Xandyr Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 Some people say Fire Melee has the most AoE damage. Others say Electric or even Staff. Has anyone ever actually put together a spreadsheet or anything that actually shows the rankings for the most AoE damage? What you wanted to know about Bio, but never asked - Tanker - Homecoming (homecomingservers.com)
kelika2 Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 fire armor staff dark prob others but those two are my main tanks 3 aoes before level 20 makes for some funfun low level task forces.
Bill Z Bubba Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 Unlike single target damage, it's hard to get consensus on rules for calculating aoe damage. I've been quite happy with my claws/fa brute for farming but I still place claws firmly in the not-the-best at either ST or AoE but damn good at both camp. 1 1
Sovera Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 It's a matter of doing a Trapdoor testing. I got consistent 6 minutes with the Fire Armor/Martial Arts. I never did get to try Claws. 1 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds.
Haijinx Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 Somewhere the actual radius probably should come into it. Since in many cases you wont be able to clump groups.
Bill Z Bubba Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 2:23 PM, Sovera said: It's a matter of doing a Trapdoor testing. I got consistent 6 minutes with the Fire Armor/Martial Arts. I never did get to try Claws. Expand I just wish it was a better map. I hate the drop shafts as I miss them too often. 1 2
Sovera Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 2:43 PM, Bill Z Bubba said: I just wish it was a better map. I hate the drop shafts as I miss them too often. Expand Getting old sucks when you can't find the hole even in broad daylight, Bill. 6 1 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds.
Bill Z Bubba Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 2:53 PM, Sovera said: Getting old sucks when you can't find the hole even in broad daylight, Bill. Expand I can find the hole just fine! It's my accuracy that's in question. 6 1
lemming Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 2:43 PM, Bill Z Bubba said: I just wish it was a better map. I hate the drop shafts as I miss them too often. Expand I'm constantly jumping over to the other side, etc... The only way I constantly hit them is to go to the side and jump into the flipped up grate.
SmalltalkJava Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Probably plant controller. Proc'd aoe cone confuse with the carrion creepers. Stuff just kinda insta dies. Edited October 24, 2021 by SmalltalkJava 1 Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing
Erratic1 Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 6:25 PM, SmalltalkJava said: Probably plant controller. Proc'd aoe cone confuse with the carrion creepers. Stuff just kinda insta dies. Expand Pretty sure in the Tanker forum the question relates to Tankers.
SmalltalkJava Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 6:26 PM, Erratic1 said: Pretty sure in the Tanker forum the question relates to Tankers. Expand Lol. Didn't even notice that. It popped up in my notifications. 1 Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing
Erratic1 Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 Was in a group with a pretty impressive Bio/Staff tanker earlier today. Quite impressive really. 1
Xandyr Posted October 24, 2021 Author Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Thanks for the replies. I'm trying to figure out the most AoE from a Tanker's SECONDARY powerset ... NOT what goes best with Fire Armor.Everyone knows Fire ARMOR has the most AoE (PRIMARY).. I just want to know , standalone what SECONDARY outputs the most AoE. I don't see how MA can even remotely be considered most AoE, as it only has 1 power that's AoE. I'm going to stick with Fire MELEE, Staff, and Electric as the most damaging AoE secondary powersets. Of those 3, I personally think Staff has the most, but I do not have numbers or a spreadsheet or anything of the sort to prove it. Edited October 25, 2021 by Xandyr What you wanted to know about Bio, but never asked - Tanker - Homecoming (homecomingservers.com)
Sovera Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 7:14 PM, Xandyr said: Thanks for the replies. I'm trying to figure out the most AoE from a Tanker's secondary primary. Everyone knows Fire ARMOR has the most AoE (PRIMARY). I don't see how MA can even remotely be considered most AoE, as it only has 1 power that's AoE. I'm going to stick with Fire MELEE, Staff, and Electric as the most damaging AoE secondary powersets. Of those 3, I personally think Staff has the most, but I do not have numbers or a spreadsheet or anything of the sort to prove it. Expand Surprisingly it does. A FF proc in Dragon's Tail increases the number of Burns-per-minute and being an AoE it nearly ensures they procs happen back to back (slight hyperbole). It also animates faster. Anyway, I tested it, same time to clean a farm test as the Claws version (and Spin is so much higher damage....) but able to reach 45% defense to melee, ranged and AoE. - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds.
SomeGuy Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 7:14 PM, Xandyr said: Staff Expand OK, I gotta hear the reasoning for this one. I've done Staff on a scrapper and stalker and everything about the set, performance wise, was abysmal. Why is it different on Tankers? Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0
Bill Z Bubba Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 8:27 PM, SomeGuy said: OK, I gotta hear the reasoning for this one. I've done Staff on a scrapper and stalker and everything about the set, performance wise, was abysmal. Why is it different on Tankers? Expand Were you focusing on AoE output? I've got a staff/bio scrapper that runs both +damage forms and I found the AoE output pretty dang good. Course, bio makes all damage exceptional... 2
SomeGuy Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 10:25 PM, Bill Z Bubba said: Were you focusing on AoE output? I've got a staff/bio scrapper that runs both +damage forms and I found the AoE output pretty dang good. Course, bio makes all damage exceptional... Expand Oh. I'm just looking for reasoning for it over other sets. Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0
Xandyr Posted October 25, 2021 Author Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 7:24 PM, Sovera said: Surprisingly it does. A FF proc in Dragon's Tail increases the number of Burns-per-minute and being an AoE it nearly ensures they procs happen back to back (slight hyperbole). It also animates faster. Anyway, I tested it, same time to clean a farm test as the Claws version (and Spin is so much higher damage....) but able to reach 45% defense to melee, ranged and AoE. Expand Assuming you take Fire Armor. I was just curious which secondary actually had the most AoE potential. What you wanted to know about Bio, but never asked - Tanker - Homecoming (homecomingservers.com)
Xandyr Posted October 25, 2021 Author Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 8:27 PM, SomeGuy said: OK, I gotta hear the reasoning for this one. I've done Staff on a scrapper and stalker and everything about the set, performance wise, was abysmal. Why is it different on Tankers? Expand Guarded Spin, Innocuous Strikes, and Eye of the Storm are all pbaoe/cone. Tanks have a larger radius, so you hit pretty much everything around you. And I've found that the Armageddon proc in Innocuous Strikes seems to fire very reliably. 2 What you wanted to know about Bio, but never asked - Tanker - Homecoming (homecomingservers.com)
ninja surprise Posted October 25, 2021 Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 1:57 AM, Xandyr said: Guarded Spin, Innocuous Strikes, and Eye of the Storm are all pbaoe/cone. Tanks have a larger radius, so you hit pretty much everything around you. And I've found that the Armageddon proc in Innocuous Strikes seems to fire very reliably. Expand I'd put Titan Weapons above Staff. Titan has 3 cones and 1 PBAoE. I love Staff on a scrapper but hate it on a tank. I'd rather do Dual Blades for the same amount of AoE, or Spines or Rad Melee for another damage aura. Rad Melee can do lots of AoE with a proc'd up Irradiated Ground. 1
SomeGuy Posted October 25, 2021 Posted October 25, 2021 Well, this was just a lotta bit conflicting 😛 1 Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0
Xandyr Posted October 25, 2021 Author Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 4:33 AM, ninja surprise said: I'd put Titan Weapons above Staff. Titan has 3 cones and 1 PBAoE. I love Staff on a scrapper but hate it on a tank. I'd rather do Dual Blades for the same amount of AoE, or Spines or Rad Melee for another damage aura. Rad Melee can do lots of AoE with a proc'd up Irradiated Ground. Expand I just can't get into TW. Just feels so slow. And I haven't played DB since Live and don't remember much about it. How is it? What you wanted to know about Bio, but never asked - Tanker - Homecoming (homecomingservers.com)
mcdoogss Posted October 25, 2021 Posted October 25, 2021 No one else mentioned Ice so I will, Frost is a great cone/targeted aoe that comes at level 4, Frozen aura is a decent pbaoe, and Ice patch helps immensiely while leveling with papering over the survivabilty gaps in Fire/ with soft control.
ZemX Posted October 25, 2021 Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 12:47 PM, mcdoogss said: No one else mentioned Ice so I will, Frost is a great cone/targeted aoe that comes at level 4 Expand Should also be noted that Frost is one of those cones that can be range enhanced, which is a big deal in combination with Tanker's +50% arc width. It means you can make that sucker a 15ft range, 135 degree cone. And it hits 16 targets. Move to one side of a packed spawn... hit everybody. 11 second base recharge too. Longish animation is maybe the only downside but when you're hitting that many targets with an AoE, it's not that big a deal. Also, Frozen Aura on a Tanker is as big as Foot Stomp.
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