having some time away has given me the impression that the optimal chain would involve using CB out of momentum if you don't get crit strikes proc, but use slow RA if you DO get the proc. Nothing else I would change about my attack chain though.

 

Damn, I thought I had some streaky runs in the 1:20s. Having a run in the 1:10s would throw me way off. I've only had runs dip in to the 1:20s with my TW/BIO about a handful of times. And I've done a lot of runs finding a chain that works for me, I don't deviate from my chain, well for the most part. Not sure how much I'd like trying to be reactionary with a procced CB and crit strikes. Old habit from the old TW chain and WoW? I did have a run with my EM/BIO that was 1:05 (kanil remembers that one) that I immediately tossed cause the RNG was wayyyy to good on that one. It was just TF-ET (crit)-snipe-ET-TF-ET (crit) repeat. It was just dumb.

[Glorious]

I finally decided to stop lurking and to test my main (all-arounder Ice/Cold corruptor), which is mainly specced for +recharge and +def.

 

Ice/Cold Corruptor:

Alpha: Agility Core

Interface: Degenerative Radial

Judgement: Cryonic

Destiny: Clarion

Lore: Banished Pantheon

Hybrid: Assault Core

 

Results:

~2:50: Inactive hybrid, degen IF, no judgement.

~2:41: Active hybrid, degen IF, no judgement

~1:01: Active hybrid, judgement and lore used.

 

Could definitely be better if specced properly, but I was pleasantly surprised tbh.

[SomeGuy]

2 hours ago, DeleteThis said:

I finally decided to stop lurking and to test my main (all-arounder Ice/Cold corruptor), which is mainly specced for +recharge and +def.

 

Ice/Cold Corruptor:

 

 

This is a really fun combination to boot. I've gotten times between :26s-:36s when lore is popped, so I'm pretty sure your pets were just being weird on that one. And I do BP also. Like, the pylon's HP doesn't move at a crazy speed then all of a sudden it just straight disappears. It's like -RES works or something 😄

[Bill Z Bubba]

Figured this would be the best place for this question. Do the debuffs from the Achilles Heel Chance for DR Debuff stack or do they just refresh the duration? Say, if I had them slotted in all of Rad Melee's ST attacks...

[Arcadio]

19 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

Figured this would be the best place for this question. Do the debuffs from the Achilles Heel Chance for DR Debuff stack or do they just refresh the duration? Say, if I had them slotted in all of Rad Melee's ST attacks...

They don't stack from the same player it replaces, but the debuff does only last 10s so having it in multiple powers will help keep it up.

[Arcadio]

I've been playing around with a Psy/MC blaster on the test server:

 

2:40 - 3:20   ->   367 - 320 dps

 

Musculature Core, Degen Core , Assault Core (untoggled)

 

Varries on how often I get RftL/get KB'd(the build could still use some work). Fun combo though.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Arcadio

[Carnifax]

1 hour ago, Arcadio said:

They don't stack from the same player it replaces, but the debuff does only last 10s so having it in multiple powers will help keep it up.

They never stack full stop. They are coded so the enemy actually casts the debuff on themselves so they can never have two instances, even if a team of 8 rad blast defenders was spamming powers slotted with it.

[SomeGuy]

So I'm in the process of building Degen for my dudes. Completed it on my EM/BIo first.

 

This time is an average. Also, my play has gotten better.

 

EM/BIO/ZAPP     T4 Degen T4 Muscle T4 Ageless     1:19

 

And here is one I did for fun with Assault running.

 

1:01

 

I had a 1:06 for my average runs. I almost died on that one because ET kept critting and I was using it so much.

 

 

[SomeGuy]

I've been busy. All these times are an average of 10+ runs. Hybrid is NOT turned on. No Lore is used. T4 Muscle and Ageless.

 

Scrapper     EM/BIO           1:19 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     CLAWS/BIO     1:23 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     WM/BIO          1:27 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     Kat/BIO            1:28 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     IM/BIO             1:28 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     TW/BIO             1:29 (Degen/MA)

 

Claws shocked the hell out of me. It was wildly consistent. Kat is SUPER fast. War Mace is one cool chunky monkey. Ice Melee is deceiving as hell due to the DOT on Freezing Touch so it feels really streaky. Titan Weapons is still Titan Weapons.

 

I've got my Crab, Ice/Cold corruptor, and EM/FA brute to run again. Degen is noticeably better pylon DPS. Can't argue that, numbers don't lie.

[Bill Z Bubba]

3 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

Claws shocked the hell out of me. It was wildly consistent.

 

Yuuuuup. Edit: I find it very interesting that your times are so close on average. 10 second spread? Nice.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Bill Z Bubba

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

I find it very interesting that your times are so close on average. 10 second spread? Nice.

 

Big reason why I say a lot of the more popular sets are similar in performance. Hard to argue numbers. And I do build a lot of them very similar. But even then, other players putting out good numbers will show similar results.

[SomeGuy]

Crab     0:50 (Degen)

 

Brute     EM/FA    1:50 (Degen)

 

I got some pretty low times with the Crab (44s) and one weird run where pets died and got knocked back a few times that was 0:63s. But I threw Lore BP at one and the thing melts in 0:26s when I FORGET to turn on Hybrid. I did runs with the Ice/Cold corruptor and Degen is not a pylon DPS improvement for it. Pretty sure the amount of rains and other clicks give the debuff enough time to fall off. Whereas -RES is damage done.

 

I dunno why Degen isn't as good a benefit to my DB/BIO as the other guys. I seriously thought it would be like Claws. I was getting times between 1:35-1:40. I swapped back to reactive and I was getting 1:20-1:25 again. Some runs at 1:15.

[Kachooman]

Updated the Spreadsheet with these all.

[Bionic_Flea]

8 hours ago, Kachooman said:

Updated the Spreadsheet with these all.

Thanks for taking the time to put all this together.

 

*looks*

 

Holy Carp! I made top 10!

[Sovera]

18 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

I've been busy. All these times are an average of 10+ runs. Hybrid is NOT turned on. No Lore is used. T4 Muscle and Ageless.

 

Scrapper     EM/BIO           1:19 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     CLAWS/BIO     1:23 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     WM/BIO          1:27 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     Kat/BIO            1:28 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     IM/BIO             1:28 (Degen/Zapp)

Scrapper     TW/BIO             1:29 (Degen/MA)

 

Claws shocked the hell out of me. It was wildly consistent. Kat is SUPER fast. War Mace is one cool chunky monkey. Ice Melee is deceiving as hell due to the DOT on Freezing Touch so it feels really streaky. Titan Weapons is still Titan Weapons.

 

I've got my Crab, Ice/Cold corruptor, and EM/FA brute to run again. Degen is noticeably better pylon DPS. Can't argue that, numbers don't lie.

 

Dem some nutty times. Good show on collecting all the data. It's pretty interesting how the uber damage EM was very much in tune with oldie Claws despite all the praise EM collect.

 

I'm leveling an EM Brute atm and not feeling inspired. It is only going to take off once Energy Transfer comes online and though Total Focus hits like a truck it takes so long to animate I actually shy away from using it since it has a good chance to just hit a corpse.

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Sovera said:

 

Dem some nutty times. Good show on collecting all the data. It's pretty interesting how the uber damage EM was very much in tune with oldie Claws despite all the praise EM collect.

 

I'm leveling an EM Brute atm and not feeling inspired. It is only going to take off once Energy Transfer comes online and though Total Focus hits like a truck it takes so long to animate I actually shy away from using it since it has a good chance to just hit a corpse.

I have a EM/ElA and EM/FA brute. I really enjoy them both. But yeah, a lot of the praise for EM is probably because it was bad for SO LONG. Like, absolutely last. One of my fav quotes from a dev is "EM excels neither at ST or AOE." My first 50 villain was a EM/ENA Brute. ENA got made AWESOME before shutdown. EM stayed dead in the water. But man...I remember that change to EM. What a sad day.

 

I've always liked Total Focus. So I was pretty surprised I didn't latch on to Rad Melee more. I've definitely given it a real go, even had some help figuring out how to make it work really well for ST use, but it still didn't grab me. 😕 Good set, chonky feel. Wish I liked it more. Might give it another serious go.

[SomeGuy]

New average with Degen.

 

Brute     TW/ELA/MA     2:59 (Degen)

 

I also started opening with BM RA AOD CB RA AOD FT RA wanting to get the -RES proc from CB. Only on opening on a new target do I do that. Since the normal chain has CB enough to refresh the proc as it is. During the last 30s of Ageless I start to use Whirling Smash in place of the last RA in the BM chain, since there doesn't seem to be enough recharge to get a fast-cast RA any more (I don't want to risk a slow-cast RA).

 

I've got a EM/ElA/Gloom brute also, that does faster DPS times, but I like the EM/FA/Gloom brute more when I need to crank out scrapper level DPS and want to Brute. Both the ElA brutes are RES capped to SLFCE and DEF soft capped to SL.

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by SomeGuy

[Sovera]

1 minute ago, SomeGuy said:

New average with Degen.

 

Brute     TW/ELA/MA     2:59 (Degen)

 

I also started opening with BM RA AOD CB RA AOD FT RA wanting to get the -RES proc from CB. Only on opening on a new target do I do that. Since the normal chain has CB enough to refresh the proc as it is. During the last 30s of Ageless I start to use Whirling Smash in place of the last RA in the BM chain, since there doesn't seem to be enough recharge to get a fast-cast RA any more (I don't want to risk a slow-cast RA).

 

I've got a EM/ElA/Gloom brute also, that does faster DPS times, but I like the EM/FA/Gloom brute more when I need to crank out scrapper level DPS and want to Brute. Both are RES capped to SLFCE and DEF soft capped to SL.

 

 

What makes Electric Armor do more damage than Fire Armor? You'd think a second BU and Burn would handilly tip the balance.

[SomeGuy]

Just now, Sovera said:

 

What makes Electric Armor do more damage than Fire Armor? You'd think a second BU and Burn would handilly tip the balance.

 

Maybe I wrote that wrong. I've never seen any kind of evidence (my own or someone else's) that gives Electric Armor the DPS edge over Fire Armor. Fiery Embrace and Burn are that good. Electric Armor is a freaking beast at staying alive though, and doing really good DPS. Might be my fav armor in terms of blending the two. It's not the best at either, but I don't know of a better balance.

 

Hell, you can look at the time difference between my EM/FA and EM/ElM. It's almost a minute. Not to mention the FA does crazy AOE.

[Sovera]

49 minutes ago, SomeGuy said:

 

Maybe I wrote that wrong. I've never seen any kind of evidence (my own or someone else's) that gives Electric Armor the DPS edge over Fire Armor. Fiery Embrace and Burn are that good. Electric Armor is a freaking beast at staying alive though, and doing really good DPS. Might be my fav armor in terms of blending the two. It's not the best at either, but I don't know of a better balance.

 

Hell, you can look at the time difference between my EM/FA and EM/ElM. It's almost a minute. Not to mention the FA does crazy AOE.

 

 

Yeah, it was

56 minutes ago, SomeGuy said:

I've got a EM/ElA/Gloom brute also, that does faster DPS times, but I like the EM/FA/Gloom brute more when I need to crank out scrapper level DPS and want to Brute. Both are RES capped to SLFCE and DEF soft capped to SL.

 

that confused me 😄