Catalyst question

[Warspite]

So I am pretty sure the answer is no, but I've been gobsmacked before, so I'm asking just to make sure because what I do now drives me nuts lol.

 

Is there anyway you can take a level 50 enhancement and use a catalyst to convert it to the attuned version, without slotting it in an existing level 50 character? 

 

For instance I have some lvl 50 PVP enhancements in my base.  If I want to take my brand new level 10 brute, fresh off a couple of DFB runs and grab a few out of the bin, convert them, and then slot them, is there a way to do that?

 

Currently, my process is this:

1 Drag out a 50.

2. Spend either influence on a few unslotters to remove existing enhancements, add the ones I want to attune, then use more unslotters to remove and then put the original enhancements back.

OR  occasionally when I have a backlog that I want to attune, I get said 50, create a 2nd or 3rd build. Spend time leveling it up to 50, slotting everything attuning everything, then doing a respec so I can then remove all of the attuned enhancements, and then change my build back so I'm not surprised when I log in the next time. 

 

To clarify further, these are enhancements never placed on a character, just drops that I've crafted and stored. 

 

I'll gladly be embarrassed at my lack of knowledge, again, if there is another way to do this 😁.

[honoroit]

I don't think so, no, as it's done as if upgrading an enhancement, in the slot itself when at it in the character upgrade UI.

 

i.e. the method you've been using.

[Glacier Peak]

Nope, that's how it works. A player could buy them already attuned off the Auction House if that's really needed.

 

If you think that's bad, I'm currently doing a Yin-Enhancement priority build that requires many unslotters to function as I level it up. If the power can't slot a Yin-Enhancement, I use either an SO or leave it blank. 

[Warspite]

Ok, just hoping there was another answer.  Thanks for the quick response!

[Snarky]

WTH are Yin enhancements…???

Edited August 11 by Snarky

[Greycat]

1 hour ago, Snarky said:

WTH are Yin enhancements…???

 

Do the Penny Yin arc in Faultline, her father's store opens up and you can buy unique (mostly in name/graphic as I recall) enhancements there. Not really something to plan around if you're min/maxing or anything, and I want to say it was one enh. type per origin.

[Ironblade]

14 hours ago, Snarky said:

WTH are Yin enhancements…???

Once upon a time, these were a big deal because you could get one type of SO at much lower level.

Now we can buy low level SO's from the regular vendors so . . . more of a novelty now.

[Psyonico]

5 minutes ago, Ironblade said:

Once upon a time, these were a big deal because you could get one type of SO at much lower level.

Now we can buy low level SO's from the regular vendors so . . . more of a novelty now.

However, they are cheaper than standard SOs

[Glacier Peak]

And since the upgrade feature was added by Homecoming, it's much easier to take the same enhancements all the way to Level 50.

[Ukase]

23 hours ago, Warspite said:

if there is another way to do this

There is another way, but it can be complicated. Particularly when explained by me. I'll do my best: 

1st account places a level 50 Shield Wall Def/rech in the AH and lists it for sale at a price you won't lose sleep if someone buys it. 
2nd account places a bid for the same IO in the attuned section of Shield Wall, and clicks on the Def/Recharge in particular if nobody bought before you got your bid in. 

Now, in theory - that sounds great. In practice, anecdotally, it can get messy. 
1st account places the aforementioned IO for sale at ...say 7,500,000 inf. 

Someone may have actually bid more than 7.5M for that IO and get it before your alt can. So, the price you pick - you kind of have to be careful. So, look at the history carefully. It may be you need to list it a little higher. But not too much higher. My brain always says list it high - nobody will buy it! But then, when I try to buy it for more than the high price, I end up with someone else's - and mine is still for sale at a high price. So, the price is the pain point.  You have to hope there are no outstanding bids to take them all from you before you can get any. 
 

Assuming it doesn't sell instantly, your 2nd account places a bid for the Attuned version of the Shield Wall Def/Recharge at 7.5M (same price the other one is selling for) 

So, I've done this with mixed success. Sometimes - I place it for sale, and someone else has a larger bid and gets it before my alt can get it. This is why you have to be okay with the sale if it should go through. 
If you do this, I suggest you do it for about 5 of each of the enhancements you want. (I tend to use a lot of the same sets for my builds.) This way - if one or two sells, you can place your next one for a little more inf so it doesn't sell instantly. 

So, what happens here is you've listed a level 50 IO for sale on 1 account, and your 2nd account buys it attuned. 
Again, in theory, it works nicely. Saves you the cost of a catalyst. In practice, it can get "messy" as I mentioned. 
Did I mention it can get messy? 

Hopefully, I've made the steps clear. If you don't understand my instructions - it's probably my fault - just do nothing. Yomo will probably jump in and explain it in 2 small sentences very clearly. 

 

[Ukase]

17 hours ago, Snarky said:

WTH are Yin enhancements…???

They are useless trash. The music in Yin's shop is interesting; quirky. But there's nothing special about his enhancements. They are basically an SO with a flashier Icon. 

[Jacke]

5 hours ago, Ukase said:

[ Yin enhancements ] are useless trash. The music in Yin's shop is interesting; quirky. But there's nothing special about his enhancements. They are basically an SO with a flashier Icon. 

 

Back in 2006 Nov 28th, Issue 8 was released and the Faultline Hazard Zone changed into the Faultline City Zone, with its 4 arcs including Penelope Yin's.  Complete that arc freed her daddy, Mr. Yin, and the Toon gained access to Yin's Market.  Where Mr. Yin sold Talisman Enhancements, the original SOs for under L22 in City of Heroes.

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Talisman_Enhancements#History

 

They were available as L13, L17, and L21, Origin aligned:

• Magic got Accuracy
• Natural and Mutation got Damage
• Technology got Endurance Reduction
• Science got Recharge Reduction

By the time a Toon got the Market unlocked, they were usually L19 or L20, maybe higher, so not much use for them.  But once a Toon got access, could buy them for other Toons on your Account.  I made a lot of Magic Toons in the years after that to get SO Accuracy early.  My Warshade also used those early SO Recharge Reductions.

 

Come 2020 November 20th, Issue 27 Page 1 released and there were a lot of changes to Enhancements.  SOs were now available at L5 (so slottable at L2), L10, L15, and L20.  As well, the Upgrade Button was added to the Enhancement Screen.  Yin's Market now sold the newer form of Talisman Enhancements at same 4 Levels as SOs but at 65% of the SO cost.  However, that discount isn't quite worth the administrative hassle of having one Toon buy them and pass them to another.  Using the Upgrade Button actually costs more than getting more SOs, but it's the convenience that wins.  Not to mention the majority of Enhancement costs for a Toon is at higher Levels.

 

 

On 8/11/2024 at 2:58 AM, Warspite said:

Is there anyway you can take a level 50 enhancement and use a catalyst to convert it to the attuned version, without slotting it in an existing level 50 character?

 

There's Market Attunement, which @Ukase described 2 posts up from here.  It's a special case of Market Conversion.

 

This is due to the Binning of many items on the Auction House together (which unfortunately isn't described anywhere I can find).  Example Bins are All Common Invention Salvage, All Uncommon Invention Salvage, All Levels of each non-Common Invention Recipe, All Levels of each non-Common Invention Enhancement including Attuned, etc.  A Purchase Order for any item in one Bin will be satisfied as long as any of the Bin's items have stock, by converting that other item to the one being Purchased.  This means any Level of non-Common IO can be convert into another Level, including Attuned, or Attuned to a fixed Level.  Also, 5 Last Purchase Price History is for the Bin.

 

You have to understand how the Bidding System works in the Auction House to really make use of it.  This means any one Toon, or better two Toons (another good use of a 2nd Account) can Market Convert any item in a Bin to another item in the same Bin.  That's most often done to change the Level of a Recipe or an IO, including to and from Attuned.  However, Binning really helps the Auction House stay stocked on items.

 

Market Attunement means I only use Catalysts to make Superior ATOs and WOs, because I Market Attune everything else to save on Catalysts.

 

 

Edited August 12 by Jacke

[Without_Pause]

What are SOs? 😄

 

The easiest thing to do is sell the unattuned version and buy the attuned version. Once you start using unslotters, you start looking at losing even more money from getting what you want. 

[SeraphimKensai]

I keep one set of each PvP IO as attuned versions that I reuse for toons as they level. Once that toon gets to 50, I unslot them, stick them back in the base and reslot lvl 50+5 versions of the same PvP IO back in place to get the maximum value. Since the non-attuned PvP IOs exemp down, the sets of stunned ones I have only serve my low level toons.

[RCU7115]

I would just buy the unslotters if your Attuning 10 enhancements or less using your lvl 50 brutes 2nd or 3rd build if you have not slotted anythingin those optical builds.The unsltters are cheap. Last night they were selling for 65k.

Whenever I try to buy an attuned of the same IO that I'm selling I usually end up waiting a few hours to sometimes days for that to go through.

I'd rather spend 1 million on unslotters and be done in 2 minutes or less.

If it's a PvP enhancement I'd  hate to lose it if the deal on the AH falls through. You put a bid enhancement which has 5 current bids with only 2 enhancements being sold . You then put yours up and someone else gets the bid there goes that enhancement bye, bye 👋 

Edited August 12 by RCU7115

[Yomo Kimyata]

On 8/10/2024 at 10:58 PM, Warspite said:

For instance I have some lvl 50 PVP enhancements in my base.  If I want to take my brand new level 10 brute, fresh off a couple of DFB runs and grab a few out of the bin, convert them, and then slot them, is there a way to do that?

 

First of all, you can only attune directly with a catalyst if it is slotted.  Which can be a buzzkill but it's minor.

Secondly, your brute CAN slot level 10 PvPs, and then attune them with a catalyst.  But they cannot do that with a level 50 PvP IO because they can't slot it.

Third, using the /AH to purchase IOs as attuned is generally the most efficient way.  If I were in your shoes, as it seems to me, I would sell the lvl 50 PvPs you have and buy some attuned PvP Ios of the same type.  You can, in fact, sell them to yourself using two different characters, but that's a whole different kettle of octopodes.

[tidge]

20 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

Third, using the /AH to purchase IOs as attuned is generally the most efficient way.  If I were in your shoes, as it seems to me, I would sell the lvl 50 PvPs you have and buy some attuned PvP Ios of the same type.  You can, in fact, sell them to yourself using two different characters, but that's a whole different kettle of octopodes.

 

There was a short period of time when I would do exactly this, but it wasn't long before I realized this shared stragetgy...

 

22 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

I keep one set of each PvP IO as attuned versions that I reuse for toons as they level. Once that toon gets to 50, I unslot them, stick them back in the base and reslot lvl 50+5 versions of the same PvP IO back in place to get the maximum value. Since the non-attuned PvP IOs exemp down, the sets of stunned ones I have only serve my low level toons.

 

...And if I had a level 50 PVP piece that I wasn't going to use, I'd spin the Enhancement  Converter roulette wheel to see if I got something I almost certainly would use and want a set bonus.... like a Shield Wall or Gladiator's Armor Defense/Resistance/Endurance Reduction (among others). The %procs of course can be slotted too, but I usually spin/convert PVP pieces below level 50 for those.

 

Mileage varies on how much a character can get from a 50+5 boost, but generally if there are only 2-or-3 of pieces being used from a set, the boosted pieces are yielding returns untouched by Enhancement Diversification.

[Jacke]

I always keep any PvP Recipes and Enhancements.  Because they're a relatively small Enhancement Conversion group where a few Enhancement Converters will turn them into something you want for a build.