City Council Jimmy Posted April 10, 2021 City Council Share Posted April 10, 2021 Hey all! As part of Issue 27, Page 2, we're giving travel powers a wide-ranging set of updates and improvements. In this post we'll explore the changes in-depth along with our goals for these updates. If you're just after a list of changes, they can be found at the end of this post or in the main patch notes thread. Before we begin, here's a few terms that I'll be using throughout the post: Real Travel Powers: Travel powers which require a power pick, such as Fly, Super Speed and Mighty Leap Free Travel Powers: Travel powers which do not require a power pick, such as Ninja Run, Beast Run, and the P2W jetpacks Classic Travel Powers: The four original travel powers - Fly, Teleportation, Super Speed, Super Jump Origin Travel Powers: Travel powers from the Origin pools - Mystic Flight, Speed of Sound, Mighty Leap Prestige Run Powers: Beast Run, Ninja Run, Athletic Run Temporary Jetpacks: Temporary jetpacks from P2W, Mayhem Missions, etc Popup Tray Powers: Secondary powers which appear in a popup tray (aka the server tray) - these are free powers that are gained automatically when you own the parent power, and do not require a power pick Goals When approaching these changes we had five main goals: Real travel powers should always be a significant step up over the free options Meaning: Temporary jetpacks should not be almost the same speed as Fly at level 50 Real travel powers should never cause you to lose something you've already got Meaning: Turning on Super Speed shouldn't cause you to lose Ninja Run's jump buff Classic travel powers should be on even footing with Origin Pool travel powers Meaning: Fly and Mystic Flight should be different but equal options Slotting travel powers for speed should actually matter Meaning: Putting a fly speed enhancement in Fly should make you fly faster Prestige Run and Temporary Jetpacks shouldn't be made any slower than they are currently Meaning: A player who just wants to keep Ninja Run shouldn't lose anything Note: This pass on the travel pools is primarily focused on the mobility of each set. The other aspects (such as the attacks) were not in the scope of these changes, but may be looked at in the future. Part 1: Stacking The first major change is the relaxation of stacking restrictions on most travel powers. Previously, you could only have one speed power, one jump power, and one flight power active at once, which often created situations were picking up a new power could cause you to become weaker in certain ways. Now, you are able to freely activate as many travel powers as you want at once (apart from some exceptions - see below), but only the strongest buff of each type (run speed, jump speed, jump height, fly speed and air control) will take effect. Some examples: Super Speed + Ninja Run Previously: These powers couldn't be used together - if you turned on Super Speed, you lost the jump buff from Ninja Run Now: You'll gain the run speed bonus of Super Speed and the jump bonus of Ninja Run (along with the cool pose!) Mighty Leap + Beast Run Previously: These powers couldn't be used together - if you turned on Mighty Leap, you lost the run speed buff from Beast Run Now: You'll gain the jump bonus of Mighty Leap and the run speed bonus of Beast Run (along with the cool pose!) Super Jump + Combat Jumping Previously: These powers couldn't be used together - you had to choose between Super Jump's speed and Combat Jumping's defensive buff Now: You'll gain the jump bonus of Super Jump along with the defensive buffs of Combat Jumping Fly + Hover Previously: These powers couldn't be used together - you had to choose between Fly's speed and Hover's defensive buff Now: You'll gain the fly speed of Fly, along with the air control and defensive bonus of Hover Note: This list is not exhaustive - almost any combination of powers and effects will work outside of the exceptions listed below. This change ensures that any power you acquire will always be an improvement. You'll never have a situation where, for example, you'll pick up (and activate) Super Jump and suddenly run slower due to it being mutually exclusive with Ninja Run. It also introduces interesting combinations such as using Hover with Mystic Flight; providing a mix of defence, air control, speed, and the ability to teleport. The exceptions to this are: Click buffs (eg: Inertial Reduction), ally buffs (eg: Speed Boost) and auto powers (eg: Swift) will still stack with everything, just as they did before Sprint powers will still stack with everything, just as they did before, and all Sprint powers are still mutually exclusive with each other Prestige Run powers are still mutually exclusive with each other, but can now be used with other run and jump powers Temporary Jetpacks are all still mutually exclusive with each other, but can now be used with other flight powers Some Peacebringer flight powers and effects are mutually exclusive with their vanilla counterparts Inherent Stance has also been updated to allow you to select a stance (Beast, Ninja, Slide) which only applies while a travel power is active, meaning you no longer need to use Ninja Run, Beast Run or Prestige Power Slide to use a specific stance while travelling. Rocket Board, Magic Carpet and Void Skiff can now also be stacked with other Fly powers, allowing you to fly quickly and stylishly at the same time. Part 2: Speed & Slotting The second major change is the speed of travel powers - both their maximum potential and how you access that potential. Gotta Go Fast All real travel powers now increase your maximum travel speed caps while they are active: Super Speed and Speed of Sound increase your run speed cap by 30%, from 92.5mph to 120.25mph Super Jump and Mighty Leap increase your jump speed cap by 30%, from 78.2mph to 101.8mph Fly, Mystic Flight and Energy Flight now increase your fly speed cap by 50%, from 58.6mph to 87.9mph This is the bonus previously granted by Afterburner (if it was fully slotted), which has been reworked in this update - see the Flight Pool section below for details Teleport and Shadow Step don't have a speed cap in the traditional sense, but it has has been buffed in other ways: Base range has been increased 300ft to 350ft, which increases its slotted range (with 2x 50 IOs) from 449.1ft to 523.95ft Activation time has been reduced from 2s to 1.5s We've also removed level scaling from these powers, meaning their base and maximum speeds are now fixed (at the previous level 50 values) at all levels. However, you will still increase in speed as you level and gain more slots, more powerful enhancements and eventually set bonuses. If you're after more numbers, take a look at this very detailed breakdown from Bopper. These changes have resulted in the following: Real travel powers now allow you to travel significantly faster than free travel powers (without free travel powers being any weaker than they were before) Speed enhancements and enhancement sets now provide meaningful improvements to real travel powers (but these powers aren't any slower if you choose not to slot them), and the level of investment required to max out each travel power is much more even Getting around the city will be faster in the early levels, regardless if if you use a free or real travel power Fly is now much faster off-the-bat, without needing an additional two power picks for Afterburner One other tweak we've made is to give new characters Inherent Fitness at level 1 instead of level 2. As Swift and Hurdle are now at their level 50 strength immediately, this prevents an awkward speed bump between level 1 and 2. Part 3: Parity & Choice Finally, we've given each of the classic travel powers some additional effects to bring them in line with the origin travel powers, and introduced a brand new travel power as part of a rework of the Concealment pool. The goal with these changes is to ensure that very similar travel powers (eg: Fly and Mystic Flight) are equal, but different choices, with the same basic functionality and unique bonus effects. Speed Pool Super Speed now has two additional effects (along with the run speed cap increase mentioned above): Running will build up Momentum, allowing you to perform a single very high, very long jump Maximum momentum is reached after approximately 4 seconds of running Jumping will cause you to expend your momentum - after landing, you'll need to remain grounded and running in order to re-gain your momentum Super Speed's icon will gain a yellow ring when you are at maximum momentum Speed Phase: A new popup tray toggle power that's available when Super Speed is active Speed Phase removes collision with other entities (ie: phase shift without being untargetable), and sets you to Only Affect Self The effects of this power (including the OAS component) will suppress if you are attacked or damaged by an enemy Note: as this power doesn't actually make you intangible, it doesn't trigger (and isn't affected by) the No Phase timer Leaping Pool Super Jump now has an additional effect (along with the jump speed cap increase mentioned above): Double Jump: A new popup tray timed toggle power that's available while Super Jump is active Allows you to jump to unlimited height and jump again mid-air 30s maximum duration (10s in PvP), 30 second cooldown shared with Jump Pack and Steam Jump Has a lower endurance cost than Jump Pack and Steam Jump, and can be used in situations where temporary powers cannot Teleportation Pool Teleport has received numerous improvements to make it easier to use (along with the range bonus mentioned above): The post-teleport hover window has been adjusted Now lasts 15s, up from 6s Now cancels if you move, attack, interact with an objective or are attacked by a foe Note: Teleport still provides a 4s untouchable window if you do not attack Teleport's endurance cost is reduced by 50% while this hover buff is active, allowing you to use much less endurance when chaining teleports over long distances Activation time reduced from 2s to 1.5s The actual teleport now happens at 1.0s into the activation, rather than 1.97s into the activation This allows you slightly more time to select the location of your next teleport Teleport targeting has also received numerous improvements It's now much easier to reliably choose the desired location and the 'red ring of doom' (ie: invalid target) should rarely appear now, and it should be almost impossible to have the targeting reticule fall back to the character's feet /powexec_location now has a "cursor" targeting mode, allowing you to create a macro/bind to teleport to your cursor location with a single button press All of these changes also apply to Shadow Step (apart from the animation time adjustment - Shadow Step already had a 1.67s activation time) Flight Pool Afterburner's effects have been split up Fly's built-in speed cap boost is the equivalent of fully slotting the old version of Afterburner (+50%, to 87.9mph) 64% of level 50s with Fly did not have Afterburner, so this will be a significant boost for many players For the 36% with Afterburner, you're now free to adjust your build without losing any speed - Fly no longer needs 3 power picks to hit max speed Afterburner's old defensive buffs and air control have been moved into a new power, Evasive Maneuvers, which replaces Afterburner (see below) A brand new version of Afterburner has been added to Fly as a free popup tray power Fly now has an additional effect (along with the fly speed cap increase mentioned above): Afterburner: Now a free popup tray timed toggle power that's available while Fly is active Allows you to fly even faster (up to 102.27mph!) for up to 30 seconds at a time, with a 60 second cooldown This allows Fly to match Super Jump's new speed cap for short bursts of time (it wouldn't be appropriate to have Fly match that speed permanently) Note: This is a free, additional bonus to differentiate Fly from Mystic Flight (which has Translocation as a bonus) The live version of Afterburner took your cap to 87.9mph~ when fully slotted, Fly and Mystic Flight now have this cap by default without the need for additional power picks Evasive Maneuvers is a brand new power which replaces Afterburner as Flight's tier 5 power If you previously had Afterburner, you will now have Evasive Maneuvers Note that if you previously had Fly, the speed bonus previously given by Afterburner is built into Fly for free, and you'll get the new version of Afterburner as a free popup tray power Evasive Maneuvers is geared towards providing excellent combat mobility, keeping you airborne and moving during a fight It provides the following effects whilst another Flight pool power (Fly, Hover or Group Fly) is also active: -Fly and immobilize protection Knockback resistance Significant air control Some unsuppressed flight speed (allowing you to fly much faster during combat) It also provides a large amount of out-of-combat defence in a similar fashion to the old version of Afterburner (and, yes, it can still be slotted with Defence sets!) All of these changes also apply to the Peacebringer versions of these powers: Energy Flight Quantum Acceleration Quantum Maneuvers Concealment Pool The Concealment pool is now classed as a travel pool, with the first three powers being available immediately at level 4 Stealth has had most of the benefits of Invisibility rolled into it Its stealth radius has increased to match Invisibility's old radius Its out-of-combat defence has increased to match Invisibility's old defence values You can choose between the previous transparency levels of Stealth and Invisibility with power customisation Infiltration has replaced Invisibility as Concealment's tier 3 power If you previously had Invisibility, you will now have Infiltration Infiltration provides a decent increase to run speed, jump speed, jump height and air control These values mirror Ninja Run by default, but with Enhancements you will become significantly faster Infiltration also provides a strong stealth buff and some out-of-combat defence Detailed Patch Notes Spoiler Travel Power Stacking Almost all travel powers are no longer mutually exclusive and can be activated at the same time, but only the strongest buff of each type (run speed, jump speed, jump height, fly speed, air control) will apply This ensures that every power you pick or activate will only ever improve your mobility Some exceptions: Click buffs (eg: Inertial Reduction), external buffs (eg: Speed Boost), and auto powers (eg: Swift) still stack as they did before Prestige Run powers (Ninja Run, Beast Run, Athletic Run) are still mutually exclusive with each other Temporary jetpacks are still mutually exclusive with each other Sprint powers still stack with other run speed buffs and are still mutually exclusive with each other Some Peacebringer flight powers and effects are mutually exclusive with their vanilla counterparts Level Scaling Travel powers no longer increase in strength as you level up, the previous level 50 values now apply at all levels Travel speed caps no longer increase in strength as you level up, the previous level 50 values now apply at all levels Inherent Fitness All Inherent Fitness powers are now gained at level 1 rather than level 2 Travel Stances Inherent > Stance Added Ninja, Beast and Slide Travel Power Only customization options Selecting one of these options will cause the stance to only become active if any of the following powers are active: Super Speed Speed of Sound Super Jump Mighty Leap Infiltration Concealment Pool Concealment has been updated to include a new sneaky & versatile travel power: Infiltration Concealment is now classed as a travel pool - the first 3 powers in the pool are available immediately instead of just the first 2 Invisibility and Stealth have been merged together, the best parts of both powers are now available with just Stealth Infiltration now sits where Invisibility used to be in the T3 slot Stealth Stealth radius increased to match the numbers Invisibility had before this patch PvE radius has increased from 36ft to 55ft PvP radius has increased from 389ft to 611ft Out of combat defense increased from 3.5% to 7% The defense bonuses suppression in this power has been cleaned up, and will now suppress if the user attacks, heals or buffs an ally, commands a pet, is hit by a foe or the user attacks or interacts with a mission objective In-combat defence is unchanged Added a new 'Invisible' customization theme that makes the player barely visible when active Infiltration Replaces Invisibility as Concealment's T3 power If you previously had Invisibility, you will now have Infiltration Grants a run and jump bonus similar to Ninja Run Grants out-of-combat stealth 36ft in PvE, 389ft in PvP (the same values as Stealth before this patch) Grants 1.75% out of combat defense Flight Pool Hover Added new "No Pose" customization themes that allows you to remove the Hover stance Note that the Hover stance has a higher priority than the default fly stance, meaning if Hover is active it will always apply even if other flight powers are also active, unless it's been disabled in power customisation Fly Now increases your fly speed cap by 50% while toggled on (from 58.6mph to 87.9mph) This increased cap is the equivalent of fully slotting the old version of Afterburner This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Fly > Afterburner Now built into Fly as a free secondary (server tray) power that doesn't require a power pick If you already had Fly, you will now also have Afterburner for free Now a timed toggle (30s duration, 60s cooldown) which increases your flight speed cap by a further 25% (to 102.27mph), and speeds you up significantly No longer applies Only Affect Self or any other effects Evasive Maneuvers has inherited most of Afterburner's old defensive effects Added a Minimal FX customisation theme Null the Gull will allow you to hide Afterburner's pop-up tray Group Fly This power now applies to all pets regardless of their distance from the caster No longer inaccurately claims it applies -Acc Evasive Maneuvers Replaces the old version of Afterburner as Flight's tier 5 power If you previously had Afterburner, you now have Evasive Maneuvers Note that if you previously had Fly, the speed bonus previously given by Afterburner is built into Fly for free, and you'll get the new version of Afterburner as a free popup tray power Evasive Maneuvers is a defensive toggle with moderate endurance cost (0.26/s), aimed at providing you with excellent airborne combat mobility Provides the following effects whilst another Flight pool power (Fly, Hover or Group Fly) is also active: -Fly and immobilize protection Knockback resistance Significant air control Some unsuppressed flight speed (allowing you to fly much faster during combat) Also provides the same level of defense as old Afterburner while out of combat, but this is removed while in combat This bonus is suppressed for 10s when entering combat (the same as Stealth's out-of-combat defence) The defense bonuses will suppress if the user attacks, heals or buffs an ally, commands a pet, or interacts with a mission objective Sorcery Pool Mystic Flight Now increases your fly speed cap by 50% while toggled on (from 58.6mph to 87.9mph) This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Mystic Flight > Translocation Range increased from 300ft to 350ft Cast time reduced from 2.07s to 1.57s Endurance cost reduced from 13 to 9.75 Note: The rest of Sorcery has received an overhaul, see the Sorcery Pool Updates thread for more details Speed Pool Super Speed Now increases your run speed cap by 30% while toggled on (from 92.5mph to 120.25mph) This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Now has a new momentum leap mechanic Running will build up momentum, allowing you to perform a single very high, very long jump after approximately 4 seconds of running Jumping will cause you to expend your momentum - after landing, you'll need to remain grounded and running in order to perform another momentum jump Super Speed's icon will gain a yellow ring when you are at maximum momentum Super Speed > Speed Phase New free secondary (server tray) power that doesn't require a power pick Toggle, moderate endurance cost Removes collision with characters (ie: phase shift without being untargetable), and sets you to Only Affect Self This allows you to pass through enemies, allies, civilians, cars, and even the Atlas Park blimp! The effects of this power (including the OAS component) will suppress if you are attacked or damaged by an enemy Note: as this power doesn't actually make you intangible, it doesn't trigger (and isn't affected by) the No Phase timer Null the Gull will allow you to hide Speed Phase's pop-up tray Experimentation Pool Speed of Sound Now increases your run speed cap by 30% while toggled on (from 92.5mph to 120.25mph) This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Leaping Pool Super Jump Now increases your jump speed cap by 30% while toggled on (from 78.2mph to 101.8mph) This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Super Jump > Double Jump New free secondary (server tray) power that doesn't require a power pick Timed toggle, 30 second duration (10s in PvP), 30 second cooldown shared with Jump Pack and Steam Jump Allows you to jump to an unlimited height and jump again mid-air Null the Gull will allow you to hide Double Jump's pop-up tray Force of Will Pool Mighty Leap Now increases your jump speed cap by 30% while toggled on (from 78.2mph to 101.8mph) This increased cap doesn't apply in PvP Mighty Leap > Takeoff Now increases jump speed cap by a further 10% (to 110.39mph) and boosts Mighty Leap to put you at the jump speed cap for 30 seconds Previously this bonus was just under 20%, but it now stacks with the 30% bonus from Mighty Leap Teleportation Pool Teleport Target The following changes have been made when teleporting allies only (the teleport foe component remains unchanged); Removed the 4s interrupt window, significantly speeding up the activation time Increased the recharge by 4s These two changes combined result in the total time between teleports being the same if you have no recharge buffs or enhancements - but it will much faster if you slot for (or are buffed for) recharge Teleport Base range increased from 300ft to 350ft Enhanced range (2x level 50 IOs) increased from 449.1ft to 523.95ft The post-teleport hover buff has been adjusted Now lasts up to 15s, rather than 6s The hover buff will cancel if you move, interact with an objective, attack a foe or are attacked by a foe Teleport's endurance cost is reduced by 50% while this hover buff is active, allowing you to use much less endurance when chaining teleports over long distances Activation time reduced from 2s to 1.5s The actual teleport now happens at 1.0s into the activation, rather than 1.97s into the activation This allows you slightly more time to select the location of your next teleport Location targeting has also received some improvements which also affect Teleport, see "Teleportation Targeting & /powexec_location" in the Miscellaneous section Peacebringer Energy Flight Mirrored all i27, Page 2 changes for Fly Energy Flight > Quantum Acceleration Now built into Energy Flight as a free secondary (server tray) power that doesn't require a power pick Mirrored all i27, Page 2 changes for Afterburner Note that Quantum Acceleration shares a cooldown with Afterburner Combat Flight Combat Flight's defensive buff is mutually exclusive with Hover's defensive buff Quantum Flight Endurance cost reduced from 2.6/s to 0.65/s This puts the endurance cost in line with Phase Shift Quantum Maneuvers Replaces Quantum Acceleration as a picked power If you previously had Quantum Acceleration, you now have Quantum Maneuvers Note that you will also still have Quantum Acceleration as it's now built into Energy Flight Mechanically identical to Evasive Maneuvers, but prettier Note that Quantum Maneuvers cannot be active at the same time as Evasive Maneuvers White Dwarf Step The post-teleport Hover buff can now be cancelled by moving Warshade Shadow Recall Mirrored all i27, Page 2 changes for Teleport Target Shadow Step Mirrored all i27, Page 2 changes for Teleport apart from the animation time adjustment Shadow Step already has a 1.67s activation time Nebulous Form Endurance cost reduced from 2.6/s to 0.65/s This puts the endurance cost in line with Phase Shift Black Dwarf Step The post-teleport Hover buff can now be cancelled by moving Prestige & Temporary Powers Ninja Run + Beast Run + Athletic Run + Temporary Jetpacks All travel speeds remain unchanged Normalized endurance costs to 0.57/s (slightly higher than Fly at 0.46/s) These weren't consistent before - most were lower, some were higher The PvP jetpack has not been modified and still has a 2.0/s endurance cost These powers no longer benefit from global endurance discounts Rocket Board + Magic Carpet + Void Skiff No longer disables all other powers Now applies Only Affecting Self Fly speed reduced to match unslotted Fly Previously you couldn't use anything (even Swift) to increase your fly speed using these powers, so they had a slightly increased speed by default This is no longer the case, you can now stack them with other flight powers to fly at high speeds in style! Can no longer be used in the Arena Panther Travel Power Jump height and speed increased to match Coyote Travel Power Please use this thread, not the main thread, to discuss these changes. Thank you! 4 3 Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartanna Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Jimmy said: Real Travel Powers: Travel powers which require a power pick, such as Fly, Super Speed and Mighty Leap Nova and Dwarf require power picks, so they're 'Real,' yet both slow now. Energy Flight does not require a power pick, so by your wording it is not a 'Real Travel Power' -- yet it's on par with flight. 2 hours ago, Jimmy said: Real travel powers should always be a significant step up over the free options Meaning: Temporary jetpacks should not be almost the same speed as Fly at level 50 Nova/Dwarf are 'Real' travel powers because they require a power pick, yet temporary travel powers are just as fast. 2 hours ago, Jimmy said: Slotting travel powers for speed should actually matter Meaning: Putting a fly speed enhancement in Fly should make you fly faster Wouldn't you agree that putting a flight speed in Nova should make it fly faster as well...? I had to point this out in yet another hope that Shapeshifters don't get left in the dust. And again, if Nova is meant to be slower because it's a 'combat' form, I question that logic in relativity to other archetypes. A Blaster can fly faster, do more damage, have more team support and cap more defense than a Nova. Do shapeshifters really deserve to be left as slow as temporary powers? We enjoy watching animations of flying squid or curling dwarfs to get around the map. It's much more interesting than something like the static flight pose we see on every other archetype. Please give us the optional cosmetic choice to speed around the map - like everyone else - yet looking a bit different. Again, thanks for the work you guys have done. The general idea of speed increase I think is amazing for the game! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I agree that Nova and Dwarf forms could use some love movement-wise. It would also be nice to have some flight control. 6 Archetype Concept Compilation -- Powerset Concept Compilations: Assault Melee -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Great Archetype Concept Battle: Final Round -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archetype Proposal Amalgamation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanidas Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 When doing the extra high jump from running with superspeed for 4 seconds, im taking fall damage from the landing. Is it supposed to work that way? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateCrew Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 The notes are comprehensive and properly convey the broad scope and justification for the changes. Hope I'm not the only one to think that removing the level scaling speed/caps is the hidden gem. I love exemplaring to join PUGs, but cringed while attaching the stone of shame... I support adjustments to Nova/Dwarf forms' travel despite not using them in any builds currently - having to apply multiple in-mission movement methods, in already awkward builds, was partly to blame for my decision to avoid the forms and these ATs generally. I'd want to ensure adequate flight control for Nova form, before I'd consider making new alts for the ATs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, PirateCrew said: Hope I'm not the only one to think that removing the level scaling speed/caps is the hidden gem. The other hidden gem didn’t make the patch notes. You can now drag the bonus power from your Powers window into your tray without having to re-enable the popup window. Edited April 11, 2021 by Myrmidon 4 Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I wonder if it's time to open a Page Three specific thread somewhere, to discuss things we'd like to have done for travel powers that go beyond the scope for final changes/fixes to Page Two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Andreah said: I wonder if it's time to open a Page Three specific thread somewhere, to discuss things we'd like to have done for travel powers that go beyond the scope for final changes/fixes to Page Two. While I would rather keep the focus here on these changes so that Magneto Flight makes it live quickly, there might be some good ideas if one is created. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoru-hime Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Sitting on at least one alt idea until this hits live, maybe two. Can't wait. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Council Jimmy Posted April 11, 2021 Author City Council Share Posted April 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Andreah said: I wonder if it's time to open a Page Three specific thread somewhere, to discuss things we'd like to have done for travel powers that go beyond the scope for final changes/fixes to Page Two. Feel free to discuss them here 🙂 1 Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic_Flea Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 But Jimmy, why can't we have a page to talk about a page that isn't this page. Capiche? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Game Master GM Impervium Posted April 11, 2021 Lead Game Master Share Posted April 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Ethanidas said: When doing the extra high jump from running with superspeed for 4 seconds, im taking fall damage from the landing. Is it supposed to work that way? Probably not, but that sounds hilarious! I MEAN It probably has to do with the jump buff expiring before you have a chance to land. Or if you're jumping to a surface that's lower than where you started, that might do it, too. What other powers or buffs, if any, are you using when this happens? 1 GM ImperviumHomecoming FAQ; Need a hand? File a Support Ticket! Want to lend a hand? Apply to be a GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherTed Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 21 hours ago, Jimmy said: Hover Added new "No Pose" customization themes that allows you to remove the Hover stance On a related note, I'd love to see a "Hover Pose" customization for Fly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 5 hours ago, TheOtherTed said: On a related note, I'd love to see a "Hover Pose" customization for Fly. I'd like to see the various fly poses (emotes), including the standard hover pose be actual customizations for fly. And I think it would suit a lot of people to be able to fly in a lotus emote. 😄 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, GM Impervium said: Probably not, but that sounds hilarious! Ahem, I had the same thought! But let's be honest, you shouldn't be killed, or nearly killed, by your travel power. That's your T9's job. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siolfir Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, RMS33 said: Could we boost stone brute/tanker movement, too.? Many posts where veterans claim that the stone set isn't that tough anymore. So the justification is largely gone for these ATs being so slow. That's sort-of being addressed in this page, but it was in the "other powers" section, not the travel powers-specific part. To summarize, Rooted won't mess up your movement but Granite still will. If you want to provide more feedback on that, the thread's that way (link to most recent patch notes within it here). Edited April 11, 2021 by siolfir 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I'm really really excited about how the Concealment pool has changed, specifically Infiltration as a travel power. Two things I'm curious about though: 1. Will Infiltration's movement be surpressed in PvE when attacking? 2. What are the speed caps for Infiltration? (Running, Jump Height, and Jump Speed?) I can just as easily jump on beta when I get home to find out, but if anyone knows of the top of their head 😁 Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siolfir Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: I'm really really excited about how the Concealment pool has changed, specifically Infiltration as a travel power. Two things I'm curious about though: 1. Will Infiltration's movement be surpressed in PvE when attacking? 2. What are the speed caps for Infiltration? (Running, Jump Height, and Jump Speed?) I can just as easily jump on beta when I get home to find out, but if anyone knows of the top of their head 😁 1. Yes. This is the same as [Ninja|Beast|Athletic] Run, though. It's basically Athletic Run, plus a stealth radius and out-of-combat defense, in a less-expensive, slottable power. 2. Since the other travel powers raise the respective caps that used to be the default for everyone and it no longer scales with level, the caps for Infiltration would be the previous caps, so 92.5 mph running, 78.2 mph jump speed, and since I didn't see anything about a jump height boost for Super Jump, 200 feet jump height. The issue with it is the stealth radius: because it has one it still counts as one of those "can't stack with other forms of stealth" powers, it means you can't stack it with things like Shadow Fall or Arctic Air like you can with, say, Super Speed (which also provides stealth but works with those powers). I personally think that's a failing in the power and that it should stack, because there's already a precedent travel power that does, and that the stealth and defense on it should simply suppress the same way that Super Speed's stealth does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, siolfir said: 1. Yes. This is the same as [Ninja|Beast|Athletic] Run, though. It's basically Athletic Run, plus a stealth radius and out-of-combat defense, in a less-expensive, slottable power. 2. Since the other travel powers raise the respective caps that used to be the default for everyone and it no longer scales with level, the caps for Infiltration would be the previous caps, so 92.5 mph running, 78.2 mph jump speed, and since I didn't see anything about a jump height boost for Super Jump, 200 feet jump height. The issue with it is the stealth radius: because it has one it still counts as one of those "can't stack with other forms of stealth" powers, it means you can't stack it with things like Shadow Fall or Arctic Air like you can with, say, Super Speed (which also provides stealth but works with those powers). I personally think that's a failing in the power and that it should stack, because there's already a precedent travel power that does, and that the stealth and defense on it should simply suppress the same way that Super Speed's stealth does. Thanks! Yeah I think that's a tough fix on the back end, but it would be awesome to have Arctic Fog work with Infiltration in the future. As for the movement cap, awesome! Going to be moving at unsuppressed caps* on my main. Edit: With appropriate slotting of course. Which reminds me, will Infiltration take all Running, Leaping, and Universal Movement sets? Edited April 11, 2021 by Glacier Peak Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanidas Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 15 hours ago, GM Impervium said: Probably not, but that sounds hilarious! I MEAN It probably has to do with the jump buff expiring before you have a chance to land. Or if you're jumping to a surface that's lower than where you started, that might do it, too. What other powers or buffs, if any, are you using when this happens? No other jump powers, and it was from flat surface to flat surface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) For anyone interested in what different slotting can achieve in Infiltration, please see below. I also confirmed what @siolfir said, that Infiltration is affected by in combat travel suppression like Athletic/Ninja/Beast Run. My personal favorite slotting is 1 Level 53 HO (End/Run/Jump), 2 Level 50+5 IOs (Run & Jump). The highest running speed that can be achieved slotted in Infiltration is 45.64 MPH and the highest leaping speed that can be achieved slotted in Infiltration is 44.65 MPH. The highest jumping height that can be achieved slotted in Infiltration is 63.30 FT. It works well as a Defense based power, allowing slotting of defensive set IOs while providing concealment and modest travel speeds. It is an interesting power - the only thing I would want looked at in the future is allowing its use in conjunction with other stealth powers (similar to the way this issue modified travel powers working synergistically). Unslotted Infiltration provides the following: 20.05 MPH Running Speed 19.61 MPH Jumping Speed 27.80 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 1 Level 50+5 Running & 1 Level 50+5 Leaping IO in Infiltration provides the following: 30.67 MPH Running Speed 30.00 MPH Jumping Speed 42.53 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 1 Level 53 Microfilament Exposure (End/Fly/Jump/Run) HO, 1 Level 50+5 Running, & 1 Level 50+5 Leaping IO in Infiltration provides the following: 37.87 MPH Running Speed 37.05 MPH Jumping Speed 52.52 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 3 Level 50 Running IOs & 3 Level 50 Leaping IOs in Infiltration provides the following: 39.91 MPH Running Speed 39.04 MPH Jumping Speed 55.34 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 6 Level 53 Microfilament Exposure (End/Fly/Jump/Run) HOs in Infiltration provides the following: 43.00 MPH Running Speed 42.06 MPH Jumping Speed 59.63 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 6 Level 50+5 Running IOs in Infiltration provides the following: 45.64 MPH Running Speed 19.61 MPH Jumping Speed 27.80 FT Jumping Height Spoiler 6 Level 50+5 Leaping IOs in Infiltration provides the following: 20.05 MPH Running Speed 44.65 MPH Jumping Speed 63.30 FT Jumping Height Spoiler Edited April 11, 2021 by Glacier Peak Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geribello Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Loving the Fly changes. Jaunt still has a standardish animation while flying, while on the ground its near instant, Is that intentional? it kinda makes sense. Edit: Animation time seems to be the same tgh. Edited April 11, 2021 by Geribello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Is there any synergy, for good or ill, between hover and infiltration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Andreah said: Is there any synergy, for good or ill, between hover and infiltration? Infiltration does not provide any +Fly movement bonus, but it's defense bonus (out of combat) stacks with Hover. Edit: Oh nevermind - I just saw the part in the patch notes where Stealth picks up Invisibilities defense bonus. Edited April 11, 2021 by Glacier Peak Reread patch notes Pocket D Zone Tour Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreah Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Glacier Peak said: Infiltration does not provide any +Fly movement bonus, but it's defense bonus (out of combat) stacks with Hover. Edit: Oh nevermind - I just saw the part in the patch notes where Stealth picks up Invisibilities defense bonus. I see in the notes that Infiltration offer Air Control, which Hover does. Is this something that can stack with the air control hover (presumably?) provides? It just sounds like Infiltration works great with all the travel sets except fly, and I'm looking for an upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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