Nemu Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 second animation for a single target non-snipe attack that doesn't do snipe level damage, delayed projectile delivery, semi slow projectile. Concentrated Strike users rejoice, there is a power that's even more feel bad than CS, on a power used by squishier ATs no less. Regen nerf herders lament because regen nerfs are nothing compared to what's done to this power. Nerf Regen! Maybe in the past there are concerns about -RES being OP but OP has moved on and settled on other game metas and it's certainly not the clunky AF sonic blast set. I'm not going to get into the sonic AoEs which are also clunky, let's focus on shout. Is there any reason not to speed up the animation and the damage delivery of shout? What am I not seeing? 1 Liberty, Torchbearer, Excelsior, Everlasting Jezebel Delias Level 50 Fire/Elec/Mace Blaster I am the Inner Circle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monos King Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Nemu said: What am I not seeing? Well you see, there's a curious relationship between Sonic sound fx files and it's encoded damage formula. The more effective its dps, the louder the powers are. You can see the dilemma. 1 1 The Mastermind Enthusiast City of Heroes Lore Discord MM Global Changes | The MM Wishlist Temporary Powers | Omnibus' Alchemist Archetype Is The Game Too Easy (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindingsucks Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I'm sorry for your troubles, and yet, the title of this topic nearly made me spew coffee on my keyboard. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aethereal Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 There is nothing you aren't seeing, and I thought it was weird to introduce sonic manipulation when its most obvious pairing is perhaps the most underperforming blaster primary. Seems like a recipe for convincing players to try something they won't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Shout? 32 minutes ago, Nemu said: shout Let it all out. 7 Done with the Kheld "community" here. Since they obviously don't care about anything lore wise and crap on people who do. Kheld backstory guide might be uploaded in a non-Homecoming location when I finish the revision. No, it may not be put on the HC wiki, and what was there of my first one has been removed. Please do not reupload. I'm not giving the people here the benefit of the work just to be crapped on and told "lol, lore for a lore based AT, doesn't matter, f you." (Note, this refers to the playerbase, not the devs.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejolt Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) These are the nerfs I can do without.Come on, I'm talking to devs, come on Edited December 15, 2020 by Rejolt 3 Thanks for D-Sync Enhancements! Just wish things like Resist/End, Heal/End and Damage/Mez had a third stat that made them more viable. Suggestions - add Recharge to Ribosomes, Range to Golgis, and Slows to Peroxisomes. These changes would allow for an endurance cost/range, recharge/endurance, and slow/mez or slow/damage enhancements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Crush Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 In violent times you shouldn't need to sell your soul for a buff (and off of continuing the game, Shout's effectiveness is tied with Regen's for some reason, if you want the blast improved buff Regen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Monos King said: Well you see, there's a curious relationship between Sonic sound fx files and it's encoded damage formula. The more effective its dps, the louder the powers are. You can see the dilemma. That's why when I play sonic, I crank up the volume to max and play it through my Dolby 7.1 surround sound system via Bluetooth. I literally one shot anything less than Hami. Hami takes me 2 hits per mito, and 5 for the Hamidon itself. Definitely endorse cranking the volume to max when playing Sonic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindingsucks Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Greycat said: Shout? Let it all out. 2 hours ago, Rejolt said: These are the nerfs I can do without.Come on, I'm talking to devs, come on 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Zot Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, SeraphimKensai said: That's why when I play sonic, I crank up the volume to max and play it through my Dolby 7.1 surround sound system via Bluetooth. I literally one shot anything less than Hami. Hami takes me 2 hits per mito, and 5 for the Hamidon itself. Definitely endorse cranking the volume to max when playing Sonic. You must really enjoy inflicting migraines on everyone in your house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejolt Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 For the record, as an electrical blaster fan and wanting Tesla Cage, Short Circuit and Voltaic Sentinel to get reworked...., Shout needs it more. 1 Thanks for D-Sync Enhancements! Just wish things like Resist/End, Heal/End and Damage/Mez had a third stat that made them more viable. Suggestions - add Recharge to Ribosomes, Range to Golgis, and Slows to Peroxisomes. These changes would allow for an endurance cost/range, recharge/endurance, and slow/mez or slow/damage enhancements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemu Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 7 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said: That's why when I play sonic, I crank up the volume to max and play it through my Dolby 7.1 surround sound system via Bluetooth. I literally one shot anything less than Hami. Hami takes me 2 hits per mito, and 5 for the Hamidon itself. Definitely endorse cranking the volume to max when playing Sonic. Lil Jon fully endorses this. WHAT? Liberty, Torchbearer, Excelsior, Everlasting Jezebel Delias Level 50 Fire/Elec/Mace Blaster I am the Inner Circle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 9:50 AM, Greycat said: Shout? Let it all out. These are the things I can do without. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rathulfr Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Player2 said: These are the things I can do without. Come on, I'm talking to you. Edited December 16, 2020 by Rathulfr @Rathstar Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Rathulfr said: Come on, I'm talking to you. Come on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macskull Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 I'm pretty sure Shout is like the only t3 blast power that's considered skippable and using it in attack chains is almost always a net loss. "If you can read this, I've failed as a developer." -- Caretaker Proc information and chance calculator spreadsheet (last updated 15APR24) Player numbers graph (updated every 15 minutes) Graph readme @macskull/@Not Mac | Twitch | Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejolt Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, macskull said: I'm pretty sure Shout is like the only t3 blast power that's considered skippable and using it in attack chains is almost always a net loss. Indeed. The sniper change helped Electrical blast, Archery and Assault Rifle's ST attack chain enough. Sonic didn't get that. I'd say Dual Wield is in the same boat but most of my toons skip it unless I want a proc'd ST attack. -Res doesn't allow as many procs because it's side effect doesn't allow you to slot for it. Shout would need a mag .5 KD or inherent stun chance to justify it's current animation time but we all want the damage as is and the animation cut down (to 1.83 or so?) Edited December 17, 2020 by Rejolt Thanks for D-Sync Enhancements! Just wish things like Resist/End, Heal/End and Damage/Mez had a third stat that made them more viable. Suggestions - add Recharge to Ribosomes, Range to Golgis, and Slows to Peroxisomes. These changes would allow for an endurance cost/range, recharge/endurance, and slow/mez or slow/damage enhancements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oedipus_tex Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I don't envy the person who has to figure out how to balance Sonic Attack. Even with Shout broken, the set has the issue of being more of a debuff set than an actual blast set. Possibly Shout should be a Snipe on Blasters and Corruptors to up their single target damage, but modified in some other way for Defenders to prevent Defender Sonic Attack from elevating even further as a top Defender set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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