Devs, please explain why you are nerfing one of the most popular activities on Homecoming

[Luminara]

36 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

What language does your cat normally type in? German? French?

 

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[Songseven]

9 minutes ago, Seed22 said:

I hate doomsaying. I really REALLY do, but I give it another year TOPS before the community becomes too toxic to sustain

 

please don't try associate this crowd with the reality,

 

i pug and solo all day and there are some fantastic people here, helpful, lighthearted and a joy to team and play with the ToT leagues are one example.

 

 

[Neiska]

13 minutes ago, Seed22 said:

I hate doomsaying. I really REALLY do, but I give it another year TOPS before the community becomes too toxic to sustain, at this rate at least.

 

For some people it has already reached that point. And for those that it has, they don't post or play anymore. But I doubt the empathy or even interest from some present. In fact, I expect some to be happy about it.

[Songseven]

1 minute ago, Neiska said:

 

For some people it has already reached that point. And for those that it has, they don't post or play anymore. But I doubt the empathy or even interest from some present. In fact, I expect some to be happy about it.

 

absolutely zero impact on my experience.

[Neiska]

Just now, Songseven said:

 

absolutely zero impact on my experience.

 

Case in point.

[Songseven]

Just now, Neiska said:

 

Case in point.

 

elaborate please.

[Neiska]

Just now, Songseven said:

 

elaborate please.

 

Why? By your own admission, it's not like you will care either way. So no point in explaining further.

[Seed22]

4 minutes ago, Songseven said:

 

absolutely zero impact on my experience.

I mean, but do you need to post about that? If so thats kinda sad and telling…

[TheZag]

1 hour ago, Neiska said:

 

Sure, But I would also want the merits/astrals/weekly rewards included as well, not just the inf/kill tally.

 

Best we can do is convert them to their value in inf and compare to what 8 farmers can do.  Im guessing that 8 farmers still out earns a hardmode team even when converting the bonus rewards to their inf value.  

 

We would also need to swap to a different farmer every hour or so to simulate hardmode teams switching characters every run to get weekly rewards again or exclude weekly rewards from consideration.  It would be difficult but beneficial to include the time taken to form a hardmode team and to find or reform a new team afterwards since hardmode isnt farmed nearly as much as AE.  Basically as much detail as possible.  I think in the end it would show that farming is still more lucrative than hardmode.

 

[Neiska]

Just now, TheZag said:

I think in the end it would show that farming is still more lucrative than hardmode.

 

Yes and no. Hardmode isn't an option for everyone, or even every build/at/player. It isn't for me, for reasons I won't go into here. Where farming is at least an option for everyone. But I do agree that the full conversions considered they would likely be similar. Or at least the difference would be smaller in the greater scheme of things.

[kelika2]

I am seeing Speed 4 star ITFs these days, are you sure you want to use HardMode as an example?

[Bill Z Bubba]

19 hours ago, Snarky said:

i'm uncharacteristically silent

 

1) i hate to farm

2) the only reason i did it was to PL myself.  how many 50s i need?

 

Spreadsheet says I have 35 but it hasn't been updated in a while. Think another purge might be coming if I can bring myself to care enough. Think the SG is running a hard mode ITF tonight so I may hop on for that but any thoughts of rollin new characters or respecing old or doing anything but helping them accomplish shit is pretty much out the window at this point and it has absolutely nothing to do with farming nerfs as I only ever farmed AE to powerlevel alts anyway.

[Songseven]

10 minutes ago, Neiska said:

 

Why? By your own admission, it's not like you will care either way. So no point in explaining further.

 

9 minutes ago, Seed22 said:

I mean, but do you need to post about that? If so thats kinda sad and telling…

 

i'm just curious, what is the actual point of what you are trying to say?

 

 

that because you have known people who used to play yet for whatever reason (you claim toxicity) have decided to call it a day,

 

this should somehow affect and compare my experience?

[MoonSheep]

2 minutes ago, Songseven said:

 

 

i'm just curious, what is the actual point of what you are trying to say?

 

 

that because you have known people who used to play yet for whatever reason (you claim toxicity) have decided to call it a day,

 

this should somehow affect and compare my experience?

 

the farming community have sold themselves a belief that they are inexplicably important to CoH and without them, the game will fall to pieces. therefore when one leaves, we should mourn the loss north korea style

 

 

[Neiska]

1 minute ago, MoonSheep said:

the farming community have sold themselves a belief that they are inexplicably important to CoH and without them, the game will fall to pieces. therefore when one leaves, we should mourn the loss north korea style

 

Case in point #2.

 

Satisfied yet @Seed22? 

[arcane]

2 minutes ago, MoonSheep said:

 

the farming community have sold themselves a belief that they are inexplicably important to CoH and without them, the game will fall to pieces. therefore when one leaves, we should mourn the loss north korea style

 

Hey I farm basically every day, don’t lump me in with these people!

[Bill Z Bubba]

1 minute ago, Neiska said:

Case in point #2.

 

Satisfied yet @Seed22? 

 

Yea, that was a pretty good example of the the toxic shit that's driving out some of us.

[Seed22]

2 minutes ago, Neiska said:

 

Case in point #2.

 

Satisfied yet @Seed22? 

I dont care THAT much. To me, it isnt about being right or wrong, it’s about the fact that people here have become horrible. Just truly horrible.

[Songseven]

1 minute ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Yea, that was a pretty good example of the the toxic shit that's driving out some of us.

 

 

should be quite easy for you to elaborate then, ya know...'all the toxic shit'

[Songseven]

5 minutes ago, Seed22 said:

it’s about the fact that people here have become horrible. Just truly horrible.

 

i mean, is this really a fact...?

 

or just an opinion.

[PeregrineFalcon]

4 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

Yea, that was a pretty good example of the the toxic shit that's driving out some of us.

Agreed.

 

You know, the mods have a real problem with me calling people out for stuff being said that's clearly insane, but they don't seem to have a problem with players mocking other players, or players being told "Don't like it, go play on another server then!"

 

And, at some point in the future, when they start complaining "how come I can't find anyone to team with", or "how come we're having problems with donations to keep the server running"? Maybe at that point they'll figure out why allowing this toxic nonsense that drives people away wasn't such a great idea.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not hopeful that they'll figure it out before the servers are shut down.

[arcane]

Just now, PeregrineFalcon said:

Agreed.

 

You know, the mods have a real problem with me calling people out for stuff being said that's clearly insane, but they don't seem to have a problem with players mocking other players, or players being told "Don't like it, go play on another server then!"

 

And, at some point in the future, when they start complaining "how come I can't find anyone to team with", or "how come we're having problems with donations to keep the server running"? Maybe at that point they'll figure out why allowing this toxic nonsense that drives people away wasn't such a great idea.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not hopeful that they'll figure it out before the servers are shut down.

I think you ought to go back to the drawing board and ask yourself if you reeeally believe the uptick in hostility here is a one-sided problem. 

[MistressOhm]

12 minutes ago, Neiska said:

 

Case in point #2.

 

Satisfied yet @Seed22? 

 

You illustrated your point with your own reply.   You're so convinced that there's Rampant Toxicity Against Farmers, that you've completely discounted Toxicity From Farmers as, you know, another significant source of toxicity in the community.

 

Empath, Heal Thyself.

[Seed22]

The idiotic nature of telling others to go play on another server like this one has oodles n oodles of fresh bodies to fill the ranks is..I mean CO said the same stuff and look at them.

 

It’s not a mature response.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Seed22

[Songseven]

6 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

And, at some point in the future, when they start complaining "how come I can't find anyone to team with", or "how come we're having problems with donations to keep the server running"? Maybe at that point they'll figure out why allowing this toxic nonsense that drives people away wasn't such a great idea.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not hopeful that they'll figure it out before the servers are shut down.