GM_GooglyMoogly

I believe that there was a patch with no new patch notes. Expect some updated ones SoonTM.

I edited the thread to remove some bickering and magical Snarky duplification. Please keep the discussion on the topic and not each other.

Please keep the discussion to the issues at hand, which are: 1) does HC listen to feedback and 2) is sonic melee "ready." Arguing whether someone is a white knight, black night, hero, villain, rogue, or vigilante is not needed.

Exactly. Happy early Thanksgiving everyone. Travel safe, eat well.

Fun Fact: Did you know that we can tell if you've logged on to Brainstorm (open beta) or the other servers? That includes seeing the AT, powersets, time played, etc. Your criticisms and critiques have much more weight when you actually try something and provide data points to show why you think something needs changing. "Everybody knows it's bad" is certainly a permissible statement to make. Hyperbole is usually not very persuasive. A much more persuasive statement is one that shows that you tested the new thing and can provide videos, photos, spreadsheets, etc. to prove your point. None of those things are required. But providing them is much more likely to influence change.

Our ideas don't always work. When we find that they don't work, we scrap them or change them. Sometimes, that may take a long time. I have no doubt that there are things that we think work fine that a group of players disagree. Sometimes the Devs disagree among themselves or the GMs disagree with the way things work. We try to iron it out, but there is a structure and a hierarchy and the person higher up the food chain makes the final decision. C'est la vie.

I think I may have a different definition of "listen" than some of you. I consider listening is hearing and paying attention to what is being said. I submit that HC does indeed hear the complaints and critiques just as well as we hear the kudos and congrats. Some may be thinking of "listen" like when a parent tells a child, "you better listen to what I am telling you!" Or something similar outside of a parent-child relationship. In my mind that goes beyond listening; that is "hear me and obey." I admit that we aren't as good at the obey part.

Those are not the most recent ones. These are:

@Wravis, have you actually tried Sonic Melee on the test server? And if so, when? Because it has gone through several changes.

Oops! Fixed.

Words have meanings. The statement I quoted was you stating as fact, and a quote even, that "we're done listening." That's not at all what she said. She said the opposite of that. Your statement is obviously and provably false. You should stop doing that. As far as ignoring you . . . I think I will ignore you . . . at least for the rest of tonight.

You should stop stating things that are obviously and provably false. The quote above shows that CPH is still welcoming feedback and anticipates additional changes. Sometimes the boss tells you to stop making changes, so you stop making changes for now and fix it later. PS - Technicality. But CPH is a Dev. I am a GM. I don't code and she doesn't moderate, generic, or help folks get unstuck in game.

Look. If you spent weeks to months coming up with ideas, coding them, finding bugs, recoding them, sharing them with others, more recoding, etc., I don't think it is reasonable for that developer to drop everything completely and go with your (generic your, not you Troo) vision of how it should be. But sometimes they HAVE done that. Not always, maybe not even frequently, but they have completely abandoned ideas based on feedback, and more often make some changes.

I invite everyone to read the thread you linked, especially our discussion, and make up their own minds.

Your post was hidden because it did not belong in focused feedback and, as I have already discussed with you, listening to feedback is not the same thing as making whatever change or changes any player or group of players is asking for. Just about everything new gets changed based on player feedback. These types of complaints typically will not result in getting anything changed. If you want to effect change, try the content. Tell us why you like it or dislike it. Provide data to back up your position. But you go on and tilt at your windmill of "Homecoming doesn't listen to feedback."

Here are clips from the patch notes regarding Sonic Melee from Monday to Friday. It's not like it hasn't been changing. 11-10-25 - 11-11-25 - 11-12-25 11-13-25 - 11-14-25 11-14-25 -

You'd have to show me the math - how do you get to 50%+1?. And again, hearing your feedback is different from agreeing with it and making changes in accordance with that feedback. I think it is accurate to say that we do not follow most of the advice given. If for no other reason that the advice given by different players is frequently contradictory. But we are getting off topic again. What do you like . . . or not like . . . about Sonic Melee? Have you tried it? What did you do? What happened?

You started by saying we (Homecoming) do not listen to feedback. Not just on sonic melee, but at all. At least now you are admitting that some changes were made to sonic in closed beta, presumably based on feedback. Additional changes have been made in open beta based on feedback. People didn't like the toggle so it was made a click. Unfortunately, the way the click was set up was causing other problems so it was reverted to a toggle. By the way, have you seen the latest patch notes on Sonic Melee? And it is certainly possible if not probable that additional changes will be made It's fine for you to say you don't like it, that's it's terrible, that you will never play it. It's not OK to say we ignore feedback, because that is demonstrably untrue. Do we make stuff that everyone always likes. Hell no, we don't. I'm not sure if that is even possible. For every player that says we are nerfing this or that there's another saying we have too much power creep and another saying we are making things too hard. We can't please everyone so we don't try, EXCEPT that we do try to add a variety of things so that everyone can at least find something that they like in each release. I, like Shin, appreciate that you took the time to compile all of that. However, @Shin Magmus, I don't appreciate you bringing up your past grievances here when I just asked folks not to. Start another thread outside of focused feedback if you want to. Not here.

Do any of your characters with the badge have the gold star?

Six-Six has identified a common problem that we hear frequently. I just checked and, indeed, your Forum Name and Account Name are different. That's generally a good idea as it adds a layer of protection. I have sent you a PM with your account name. If that doesn't work, please send us a petition here: https://forums.homecomingservers.com/support/ PS I removed the image you posted to protect your privacy as it had identifying information.

Untrue. Many changes are made every page in closed and open beta, and sometimes even live, based on player feedback. But sometimes we hear you and disagree. This is a focused feedback thread on Sonic Melee. Please keep your focus on the set. Opinions are fine. "I like/dislike it because ______ " is great. "I tested and found _______" is even better. Complaining about the past does not belong here. You can start a new thread for that if you wish.

We have gotten waaay off the topic of +5 - +7 difficulty level, especially for a focused feedback thread. You can start a rich get richer thread if you want to discuss that.

That would be very cool! Until that day comes, I use the BadgeSetList popup menu. I find it super handy.

Were you rearranging the furniture again?