I have an issue with Scrappers, does anyone else?

[FUBARczar]

IDK what it is, I used to make more Brutes, but now whenever I go to build a Brute, I end up wanting a scrapper instead.  Does anyone else have this issue?

 

I think it's because of the ATOs and the superior burst damage is more satisfying.  What are your reasons?

 

MAOR CRITS!!!

[Chuckers]

I prefer scrappers because I can't play the Brute AT properly. I always get in the mindset that if I don't move on to the next group, I am going to not be able to do damage.. at which point I neglect my health and endurance and end up dying. I much prefer Scrapperlock to Brutelock. My damage as a scrapper doesn't go down if I stop to regain health/end.

[MunkiLord]

I constantly have this issue. Right now I'm looking at making a Blaster, Dom, or Corruptor. But in the end, I'll likely just make another Scrapper and everything works out for me.

[StarseedWarrior]

Brutes are over popular, scrappers are allot more fun due to crits to me.

[marcussmythe]

I have two tanks, a brute, a scrapper, and I'm considering a Night Widow and a Stalker.  I love them all, and each has a lot to recommend them.

[hejtmane]

I tried brutes in the past but I hate the ramp up to damage each time; like sometimes when i solo missions I have to go do something with a scrapper I just start back up everything is golden brute you have to ramp up and then run to next mission ramp up. I like to be able to just go when i want to go and hit things hard

[Murcielago]

What's a Brute?

[HelenCarnate]

What's a Brute?

 

It's one of those things that hits harder at low levels before SOs but wishes it had scrapper damage at high levels.

[Murcielago]

What's a Brute?

 

It's one of those things that hits harder at low levels before SOs but wishes it had scrapper damage at high levels.

Never heard of it!

[Eva Destruction]

I've always been of the mindset that Brutes are for tanking, Scrappers are for making things dead.  Especially since everyone and their uncle is playing Brutes these days, so you're fighting for aggro, and thus fury, on a team, and then somebody invites an actual tank and there goes the Brutes' damage output.  Meanwhile, the Scrappers just keep on killing.

[Without_Pause]

I prefer scrappers because I can't play the Brute AT properly. I always get in the mindset that if I don't move on to the next group, I am going to not be able to do damage.. at which point I neglect my health and endurance and end up dying. I much prefer Scrapperlock to Brutelock. My damage as a scrapper doesn't go down if I stop to regain health/end.

 

/wp brutes say "Hi."

[Tater Todd]

I've always been of the mindset that Brutes are for tanking, Scrappers are for making things dead.  Especially since everyone and their uncle is playing Brutes these days, so you're fighting for aggro, and thus fury, on a team, and then somebody invites an actual tank and there goes the Brutes' damage output.  Meanwhile, the Scrappers just keep on killing.

 

Everyone and their Grandmother are playing Brutes now because they were too scared to jump on Redside and roll one.  Now that the game is back and they players have stopped being so darn WEIRD they actually bother to try it out.  Give it time Scrappers will be king once again :P.

 

Personally, I like both sides Red and Blue and I don't let the side things stop me from having fun.  I have all of the melee ATs but I like playing certain powersets with certain classes.

[Sailboat]

Brutes are over popular, scrappers are allot more fun due to crits to me.

 

Preach it. Back in the day, I used to see posts saying the Scrapper inherent was bad because it couldn't be planned for or strategized around.  But to me it's always been a fun surprise when CRITICAL pops up.  People also complained that crits are "wasted" on foes with little life remaining (strangely, I don't remember anyone saying that about Scourge), but that's just an opportunity to shout "Boo yah!  How do you like THAT?!?" at the monitor.

[Sailboat]

and then somebody invites an actual tank and there goes the Brutes' damage output.  Meanwhile, the Scrappers just keep on killing.

 

Brute:  "Oh shit, there goes my Fury."

 

Scrapper:  "Look at THAT clump of bad guys!"

[nihilii]

(strangely, I don't remember anyone saying that about Scourge)

 

To be fair:

- Scourge is more predictable. Around ~20%, you're nigh guaranteed to crit.

- Corruptor base damage is much lower than Scrappers.

- ranged attacks have as a trend lower damage scale and faster animations than melee attacks (meaning you're both less likely to watch a teammate finish off mob during your animation, and more likely for your full extra damage to be useful)

 

All of these combined makes for an Apples & Oranges situation, even though the inherents are intuitively similar.

[Riverdusk]

Brutes are over popular, scrappers are allot more fun due to crits to me.

 

Preach it. Back in the day, I used to see posts saying the Scrapper inherent was bad because it couldn't be planned for or strategized around.  But to me it's always been a fun surprise when CRITICAL pops up.  People also complained that crits are "wasted" on foes with little life remaining (strangely, I don't remember anyone saying that about Scourge), but that's just an opportunity to shout "Boo yah!  How do you like THAT?!?" at the monitor.

 

I actually feel that way about scourge.  On most foes it doesn't seem to trigger until it'd be dead anyway and it does feel wasted to me. Elite bosses and Archvillians being the exception of course, on those it is wonderful.  I do like crits more than scourge myself.

[Without_Pause]

and then somebody invites an actual tank and there goes the Brutes' damage output.  Meanwhile, the Scrappers just keep on killing.

 

Brute:  "Oh shit, there goes my Fury."

 

Scrapper:  "Look at THAT clump of bad guys!"

 

To be fair, I prefer soloing brutes so there's little issue with the whole fury bar going away.

[Erratic1]

and then somebody invites an actual tank and there goes the Brutes' damage output.  Meanwhile, the Scrappers just keep on killing.

 

Brute:  "Oh shit, there goes my Fury."

 

Scrapper:  "Look at THAT clump of bad guys!"

 

Did a four man Positron 1 TF this past weekend where the group consisted of 1Tanker, 1 Scrapper, and 2Brutes. At some point I realized my brute kept pulling aggro when we were all fighting together. I'd put it down to Against All Odds, but the scrapper was Shield Defense too. I definitely had to be careful in using Psi Blade Sweep.

[Eva Destruction]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

 

[Without_Pause]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

Correct. Good luck to a scrapper thinking they can pull a credible amount of aggro from my Spines/elec brute.

[Erratic1]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

Good point.

[MunkiLord]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

Correct. Good luck to a scrapper thinking they can pull a credible amount of aggro from my Spines/elec brute.

 

I want to say challenge accepted, but between your Spines/Elec and my Elec/SD, I don't think anything outside of an AV could live long enough for us to find out.

[BelleSorciere]

What's a Brute?

 

It's one of those things that hits harder at low levels before SOs but wishes it had scrapper damage at high levels.

 

This is what's known as "doing brutes wrong."

[Riverdusk]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

Not true from my experience and not from the power description

 

Scrapper AAO  +300% taunt on target

Brute AAO  +400% taunt on target

 

Brute is stronger, but scrappers do have a taunt aura in AAO.  I definitely notice it.  I play a dark armor scrapper and things are running away from me all the time despite the damage aura.  Very annoying.  Playing a shield (or WP, scrapper WP also has one as well as a couple of other sets), and things rarely run away from my scrapper.

[Chuckers]

But don't Brutes also have an actual taunt effect in their auras, while Scrappers don't?  So Brute AAO should beat Scrapper AAO.

 

Correct. Good luck to a scrapper thinking they can pull a credible amount of aggro from my Spines/elec brute.

 

But I don't want my scrapper to pull aggro from your brute or a tank. I want you to hold the boss/av's attention while I quickly kill it.