xl8 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 This will be looked at again in the future, potentially Page 2, as we look into proliferating Ninjitsu Is this a PVP thing? Can't we just leave it alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrudeVileTerror Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Is that a quote from a Dev? Are they talking about proliferating Ninjitsu to Brutes and/or Tankers? If so, I'm not terribly sure what the issue may be, other than thematic. Some people don't think a Brute or Tanker should be "ninja-esque," given ninjas are stereotypically stealthy, while Brutes and Tankers are meant to draw aggro. . . . but then what about Cloak of Darkness and Energy Cloak, eh? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siolfir Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, CrudeVileTerror said: Is that a quote from a Dev? Yes. From the beta patch notes. As for what's wrong with Ninjitsu... uhm, they added a lot to it that Stalkers didn't get when they moved it off of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Wasn't that in relation to certain movement boosting powers supressing others? Such as using Ninja Run with Shinobi-iri? 1 Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastit Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Having gone and looked at what was actually written in the beta forum, they are referring to changes to various movement powers. Specifically, that the changes they were investigating have been reverted in the latest patch because of how they interact with any plans for proliferating the Ninjitsu power set. Nothing has been changed for Ninjitsu and nothing was mentioned about needing to change Ninjitsu. I understand that these are difficult times but that's why you should double check that you read correctly and not let your anxiety get the better of you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoisesG Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Nerf Regen!!! ***runs away*** 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintD Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, MoisesG said: Nerf Regen!!! ***runs away*** You're trying to run away in a thread filled with Ninjitsu secondaries, the fastest secondary in the game. God luck with that. 4 The idiot formerly known as Lord Khorak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoisesG Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 i finally got around to making a Ninjitsu scrapper, and i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at how survivable it is. So far it is turning out to be a very good and fun set. Now to unlock incarnates and run it at +4/8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherTed Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) Not ignoring what Blastit said, but I wanted to respond to this: 14 hours ago, CrudeVileTerror said: . . . but then what about Cloak of Darkness and Energy Cloak, eh? I'm running a scrapper with Shinobi-iri, and I don't mind saying that it feels overpowered - especially for a level 4 ability. It's designed to give a scrapper a devastating ambush, second only to Stalkers. Granted, a distant second, but still nasty. I also don't see a problem giving Brutes or Tanks stealth abilities as such. I'd argue that high-powered ambushes and on-demand placates would do more than stealth to make a character ninja-esque. When I played Dark Armor brutes and tanks on live, I didn't feel like a ninja at all. I felt more like Lurch - you know, sidling up out of nowhere at the ring of a bell and being all menacing. (BTW, if anyone can find a decent video clip of Lurch saying "You rang?", it would be much appreciated.) Edited November 14, 2020 by TheOtherTed An overabundance of elocution required trimming excessive verbiage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrudeVileTerror Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Ignore everything after the first clip, and maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKdAtQuuMpQ will suit your needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulbasaur Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheOtherTed said: When I played Dark Armor brutes and tanks on live, I didn't feel like a ninja at all. I felt more like Lurch - you know, sidling up out of nowhere at the ring of a bell and being all menacing. Dark armour is such a weird set altogether, being a tanking set with two control auras and a stealth power (for those who don't know) and it's bloody wonderful. I'd love it if more sets had gimmicks like that (and to be fair the more recent ones do). The stealth effect is so weak I don't think I ever noticed it even being on. 1 Doctor Fortune Soulwright Mother Blight Brightwarden Storm Lantern King Solar Corona Borealis Blood Fortunado Dark/Dark Corruptor Rad/Rad Brute Gravity/Time Controller Storm/Water Defender Peacebringer Dark/Dark Tanker The Good Missions Guide: A Heroic Levelling Journey through Story Arcs Blueside Guide Easy IO Cheat Sheet The Mean Missions Guide: A Villainous Levelling Journey through Story Arcs Redside Guide Fortunatas are the Bestunatas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherTed Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, CrudeVileTerror said: Ignore everything after the first clip, and maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKdAtQuuMpQ will suit your needs? Perfect! 36 minutes ago, Gulbasaur said: The stealth effect is so weak I don't think I ever noticed it even being on. I loved it. Walk into a pack of mobs, wait until they register that you're there, then drop Cloak of Fear, Oppressive Gloom, and Death Shroud. Gives me that "uncanny force of nature" feeling that only an Illusion controller can match. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarverse Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, xl8 said: This will be looked at again in the future, potentially Page 2, as we look into proliferating Ninjitsu Is this a PVP thing? Can't we just leave it alone? Ninjitsu for Blasters I think. Ninjitsu for Blasters is the least played set in game by a HUGE amount. After that is the Dark secondary. Maybe it was MA for blasters instead of Ninjitsu, I can't remember for sure but it was one or the other. Edited November 14, 2020 by Solarverse SFX and Music Mods by Solarverse (Consolidated) WP/EM God Mode Tank Guide and Build Help Support the Return of Missing Code for Sound Files! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 hours ago, MoisesG said: Nerf Regen!!! For this patch, Titan Weapons valiantly threw itself in front of Regen to take the nerf for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Shadow Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 17 hours ago, siolfir said: Yes. From the beta patch notes. As for what's wrong with Ninjitsu... uhm, they added a lot to it that Stalkers didn't get when they moved it off of them? The scrapper version of Ninjitsu is so much better that I hope it gets ported to stalkers soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Toon Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 hours ago, SaintD said: You're trying to run away in a thread filled with Ninjitsu secondaries, the fastest secondary in the game. God luck with that. Second fastest, maybe. Widows can outrun Ninjitsu easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderStych Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, xl8 said: This will be looked at again in the future, potentially Page 2, as we look into proliferating Ninjitsu That quote is referencing a now-reverted change to the way the Shinobi stacked speed/jump with other travel buffs. There was a substanital outcry that the nerf was needless and out of theme for the set. (fwiw, I wholeheartedly agree with the chorus on that) Dig around in the feedback threads for more info. Edited November 14, 2020 by InvaderStych You see a mousetrap? I see free cheese and a f$%^ing challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xl8 Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, InvaderStych said: That quote is referencing a now-reverted change to the way the Shinobi stacked speed/jump with other travel buffs. There was a substanital outcry that the nerf was needless and out of theme for the set. (fwiw, I wholeheartedly agree with the chorus on that) Dig around in the feedback threads for more info. "page 2" - it's referencing a future change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderStych Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, xl8 said: "page 2" - it's referencing a future change. Pushed to Page 2 due to negative feedback from Page 1 Testing: The full context of the original quote in your OP goes into more detail, note the strike-through on Shinobi Suppression by the travel powers also in strike-through. On 11/13/2020 at 11:41 AM, Jimmy said: Movement Buffs This change has been reverted This will be looked at again in the future, potentially Page 2, as we look into proliferating Ninjitsu The following travel powers will suppress Primary/Secondary equivalent power travel buffs: Pool > Leaping > Combat Jumping Pool > Leaping > Super Jump Pool > Force of Will > Mighty Leap Pool > Speed > Super Speed Pool > Experimentation > Speed of Sound Prestige Travel > Ninja Run Prestige Travel > Beast Run Prestige Travel > Athletic Run Primary/Secondary powers impacted by this: Scrapper Defence > Ninjitsu > Shinobi-Iri Sentinel Defence > Ninjitsu > Shinobi-Iri Blaster Support > Ninja Training > Shinobi-Iri Blaster Support > Tactical Arrow > Gymnastics Edited November 14, 2020 by InvaderStych You see a mousetrap? I see free cheese and a f$%^ing challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xl8 Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, InvaderStych said: Pushed to Page 2 due to negative feedback from Page 1 Testing: Yes, which is what this thread is about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xl8 Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Solarverse said: Ninjitsu for Blasters I think No, these changes are still going ahead in Page 1 and are welcomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandX Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I read it as those changes will be looked at again in the future, as for some reason there seems to be an issue with that power and going to Brutes/Tankers? Possibly in buffing Stalker Ninjitsu? I never felt Ninjitsu to be OP. It's well rounded. Defense Debuff Resist isn't there. Heal is nice. It's Endurance Heal is the nice aspect of the set imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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