If Khallista is a Wharf and boats go there ? Why no Ferry from PI?

[Heatstroke]

Shouldnt the Ferry from PI and Talos also go there? I mean it just makes sense.. And shouldnt the two level 50 hero zones be connected somewhow?? I can get from Grandville to Khallista by submarine but  I cant get from PI to Khallista by boat?

[AboveTheChemist]

Not saying I disagree with your suggestion but looking at a map of the city (in the spoiler box below) makes things a bit clearer.

 

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Peregrine Island needs a ferry because PI has no connection to the mainland, and Talos is the logical departure point of said ferry. I've crudely drawn the ferry route between PI and Talos on the map in red. I have also placed a red box around the Kallisti Wharf zone. KW is well connected to the mainland and sending the ferry that distance probably doesn't make a lot of sense, plus that's another boat in the likely busy shipping lane serving Independence Port.

 

 

[lemming]

I bet there's a bunch of tour boats that do a IP, KW, PI, Talos Loop.   An evening dinner cruise, with only a slight chance of Lusca having dinner.

[Uun]

4 hours ago, Heatstroke said:

I can get from Grandville to Khallista by submarine but  I cant get from PI to Khallista by boat?

You can get from Kallisti to PI by submarine.

[Rudra]

16 hours ago, Heatstroke said:

I cant get from PI to Khallista by boat?

Take the Smuggler's Submarine at the SW end of Peregrine Island. It takes you to the Smuggler's Submarine at the wharf of Kallisti Wharf. (And then like @Uun said, you can take that sub back to PI as well.)

 

Edit: Oh yeah, to answer the question of why no ferries go to Kallisti Wharf? My guess is because the wharf itself is pretty small. It doesn't have a dock big enough for a ferry. The sub that is there is a very small submarine if we're being honest here. (Yes, all the subs in the game are that small, but those are still rather small subs.) So, to me at least, it looks like the wharf can only accommodate small vessels. (Edit again: So it doesn't look like KW is a major connection point, but more of a local sailing spot. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a sailing club or some such there, not a yacht club, just some sailing enthusiasts, enjoying time on their boats.)

 

Edited July 1 by Rudra

[Lazarillo]

11 hours ago, AboveTheChemist said:

Not saying I disagree with your suggestion but looking at a map of the city (in the spoiler box below) makes things a bit clearer.

 

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Peregrine Island needs a ferry because PI has no connection to the mainland, and Talos is the logical departure point of said ferry. I've crudely drawn the ferry route between PI and Talos on the map in red. I have also placed a red box around the Kallisti Wharf zone. KW is well connected to the mainland and sending the ferry that distance probably doesn't make a lot of sense, plus that's another boat in the likely busy shipping lane serving Independence Port.

 

 

Hmmm, on that note, feels like maybe there should be a "foot entrance" to KW from IP.  There isn't, though, AFAIK, or am I wrong?

[TheMoneyMaker]

Needs more helicopter access.

[lemming]

11 hours ago, Lazarillo said:

Hmmm, on that note, feels like maybe there should be a "foot entrance" to KW from IP.  There isn't, though, AFAIK, or am I wrong?

Good point.  Does look like there are some feasible connection spots

[Krimson]

On 6/30/2025 at 8:06 AM, AboveTheChemist said:

Not saying I disagree with your suggestion but looking at a map of the city (in the spoiler box below) makes things a bit clearer.

 

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Peregrine Island needs a ferry because PI has no connection to the mainland, and Talos is the logical departure point of said ferry. I've crudely drawn the ferry route between PI and Talos on the map in red. I have also placed a red box around the Kallisti Wharf zone. KW is well connected to the mainland and sending the ferry that distance probably doesn't make a lot of sense, plus that's another boat in the likely busy shipping lane serving Independence Port.

 

 

How does the monorail work going from Steel Canyon to Croatoa? Does it bypass Kallisti and just go over the water?

[Krimson]

22 minutes ago, Krimson said:

How does the monorail work going from Steel Canyon to Croatoa? Does it bypass Kallisti and just go over the water?

It appears to bypass Steel Canyon. :D

[lemming]

I think the issue with the monorail and street connections is that Croatoa & KW were added after the initial map making it a little wonky.

[Darmian]

The ferries are all on the East side of Paragon.  If you were to add one to KW then you may as well go ahead and add one to IP as well, given the layout of the map.

[Uun]

1 hour ago, Darmian said:

The ferries are all on the East side of Paragon.  If you were to add one to KW then you may as well go ahead and add one to IP as well, given the layout of the map.

The Smuggler's Submarine also goes to IP (and Striga).

[Snarky]

Why no ferry from the Rogue Isles?  Or at least a cargo barge….

[MTeague]

It's all because of Zephyr. He likes to smash ferries full of people against the rocks, and He's The Freaking Wind.

[Darmian]

2 hours ago, MTeague said:

It's all because of Zephyr. He likes to smash ferries full of people against the rocks, and He's The Freaking Wind.

Dude.

[Krimson]

8 hours ago, lemming said:

I think the issue with the monorail and street connections is that Croatoa & KW were added after the initial map making it a little wonky.

No kidding. My map doesn't have Kallisti at all.

[Techwright]

On 6/30/2025 at 9:51 PM, Lazarillo said:

Hmmm, on that note, feels like maybe there should be a "foot entrance" to KW from IP.  There isn't, though, AFAIK, or am I wrong?

It really does look like there should be one, but its the War Walls.  There are city divisions between the playing areas, and presumably they, too, have the walls as obstacles to some really good routes.

 

9 hours ago, Krimson said:

How does the monorail work going from Steel Canyon to Croatoa? Does it bypass Kallisti and just go over the water?

Or under the water via tunnel, but yes, it does seem to bypass KW.

8 hours ago, Darmian said:

The ferries are all on the East side of Paragon.  If you were to add one to KW then you may as well go ahead and add one to IP as well, given the layout of the map.

I'm all for that same ferry making two stops: KW and IP.  Just as long as the IP stop is on the western bank.  We've far too many connections on the eastern bank largely leading to the western bank being ignored.

[Krimson]

15 minutes ago, Techwright said:

Or under the water via tunnel, but yes, it does seem to bypass KW.

In my subsequent post it does look like the left tunnel is the one that goes to Croatoa, it's the right one that is confusing, because that way is Boomtown.

[Heatstroke]

On 6/30/2025 at 9:51 PM, Lazarillo said:

Hmmm, on that note, feels like maybe there should be a "foot entrance" to KW from IP.  There isn't, though, AFAIK, or am I wrong?

 

Thank you that makes this a LOT clearer and makes sense

[Heatstroke]

On 6/30/2025 at 1:16 PM, Rudra said:

Take the Smuggler's Submarine at the SW end of Peregrine Island. It takes you to the Smuggler's Submarine at the wharf of Kallisti Wharf. (And then like @Uun said, you can take that sub back to PI as well.)

 

Edit: Oh yeah, to answer the question of why no ferries go to Kallisti Wharf? My guess is because the wharf itself is pretty small. It doesn't have a dock big enough for a ferry. The sub that is there is a very small submarine if we're being honest here. (Yes, all the subs in the game are that small, but those are still rather small subs.) So, to me at least, it looks like the wharf can only accommodate small vessels. (Edit again: So it doesn't look like KW is a major connection point, but more of a local sailing spot. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a sailing club or some such there, not a yacht club, just some sailing enthusiasts, enjoying time on their boats.)

 

 

 

Id feel weird as a hero being " smuggled " my Rogues.. sure yes they all about it.. even the vigilantes wouldnt mind.. but the heroes?? The questions.. The shame.. LOL 

[Rudra]

17 minutes ago, Heatstroke said:

 

 

Id feel weird as a hero being " smuggled " my Rogues.. sure yes they all about it.. even the vigilantes wouldnt mind.. but the heroes?? The questions.. The shame.. LOL 

Personally, the way I view it isn't as the character being smuggled into Kallisti Wharf. Nothing is saying the sub dives only to surface at the dock. I just view it as a small vessel agreeing to take my character between Peregrine Island and Kallisti Wharf due to lack of facilities. Who's to say your character isn't lounging on a sun chair on the deck sipping a martini while chatting with the captain going from Peregrine Island to Kallisti Wharf? They could change it to a small sailboat at both locations and I wouldn't mind. However, that would then separate Kallisti Wharf as being accessible by the submarine to have the sailboat instead, and being able to choose from multiple destinations with the sub works much better for me.

[Heatstroke]

8 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Personally, the way I view it isn't as the character being smuggled into Kallisti Wharf. Nothing is saying the sub dives only to surface at the dock. I just view it as a small vessel agreeing to take my character between Peregrine Island and Kallisti Wharf due to lack of facilities. Who's to say your character isn't lounging on a sun chair on the deck sipping a martini while chatting with the captain going from Peregrine Island to Kallisti Wharf? They could change it to a small sailboat at both locations and I wouldn't mind. However, that would then separate Kallisti Wharf as being accessible by the submarine to have the sailboat instead, and being able to choose from multiple destinations with the sub works much better for me.

 

OOOH a sailboat would be niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

Edited Wednesday at 05:25 PM by Heatstroke

[golstat2003]

On 7/1/2025 at 3:44 PM, MTeague said:

It's all because of Zephyr. He likes to smash ferries full of people against the rocks, and He's The Freaking Wind.

OMFG. Reading this made me feel some kind of way as I’ve just started re-reading Fables comics volume by volume. To give context to anyone in the know, I’m at part where Big Bad Wolf’s father comes into the picture and Snow talks to her last child. (No spoilers, if you know, you know lol)

[Starhammer]

While I don't know if it's worth the effort needed to make adjustments to the zones, I would find a ferry, barge, or smuggler ship stop in KW to be sensible. It would seem like the most reasonable way to get large amounts of construction materials into the zone.

Also, I think there are "potential" pedestrian/automobile points of entry to Independence Port, but the seem to all be collapsed and filled with rubble. Maybe speak to the mayor about getting some construction crews to clear them out.