Storm tornado knockback

[GamerRick]

I have an ice/storm controller. I like the combo for thematic reasons.  When I finally was able to take Tornado I was bummed. I have seen so many times where people lambaste people for using powers with knockback.  
 

With that, why would you take Tornado?  In a group setting I would never use it unless maybe as a Hail Mary after half the team has died. As is, ice/storm is pitiful at soloing so it is really team dependent in my opinion. 
 

I know lightning storm has knockback but it is a single target and not a chaotic group mess. 
 

I tried searching for a topic about my question but could not weed through all the posts returned.  It’s probably been ask before. 

[macskull]

Just now, GamerRick said:

I have an ice/storm controller. I like the combo for thematic reasons.  When I finally was able to take Tornado I was bummed. I have seen so many times where people lambaste people for using powers with knockback.  
 

With that, why would you take Tornado?  In a group setting I would never use it unless maybe as a Hail Mary after half the team has died. As is, ice/storm is pitiful at soloing so it is really team dependent in my opinion. 
 

I know lightning storm has knockback but it is a single target and not a chaotic group mess. 
 

I tried searching for a topic about my question but could not weed through all the posts returned.  It’s probably been ask before. 

A knockback -> knockdown IO fixes this. Tornado really shines (even without KB->KD) during sustained single-target fights against things like AVs where its damage against a target actually becomes significant.

[GamerRick]

3 minutes ago, macskull said:

knockback -> knockdown IO

What?  There is a way to change KB into KD?  How?  What IO does this?  Do I need a set or is it available in DO or SO enhancements?

Edited February 21, 2020 by GamerRick

[merrypessimist]

The Overwhelming Force KB>KD/Damage IO increases the power's damage a bit AND turns its knockback into knockdown.  The Sudden Acceleration set has a KB>KD ONLY IO, that you can slot as many times as you like.

 

edit:  The Overwhelming Force is a universal damage set, and all its parts are uniques.  Sudden Acceleration is a Knockback set, and none of the components are uniques.

Edited February 22, 2020 by merrypessimist
clarification, error correction

[GamerRick]

Awesome. Thank you. 

[Mr. Vee]

Overwhelming one is damage/kb to kd, not recharge/

[Bopper]

1 hour ago, GamerRick said:

What?  There is a way to change KB into KD?  How?  What IO does this?  Do I need a set or is it available in DO or SO enhancements?

Do you play on Excelsior? I'll give you some.

[Pengatron]

Tanks and Brutes like to gather the mobs close in for their pbaoe's and threat generation.

 

Targeted AoE powers want the mobs tightly packed for maximum effect. Things like Geyser, Fulcrum Shift, and such get max effect from tightly packed mobs.

 

[Twisted Toon]

4 minutes ago, Pengatron said:

Tanks and Brutes like to gather the mobs close in for their pbaoe's and threat generation.

 

Targeted AoE powers want the mobs tightly packed for maximum effect. Things like Geyser, Fulcrum Shift, and such get max effect from tightly packed mobs.

 

Very true. Intelligent use of Knockback can help position the mobs near the Tanks/Brutes/Scrappers/Stalkers.

 

That being said, Tornado is a difficult power to control the KB.

[merrypessimist]

3 hours ago, Veelectric Boogaloo said:

Overwhelming one is damage/kb to kd, not recharge/

That's what I originally wrote, and then for some reason thought "isn't it recharge? I think it's recharge." 

[Clave Dark 5]

4 hours ago, Bopper said:

Do you play on Excelsior? I'll give you some.

Well I play on Excelsior now too!  😉

[Dazl]

Yeah Sudden Acceleration KB>KD is very handy for those pesky knock back powers.  I was once in a group forming a Manticore and saw the leader kick out a stormy for not having the KB>KD. The leader was indignant that the person didn't have it, when it was probably that the player just didn't know about it. Heck the leader could have just hit the AH and got them one to help the player, rather than demean them.

[SwitchFade]

50+ Earth)storm controller here.

 

Tornado is the Bomb Diggity. Take, slot it with io sets and the KB>KD io, instantly transforms the power into a big dps power, an aggro tool, so on. Tornado with KB>KD is a must have on a stormie.

[MunkiLord]

27 minutes ago, Crimsonpyre said:

Yeah Sudden Acceleration KB>KD is very handy for those pesky knock back powers.  I was once in a group forming a Manticore and saw the leader kick out a stormy for not having the KB>KD. The leader was indignant that the person didn't have it, when it was probably that the player just didn't know about it. Heck the leader could have just hit the AH and got them one to help the player, rather than demean them.

This is an example of a person I one star and simply don't play with going forward.

 

20 minutes ago, SwitchFade said:

50+ Earth)storm controller here.

 

Tornado is the Bomb Diggity. Take, slot it with io sets and the KB>KD io, instantly transforms the power into a big dps power, an aggro tool, so on. Tornado with KB>KD is a must have on a stormie.

I recently created an Energy/Storm Corruptor, and this is absolutely my plan with Tornado.