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Please stop feeding the troll guys. He gets aroused from lecturing people, and we should be working to minimize that annoying feature.

If Switch would like to agree with this paragraph, I’d be happy to accept his apology for talking down to justifiably upset farmers ever since the nerf.

Good thing I never refuted a word of this. I’ll assume, like with all your posts, you’re really replying to someone else. Because at no point have you addressed MY point and countered with anything but irrelevant straw men and outrageous insults. Good thing too that I already understood every concept here years before you came along too; otherwise I might have had to worry that your constant sneering condescension and implications that other posters are stupid and uneducated had some actual merit.

Nice work Luminara but why would we count XP as income? Especially when one’s farmers are vet level 99+ and the xp has zero value? Also, wouldn’t you have to have old market values on hand for the “before change” calculation?

I am not suggesting that playing the game for a few minutes more is massively distressing. I am suggesting that people lying about the very existence of those few extra minutes and saying they are a figment of imagination because I am some deficient uneducated fool is massively insulting and that’s a little distressing. See the difference? EDIT: threw you a positive reaction emoji for not calling me stupid. Wasn’t that easy lol.

The idea that I, the ONLY person in this thread that knows how long it took me to kit out a new alt before and after the nerf, am so ignorant that I can perceive increased buying power as decreased buying power... is so tremendously insulting I can’t wrap my head around it. Easily the worst sneering condescension I’ve ever seen in this community since CoH live i0.

It may have been a net positive change for the economy as a whole, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was a net negative change for some players. And telling me I don’t know what’s in my own wallet as well as you do because I am apparently stupid and uneducated is truly high arrogance. You are lying to my face and insulting me all at once. I’d prefer you stop.

Well, based on the replies I got overnight, I see we’re back to dishonest portrayals of our arguments, gaslighting people by implying no nerf ever occurred, and shaming them for not adopting superior playstyles. Great. If this is how you want to treat people, fine. Just be sure you never expect any respect in return.

I think we had started to establish a dialogue based on mutual respect in the last page or so that you just ended. Sigh.

I understand that bit and why the nerf did what it did. What Jimmy also said was that people shouldn’t feel they have to farm to get in on the best the game has to offer. If that’s true, is there not some obligation to make sure players don’t have similar feelings about the marketeering playstyle?

Marketeering has always been surrounded by attitudes of “you can have this too if you just do the work”. Which isn’t wrong. What’s also not wrong is that same attitude but with regards to farming. The only difference? Marketeers’ playstyle isn’t constantly in the crosshairs of the nerfbat. Would I get over it and learn to marketeer if long term in game wealth were my sole concern (disregarding personal play style and fun as factors)? Sure. Does it still suck that my preferred method of accruing a fraction of marketeer wages is the one that always gets the nerfbat? Yes, yes it does. Oh. Well.

Yeah my problem is I like farming way better, so my only interest in marketeering is in being one of those hyper-rich pros that make more than farmers. So when I get the mediocre returns every beginning investor has to start with, I just get discouraged and go back to my farming day job that at least pays the bills, though slower than any of my rich friends pay theirs.

Absolutely, I don’t believe inequality is inherently wrong either. Unfortunately, the vessel that was helping me reach new heights in terms of wealth - farming - got nerfed. Consider yourself profoundly fortunate that your preferred method of wealth accrual has been preserved better than mine.

I don’t know his points, but I will say that, for myself, I’ve tried to follow guides to marketeering several times and found the whole process so tedious and filled with long waits that I ultimately decided I didn’t have the patience/capacity to do it correctly in the way that our dear billionaires do.

I had 100% of my alts purpled to the teeth before the nerf. As soon as the nerf hit, I lost my patience with the slower rates of return pretty quickly. Now only ~50% of my 50’s have enhancements at all. 😕

What has made this issue frustrating for me is having to either (1) farm for many more hours than before per character or (2) gut other completed characters to harvest IO’s, and, all the while, reading threads about it where a group of posters have basically stated that everything is rosy now and anyone that’s got a problem with this change is just stupid and ignorant of basic economics. Again, appreciate the truth.

I deleted a post that was pretty irate that he might’ve gotten something from. Turns out I get angry when talked down to. Major character flaw on my part. Carry on.

At the end of the day, as it relates to experience and influence, I care about one single figure: the average amount of my real life time I have to input to yield a maxed out level 50 character. And this change has meant for me: more input for the same output. That’s as clearly a nerf to me as anything can be, and usually people don’t appreciate being told they’d see they’re doing better than ever if only they weren’t too mentally deficient to realize it.

Thanks for the honesty instead of the “everyone is better off now” gaslighting.

I’m aware of this. But a lot of people have been insistent that this is a good thing across the board and have thus refused to paint it as a nerf to farmers. Which I firmly still believe it is. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Cute non-argument but if you’re going to admit you have no support for claiming my personal experience is null and void, maybe don’t be so dogmatic and arrogant about your theories.

There is zero data behind the assertion that my personal experience is not broadly shared with others. The only way the economy is now better for farmers is if the cost decrease is so dramatic that it matches the income nerf, logically speaking. My experience and that of most I talk to (excluding billionaire marketeers and “I have an economics degree” forumbros) is that we are not there yet.

Prices are not down enough yet to match the nerf, so yes, there is absolutely pain. In before some economist drops in to tell me my personal experience is guided by plain stupidity and I’m actually wealthier than before in spite of having to gut toons left and right to keep the IO’s flowing at a pre-nerf pace.

That’s what I thought. I just think ability to solo AV’s with or without temporary powers is an important distinction. Thanks for the clarification.

When you guys talk about solo’ing AV’s, just how safe is it to assume temp powers are being used? I have zero interest in solo’ing something my build alone can’t handle, so just curious how pervasive a part of the TF/AV solo’ing culture envenomed daggers and so on are.