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If you don’t have any “interest” in a currency’s primary use, it’s not a dev problem when the currency is rendered useless to you. I don’t use every form of currency in the game either. No big deal.

 

As for concerns about incentives to run certain content, I don’t think proposing to bulldoze the game’s entire incentive structure yesterday makes today’s arguments look very sincere.

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27 minutes ago, arcane said:

As for concerns about incentives to run certain content, I don’t think proposing to bulldoze the game’s entire incentive structure yesterday makes today’s arguments look very sincere.

 

You are (once again) either misunderstanding or willfully misrepresenting the intent of my suggestion and what it was in relation to.  It was a suggestion on how to permanently stop gold farmers. 

 

So long as there are rewards that have to be earned, there will always be players looking for shortcuts to getting as much in game currency as possible and/or max level or whatever other virtual goodies there may be.

 

If you truly want to stop gold farmers, you have to remove the need for them.  You can change reward structures until the cows come home, it is not going to stop them from finding the next best method of farming.  Changing the reward structure is not going to prevent gold farmers from setting up their server farms to run farm maps on multiple computers across multiple accounts across multiple IPs.  Every step Paragon took back in the day did not eliminate gold farmers.  It did not even slow them down.  The very fact that there are gold farming sites out there now for this game is proof that changing reward structure is not a deterrent.  Gold farmers are not going to magically disappear because you cannot convert EMP merits anymore.  If anything, these changes are going to have the opposite effect and increase demand for the inf they are selling. 

 

Granting free level 50 tokens and fee inf on demand unequivocally removes the need for a gold farmer.  I am not at all suggesting that is what should be done here, so please stop twisting my words in an attempt to turn them into something they are not.  I am only pointing out that this would absolutely eliminate the need for them by eliminating the need for their business. 

 

That is what my suggestion was in relation to.  I kindly ask that you stop misrepresenting it.  Thank you.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ShardWarrior said:

You can change reward structures until the cows come home, it is not going to stop them from finding the next best method of farming.

I think this is the point that you keep missing. I don't think the Devs really care if they find the next best method of farming. The purpose here, as I see it, is to not have all the eggs in one basket (so to speak). AE is the easiest place to obtain inf, xp, incarnate slots, incarnate mats, emp merits, reward merits, etc etc and according to some posts it isnt even close. The proposal is intended to take one or two of those things away from AE while still letting it be the best place for XP/Inf/Incarnate Slots. They are not trying to end farming. Yes, players will move to farm something else when they need something other than XP/Inf, etc etc, but at least they wont be getting everything in AE. I don't mean to speak for the Devs, and I wish one would come in to clarify that point, but I believe this was more the point.

Though I have come around to realize that cutting the emp > reward merit conversion actually hurts this intent since there isnt really anything exclusive to reward merits that you cant get by farming mountains of inf. Thus, the better solution (though still not perfect I will admit) would be to cut Vet Levels from AE. Once that is done, I would suggest letting AE tickets unlock incarnate materials, so you can still progress your incarnates in AE. BUT, if that can't be done all in Page 4, I would move to just scrap these changes for now until a more perfect solution can be put in place. IMO

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1 hour ago, ShardWarrior said:

 

Better understanding and compassion from everyone involved. 

This is fair. 

Keep in mind, however, that just because someone disagrees with you and makes counter points that doesn't mean they aren't being compassionate or not understanding your point of view. I understand why people don't want there to be a change. I get it. I don't entirely like either option either. HOWEVER, I understand that taking something away from AE is necessary. That is my opinion. Can't have all the best / most sought after rewards all in one easy, quick, and repeatable place. Even if you only end up splitting it into 2 different easy, quick, and repeatable places that will still be better than one and much less efficient. I don't like that necessarily, because I will admit I love the convenience of AE. How easy  it is to get everything I want in ONE place. But, I also understand that isn't an ideal setup for an MMO (regardless of its current state on a private server) either, IMO. 

But, either way, it is what it is. I am not losing sleep if the changes happen, or if they don't. I still get to play the game I love. I will adapt, and keep on pressing. Ultimately I love creating new characters, I have over 100 of them. If I can still do that... I will be happy.

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There seems to be a bit of hyperbole about the impact of this change and the fallout it will create. It’s a transaction that never should have been allowed in the first place. There are plenty of merits to be had, if you want them go earn them. This only takes away the 4100 free merits you would get if you sold all the vet emps. While that is a decent sum, it’s not game breaking and can be earned relatively quickly over time. Even more so after the change because you will have new ways to earn them, along with the tradition methods. Why do you think so many of us do hami raids?

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All that was broken in AE was XP and that has been fixed on the incoming page 4. XP rates were very broken for sidekicks with XP boosters. What does taking away conversions between Astral, Empyreans and Reward Merits really solve? That removal hurts ALL players. Yes, there are some offsets that are appreciated f.ex adding RMs to incarnate trials but that adaptation was minor.

 

Also, I do not understand the obsession with T4 incarnate abilities and farming EMs in AE farms to obtain them. The +3 level shift is worthwhile obtaining however that be done with T3 abilities. I may not understand it but if that is what players want to do i.e. farming EMs then it is their time they can do it if they want.

 

The only actual concern I have is real world money trading. If there exists farmers exchanging inf for currency that is a problem.

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7 hours ago, Digirium said:

What does taking away conversions between Astral, Empyreans and Reward Merits really solve?

This was pretty well explained to us but I was unaware of the true reasoning until then. Makes a lot more sense now. Maybe that post could be pinned or stickied or something.

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I am starting to wonder if I am the only one who saves EMP merits for alts to make their initial Incarnate slotting easier. I don't think I have ever changed an EMP merit into a normal merit, ever. They are like gold to me. Merits I can get easy peasy by speed running whatever. But EMP merits? Precious few ways to get those, especially for those of us who mainly solo. My main use for EMP merits is to save up 50 of them, turn them into a Tran Merit and mail it to myself, so my new fresh 50 (often mastermind) can get that initial level shift which is quite important for a Mastermind, due to how the pet scaling works. A fresh 50 non-level shifted MM can be quite rough, depending on the powers and build. I mean, I wouldn't even know what to buy with merits to sell on the AH for money. But now I am wondering. I am sitting on 10,000 threads on my main character alone that I have absolutely zero use for. I don't even know how many candy canes, costume parts, merits, or whatever else currency there happens to be. On my Farming Masterminds I usually like to keep 600 or so EMP merits in the mail, plus whatever else I believe I need to hold onto.

 

The bulk of my money comes from selling white 50 recipes to npc vendors, some of them are 100k a pop and I might end a farming run with 40-50 of them. Plus the raw inf I got from the kills, plus whatever recipes and salvage I found that I can make and/or sell. Honestly I have never even considered EMP worthy of selling, as I value them more than INF, at least as far as gearing up an alt goes. I have piles of money aplenty. But EMP merits? Those take time to gain.

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2 minutes ago, Neiska said:

I am starting to wonder if I am the only one who saves EMP merits for alts to make their initial Incarnate slotting easier.

You are not alone.

 

I do this too. I email a few empyrions (or transcendents) on to the next alt to speed up getting to say, Tier-3, and then any extra emps I earn on that alt get sent along to the next one. I never use them for anything except incarnate powers.

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I personally do not get either side of this change but I am thankful AE vet exp is returned back to how it was.

 

On one hand, the time it takes to AE exp someone to level 99 is a hefty chunk of time.  My farmers Tier3 around vet level 12-15 and Tier4 around vet level 45-50, and the emps earned 50-99 are pretty small in number.  Like, the amount of INF gained from farming that much greatly outweighs the merits from leftover emps.  dont make me do math

 

I forgot what the other hand was.  probably something about math

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