Force Redux

Thank for the build Dixa. This topic is feeding my altism. ::)

Ancedotal experience: playing on Everlasting, never had this problem. Same when I played on Virtue back in the day. FWIW, I'm not a RPer, I just like the RP communities. :)

I endorse this!

Pain likes recharge. You can also build for defense. Someone just posted a def capped /Pain build around here in the last 24 hours...

Eventually you'll get a good sense of timing on the shield duration and you will be applying them before they drop but not too early.

That's what I do. I'm primarily a Red-side player, but I visit Gull the Null in Pocket D, get turned into a Rogue, and so I can do both sides depending. I was in a Virgil Tarakos SF recently, was a lot of fun. I tend to group until I get big bot too. Then I go back to Oro and do the lowbie missions I glossed over. Have fun!

Good thoughts Oldskool. I agree its all about personal mileage, but having solid info to work with is important, so appreciate your insights.

Most Sentinel builds (with the exception of Fire/, /Fire or /Bio) will have lower damage as a tradeoff for safety. If you can work with it until you start to slot up and IO, and then Incarnate, you'll get better results and damage will be better. But its consistent damage that doesn't worry about faceplanting, so definitely not the high-risk high-reward Blaster lifestyle. Take this with a grain of salt, hwoever, as I play and enjoy Defenders (even solo), so my tolerance for lower damage is higher than most.

This is good to know. So the search results on AH will turn up both unattuned AND attuned versions of the desired IO? This is not for recipes, just enhancements, yes? (so far I've only purchased recipes)

Here's a basic build that you can use. I'd work first on the two +Defense and +Resistance bonuses from the Pets and Recharge Intensive Pets sets. The ATO ones you can work on next, depending on cost. Hell on Earth is your mule for carrying those IOs. Demon Prince can use a couple of procs, what you want to use is up to you, or you could use some of the slotting to enhance his controls. I put in Corruption, since its a good quick-cycling -RES attack with range, and will help you take down harder targets. Lots of the slotting is up to you, I'd go with 25 IOs once you hit 22nd level and then higher as you level, depending on your budget. You should see solid performance with just the pet aura IOs above, and even before then. TBH, Patron Pool doesn't really matter, just get what fits your concept and your playstyle. Have fun! Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Sorcery Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Summon Demonlings (A) Empty (43) Empty (45) Empty (45) Empty (45) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura (46) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen Level 1: Twilight Grasp (A) Empty (13) Empty (13) Empty (15) Empty (43) Empty (43) Empty Level 2: Tar Patch (A) Empty (3) Empty (3) Empty (9) Empty (11) Empty (11) Empty Level 4: Darkest Night (A) Empty (5) Empty (5) Empty (7) Empty (7) Empty (9) Empty Level 6: Enchant Demon (A) Empty Level 8: Hover (A) Empty Level 10: Mystic Flight (A) Empty Level 12: Summon Demons (A) Empty Level 14: Howling Twilight (A) Empty (15) Empty Level 16: Shadow Fall (A) Empty (17) Empty (17) Empty (42) Empty (46) Empty (46) Empty Level 18: Hell on Earth (A) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus (19) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus (19) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets (42) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets Level 20: Fearsome Stare (A) Empty (21) Empty (21) Empty (40) Empty (40) Empty (42) Empty Level 22: Maneuvers (A) Empty (23) Empty (23) Empty (37) Empty (39) Empty (40) Empty Level 24: Tactics (A) Empty (25) Empty (25) Empty (36) Empty (37) Empty (37) Empty Level 26: Summon Demon Prince (A) Empty (27) Empty (27) Empty (34) Empty (34) Empty (36) Empty Level 28: Petrifying Gaze (A) Empty (29) Empty (29) Empty (33) Empty (34) Empty (36) Empty Level 30: Corruption (A) Empty (31) Empty (31) Empty (31) Empty (33) Empty (33) Empty Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment (A) Empty Level 35: Spirit Ward (A) Empty Level 38: Dark Servant (A) Empty (39) Empty (39) Empty (50) Empty Level 41: Rune of Protection (A) Empty Level 44: Scorpion Shield (A) Empty (48) Empty (50) Empty (50) Empty Level 47: Vengeance (A) Empty Level 49: Victory Rush (A) Empty Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Dash (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Quick (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Rush (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Surge (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Empty Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift (A) Empty Level 2: Health (A) Empty Level 2: Hurdle (A) Empty Level 2: Stamina (A) Empty (48) Empty (48) Empty ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1282;531;1062;HEX;| |78DA6593CB4EDB401486C789D3900B4D42088186943B49B8B889E8BE124DE9064B4| |8A885B6AA222B9860919BEC4482252F8084902A10A2E509BAEE2BF435BA63D1CBA2| |5DA727678EEAA38E257F137FF39FC9CCD8639E54E39F5F9E3D135AF279D3F2BC9A6| |9793DDB6D39ED839069359C7A50C015867BCEEFA9EDF65BAD4EDBA8DA407A70DA8D| |1C4B6CF60F0F8DAAE51ED74CC7F25A9688ED743A4D63ABE9348E7A71FCBDDB71EBB| |67B9AC0876DDB3AB05DEFC8E9CACE2DA7D7B63D6FFA45D7A91B6C5CD3AADB34C7D3| |4998D512DCD74941D7202406708915E41AE75758484517EB6F746C5FE9FFD7C4191| |FB251245F435EA3BC8626C038828C32EE413E48F9201A9DF101A3ACBD813584645E| |84D044C272DF87268CE612161B211341730B5531323134FBF0BFA3D268A36C2DC36| |527683E093449C612729DF1238C9C92F960EA8FC03D1BBB87B600EDEF003E97BE41| |9BD7C55B183B4D63A7B17A9CB1C028FF2705CBCA503E8366827111B9CCAAD290CF5| |23E8B6692718155497E82B94F517E0ACD23C6394659FB0EE69FA37C0ECD34E3AC92| |BF82F1F394CFA379AC7096F10EF233F49666D05CC09B9C27338FE6BD2EBFE5E17E2| |FB11D90AC203F40A0485545345FE0135BA5AA55344F585E721C76CFA02A03CD398C| |532653962BF54F83A013A498B2622A8AD950CC53C56C2BC6F4CD60C73F67429EB34| |8F2DF491A7C8F42AFC67B7F2AE687627EF926A0B15D92FC0BCAAC0FA3| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

I think the clear synergy with Ninjutsu and DP is with Hail of Bullets, which can boost your defense, particularly with melee or aoe, where you might want the bump. The best synergy IMO is with Dark Blast, due to the -to hit in each attack, but there are some nice little bonuses with Swap Ammo, specifically with Fire's DOT and Toxic's -damage that are helpful both offensively and defensively. This coming from a guy who rolled a Force Field/Energy Blast Defender and leveled it to Incarnate back in the day, so take that with a grain of salt, lol. Have fun, that's the best synergy. Its a fun (and fairly effective) combo.

SR has better scaling resists with lower health and the best defense debuff resists, that's true. But let's also not go too far to the other direction and say because of that its not an equal choice. THAT all depends on what you are looking for. Ninjutusu offers things that SR does not. A heal. And Endurance recovery power. Stealth. (personally I never cared for or bothered much with Blinding Powder, but Caltrops was okay). While tehy might not be important for some SR builds focused only on 'higher DEF numbers', Ninjutsu can reach the iCap as well, and without much effort (I did it without Fighting Pool or purple/PvP sets, for instance). And while it doesn't have the debuff resists of SR (nothing else does), it can fall back on its Tier 9 just as Elude can to cover CDF. What SR as a Sent does have is Master Brawler, which I like...a lot. It negates some damage while Ninjutsu heals it back (what leaks through). TLDR: SR is not superior to Nin, they are well balanced, but offer different things to different players - hence its value varies depending on your criteria. Apples. Oranges.

Brings back good memories!

The joy of finding another favorite build in the game is one of the highlights of play... As well as it's curse...! Lol... Darn alts!

I think that would be a fun build! Pistol visuals are fun to watch.

I am not OP, but if you still wanna make the build it will help me a lot with mine Absolutely! Fully IOd or just a budget 50 build as you farm for Inf? budget 50 sounds nice to start with I'll put one up tomorrow :)

Than you Bob!

Looking good... And expensive lol. Quick thoughts... I'd definitely put all the pet aura IOs in soul extraction and slot it with nothing else. It's there to be a slot mule, not a real pet. I like the procs in Grace Knight but they need more accuracy, they are your primary damage dealers Try: Acc/Dam Acc/Dam/End Acc/Dam/End Slot your Lich for control & debuffs... move that aura to Soul Extraction. Have fun, I love necro dark!

May I ask the general focus of the build? Based on what you're asking, I'm guessing Teaming mostly, instead of solo? Do you want to focus on heals? Buffs? Are you sold on only pain or empathy? I prefer Pain on MMs because of how a few of the powers were modified for MMs. What do you like out of each set? What appeals?

For the cheap version of the above, just use level 25 IOs when you hit level 22. Sell everything before then, and slog through without. Don't worry about IO sets. Your pets will be taking the brunt of the damagea and you don't need much Defense yourself other than what your powers give with basic slotting. WHen you IO, you should prioritize: 1. Overwhelming Force KB to KD IO in Big Bot. 2. Pet +Defense Aura IOs first. 3. Pet +Resist Aura IOs whenever. 4. Whatever else suits your fancy.

Here's my current leveling build. Only one IO, which is the KB to KD IO from Overwhelming Force set, which you can get from Summer Blockbuster mission reward. Even mostly unslotted (I don't slot until I hit level 22 and start making 25 IOs) it is good on END thanks to the END recovery power. Have fun! Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Death Note: Level 50 Magic Sentinel Primary Power Set: Dark Blast Secondary Power Set: Ninjitsu Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Sorcery Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Dark Blast (A) Accuracy IO (3) Damage Increase IO (3) Damage Increase IO (5) Endurance Reduction IO (5) Recharge Reduction IO (7) Range IO Level 1: Ninja Reflexes (A) Defense Buff IO (7) Defense Buff IO (9) Endurance Reduction IO Level 2: Gloom (A) Accuracy IO (9) Damage Increase IO (11) Damage Increase IO (11) Endurance Reduction IO (13) Recharge Reduction IO (13) Range IO Level 4: Danger Sense (A) Defense Buff IO (15) Defense Buff IO (15) Endurance Reduction IO Level 6: Shinobi-Iri (A) Defense Buff IO (17) Defense Buff IO (17) Endurance Reduction IO Level 8: Hover (A) Freebird - +Stealth Level 10: Kuji-In Rin (A) Recharge Reduction IO (19) Recharge Reduction IO Level 12: Umbral Torrent (A) Accuracy IO (19) Damage Increase IO (21) Recharge Reduction IO (21) Endurance Reduction IO (23) Range IO (23) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown Level 14: Mystic Flight (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 16: Seishinteki Kyoyo (A) Endurance Modification IO (50) Recharge Reduction IO (50) Recharge Reduction IO Level 18: Antumbral Beam (A) Accuracy IO (25) Damage Increase IO (25) Damage Increase IO (27) Recharge Reduction IO (27) Endurance Reduction IO (29) Range IO Level 20: Kuji-In Sha (A) Healing IO (29) Recharge Reduction IO (31) Recharge Reduction IO Level 22: Dark Obliteration (A) Accuracy IO (31) Damage Increase IO (31) Damage Increase IO (33) Endurance Reduction IO (33) Recharge Reduction IO (33) Range IO Level 24: Aim (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 26: Maneuvers (A) Defense Buff IO (34) Defense Buff IO (34) Defense Buff IO (34) Endurance Reduction IO (45) Endurance Reduction IO (45) Endurance Reduction IO Level 28: Bo Ryaku (A) Resist Damage IO Level 30: Abyssal Gaze (A) Accuracy IO (36) Hold Duration IO (37) Hold Duration IO (37) Endurance Reduction IO (37) Recharge Reduction IO (39) Range IO Level 32: Tactics (A) To Hit Buff IO (46) To Hit Buff IO (46) To Hit Buff IO (46) Endurance Reduction IO (48) Endurance Reduction IO (48) Endurance Reduction IO Level 35: Blackstar (A) Accuracy IO (36) Damage Increase IO (36) Damage Increase IO (39) Endurance Reduction IO (39) Recharge Reduction IO (40) Recharge Reduction IO Level 38: Soul Tentacles (A) Accuracy IO (40) Damage Increase IO (40) Damage Increase IO (42) Endurance Reduction IO (42) Recharge Reduction IO (42) Range IO Level 41: Darkest Night (A) To Hit Debuff IO (43) To Hit Debuff IO (43) Endurance Reduction IO (43) Endurance Reduction IO (45) Recharge Reduction IO (48) Recharge Reduction IO Level 44: Vengeance (A) Defense Buff IO Level 47: Kuji-In Retsu (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 49: Victory Rush (A) Endurance Modification IO Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Dash (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Quick (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Rush (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Surge (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Empty Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift (A) Empty Level 2: Health (A) Empty Level 2: Hurdle (A) Empty Level 2: Stamina (A) Empty (50) Empty ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1435;590;1180;HEX;| |78DA6554DB8ED250143D052AC3658661981B9D295346EE60071CDF4D14C7A8C08CF| |201A4618E502565423B893EFA03BEF81F3EFA1F26DEE29B1FE0E5CDC4C4E0B66715| |2D6DA08BAEBDD7DAABA7A7749FB593AFEFBEB8C9A4B5DB13C3B6077D6E39A6C5277| |2D71899434647BCCD0D67ACF5A60E8FD2A5E2750C1E19D6889FEB6D63F674708BC4| |4E76516AF3C7DCB2B9DE33AD27A6635FB2C4D9743AD14F26E668EC24DDDFFDE96CC| |867CF53EE45871BE77C668FCD0B513C311D8BDBB672E7C21CEA0BD7FEF47232E8D2| |20D2ED5294027DDF96198EB9CC1482568485543F46F2C0BAC02B3581F72A8492AB0| |DB11C6AC015683E96D142FE12FC57E01BF710BD49F827E17F9FFCC3F00FC377CD43| |681E508F8C1E19B5750FD113A3758F8A1E16FD2DB95C877431E92F39976298BB017| |C53652C81CC0964DE40D64DF46CC27B1B59B7BF845D7C55646C5568D92A7ABA342B| |25B8504A135CABEEC74FB44E69CC4C63E6AEEA4705BD0A7CF731BB47FE19F8670AA| |8A13707FC40FE5BF0DF827F4EF5A3065F0D1A0DFEEF49BB837BDA412D4D6B9A156B| |2A67B1DEF965845F63094F29EF1E9EC75E4370EF68868A7C2AF25D2D0A2C78087D0| |1194AC897A12C07C872705D70D79611DAA325FC4C730F31F7D09BABFAB184DE12E6| |96813F699F14A12D425B56FD5885B60A4D15997F91B6026DE55870350FF37E6C407| |BE4ED3DBADF3A9E471D6BFD90CC74703AFA5E52B826B826F6DD7E64F1BED3870E56| |0B30CD00D30A30C701E64680E90498B3C8E2DF80492E135BA7775C30F3AF71AA4AF| |F57BF07986F01E6C73F46124CCB3DFF0106D4DB98| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Here you go. A basic template for slotting, powers and critical Pet IOs. The open slots you can do as you wish, either with basic IOs, sets, or frankenslotting. I put Hami-Os in Dark Servant, myself. This build assumes no Tankerminding, which I generally don't do, unless I were to AV hunt, in which case make a separate build for that. Then you'd need Provoke and possibly Fighting Pool to make yourself tougher. Let me know if any questions. Perhaps some of the other MM experts on the forum may provide additional insights! Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Necromancy Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Sorcery Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Zombie Horde (A) Empty (5) Empty (7) Empty (7) Empty (9) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus (9) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus Level 1: Twilight Grasp (A) Empty (11) Empty (11) Empty (13) Empty (13) Empty (15) Empty Level 2: Tar Patch (A) Empty (5) Empty (15) Empty (17) Empty (17) Empty (50) Empty Level 4: Darkest Night (A) Empty (19) Empty (19) Empty (21) Empty (21) Empty (23) Empty Level 6: Enchant Undead (A) Empty Level 8: Hover (A) Empty Level 10: Mystic Flight (A) Empty Level 12: Grave Knight (A) Empty (23) Empty (25) Empty (25) Empty (27) Empty (27) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage Level 14: Howling Twilight (A) Empty (48) Empty Level 16: Shadow Fall (A) Empty (29) Empty (29) Empty (31) Empty (31) Empty (31) Empty Level 18: Spirit Ward (A) Empty Level 20: Fearsome Stare (A) Empty (33) Empty (33) Empty (33) Empty (34) Empty (34) Empty Level 22: Maneuvers (A) Empty (34) Empty (36) Empty (36) Empty Level 24: Soul Extraction (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets (36) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets (37) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura (50) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen Level 26: Lich (A) Empty (37) Empty (37) Empty (39) Empty (39) Empty (39) Empty Level 28: Petrifying Gaze (A) Empty (40) Empty (40) Empty (40) Empty (42) Empty (50) Empty Level 30: Tactics (A) Empty (42) Empty (42) Empty (43) Empty (43) Empty (43) Empty Level 32: Dark Empowerment (A) Empty Level 35: Rune of Protection (A) Empty Level 38: Dark Servant (A) Empty (48) Empty (48) Empty Level 41: Dark Embrace (A) Empty (46) Empty Level 44: Soul Tentacles (A) Empty (45) Empty (45) Empty (45) Empty (46) Empty (46) Empty Level 47: Victory Rush (A) Empty Level 49: Vengeance (A) Empty Level 1: Brawl (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Dash (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Quick (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Rush (A) Empty Level 1: Prestige Power Surge (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Empty Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift (A) Empty Level 2: Health (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery Level 2: Hurdle (A) Empty Level 2: Stamina (A) Empty (3) Performance Shifter - EndMod (3) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End ------------

I had an Incarnate Necro/Dark on live, and I'm leveling another again this time around. It's a great combo, keeps you active and involved. One you put all your pet unique +Def/resist IOs slotted in soul extraction your pets become much tougher. And between your controls and debuffs, and those from Lich and Dark Fluffy, things become very safe. I'll try to post my build later today.

Should be worth mentioning that Ninjutsu has a better heal than Dehydrate, plus has an Endurance bar refill clicky power, a very nice god mode, and offers extra movement speed and stealth. Plus the resistance passive is good for a global defense IO. SR is awesome, but depending on what's important for someone, Ninjutsu has a lot to offer as well.

I'll post mine later!