Bill Z Bubba

Works for me but it should be a group effort. Get all the secondaries into the mix.

Ahh, insults. The last bastion of the wrong when caught being wrong. I don't care. What's your test plan to prove that regen provides equitable mitigation to the other armor sets? Or do you really have absolutely nothing?

Excellent. Now you're getting somewhere. What test would you like to propose? We need something other than "it works for me because I enjoy taking my time, pulling, kiting," etc, etc.

Who's putting words in whose mouth? I called clicks hoops. I never stated that heals and regen clicks weren't mitigation.

Nope. But you can get Lucky at 28 which stacks on any pool defense you might already have and completes your scaling damres.

Gimped out meaning actual mitigation provided. Playing like a blaster means hopping around the battlefield like a bunny on crack and/or leaning on the big buff T5 pools powers. I'm not putting words into your mouth. I'm doing nothing but taking what's being said by the pro-regen crowd and comparing it to other playstyles and builds. Again, two completely different arguments getting crossed. One is: I like the set as is. This is an unarguable opinion. The other is: The set provides less mitigation than its counterparts. This is not an opinion.

Hard to underestimate being able to triple stack a single IO for 20.1% damres to EVERYTHING. So damned broken.

Still means you're waiting until 38 for a somewhat functional build and then it still underperforms. But again, you be you. I fully understand willfully playing gimped out characters for the fun of it. Swipe-only/Inv scrapper soloed to 50 comes to mind. As does my new melee-centric dark/sr sentinel that's currently running with gloom, air superiority, boxing and kick. Hell, I have an sg-mate that runs a toggle-less inv tank. Enjoy!

Exactly how I can't take claims of equitable mitigation when they're nothing more than "I like playing and building my armored character like a blaster" seriously. So you keep doin you as well.

Yes, it matters to me how much DPS is lost or how much more time it takes me to wipe out a map, due to how much time I have to spend kiting around and constantly clicking on powers from my secondary and/or pools just to keep from eating dirt. I understand that it doesn't matter to you and that this is why you feel the set is fine as is.

And again, I enjoy watching my peacebringer in action. Doesn't mean it's good at anything. But I do completely agree: if the constant need to monitor and react is the appeal, great, add the recharge and regen debuff resistance and call it a day.

Counterpoint: The other sets are managing to survive withOUT those T9s rather than it being an absolutely necessary tool for survival. And then to add in T5 pool powers ... hell, you might as well be building a blaster.

4 clicks all in heavy rotation. And that's if, like others posting about regen, you're not also leaning on one or more of the T5 pool powers. Council at +1/x2. Welcome to running away due to your recharge being floored. No recharge, no clicks, no mitigation, dead. Player "skill" don't enter into it. What TF would you like to compare notes about, solo at max diff with no insps and no faceplants? Hell, you pick the primary as well. It won't matter. What are *your* regen's trapdoor and pylon times? You're welcome. Glad to help.

I've only been back to back monkeyed once. Oddly enough, it made me click it more during combat as a way to thumb my nose at RNGeezus.

I had a much longer post... but it's just going round and round. Like regen? Use it. Play it. Enjoy it. Ignore the rest of us constantly giggling at all the hoops you have to jump through just to avoid faceplanting.

I don't have enough hell no for this.

Yes, pls. Touch of Fear and Soul Drain in Dark Melee suffer from the same. Wouldn't mind a cap on the visual FX either.

My new fire/regen brute hit 21. Gotta say, with SOs and at this level, it is by far the weakest armor. Which I expect it to be all the way up. Resilience is a notable help once you have it. It'll be 6 slotted shortly with steadfast +def, glad armor +def and 4 unbreakable guard. DDR or not, at least the enemy alpha strike will have less of a chance to land. Does this mean it can't be played? Obviously not. Something can be the worst and still playable after all.

That is another benefit of waiting on 50 before bothering will all the accolades. Goes much faster that way.

It can become addictive. Some Sat morning you wake up, think "huh, haven't done any TFC work on that one characeter," next thing ya know, you've got TFC from soloing them all.

This makes sense to me.

So where are we actually at on this discussion? We've got the nerf crowd. Nerf defense, nerf IOs, nerf incarnate powers, nerf level shifts, nerf procs. We've got the buff crowd. We know the devs are in this camp with the caveat of "always make it optional," but this doesn't really change anything because it's optional. At least it does give those at the bleeding edge a chance to get curb stomped. We've got the crowd that doesn't agree or care about the premise. So what if it's too easy? That's the point! So give us that clear map button usable once every 10 minutes! Or it's not too easy! Play with SOs at max diff sometime and see how easy it is. And then they join the aforementioned buffed crowd for a TF on relentless and turn into a fine red paste at first contact. That about sum it all up?

Do you feel that there should be some kind of global mitigation nerf because of it?

And that's how you completely ignore a point and reality, folks. If the incarnate tohit buff has to be removed, then all tohit buffs have to be dealt with. Wow.

The answer lay in why the defense hard caps are currently between 3.8 and 5 times the softcap, depending on AT.