Knockback Attack! What cool stuff could KB do?

[Troo]

On 2/7/2020 at 3:00 PM, Galaxy Brain said:

If the KB damage is a proc, it won't be effected by further +Damage boosts outside of +Knockback effects you somehow aquire. 

Interesting idea up to the point above which gave me a pause.

I was naively thinking that the idea would allow slotting for +dam OR +kb and boost damage in different ways, which would solve the slotting for knockback at the cost of damage issue.

[Galaxy Brain]

Just now, Troo said:

Interesting idea up to the point above which gave me a pause.

I was naively thinking that the idea would allow slotting for +dam OR +kb and boost damage in different ways, which would solve the slotting for knockback at the cost of damage issue.

What I mean by that is that the KB damage is seperate from normal damage. If you use Build Up, it won't effect the KB damage since it is solely attached to KB magnitude 

[Troo]

got it! that would also take care of Power Boost.

 

okay, I'm in.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Troo

[Saiyajinzoningen]

Interesting food for thought. Since knockback and knockdown is all an order of magnitude and not really separate functions, doesn't this mean if you are flying way up in the air and hit a foe with air superiority they would take massive damage when they hit the ground? 

[Leogunner]

11 minutes ago, Saiyajinzoningen said:

Interesting food for thought. Since knockback and knockdown is all an order of magnitude and not really separate functions, doesn't this mean if you are flying way up in the air and hit a foe with air superiority they would take massive damage when they hit the ground? 

Depends how far away from the ground they are.

[Blackfeather]

I'm pretty sure Air Superiority inflicts -Fly, not Knockback.

[Troo]

55 minutes ago, Blackfeather said:

I'm pretty sure Air Superiority inflicts -Fly, not Knockback.

it may say -fly but it does an almost guaranteed knockdown knockup (one of my fav attacks)

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by Troo
minor correction

[Saiyajinzoningen]

it does both, which is kinda the point. negative fly is irresistible. Potentially this change could make air superiority one of the strongest attacks in the game given enough altitude.

[Galaxy Brain]

Assuming you actually knock somebody out of the sky, sure that makes sense. The times where that is relevant are pretty small anyways so sure 🙂

 

Im fiddling with the formula on my end to see if accounting for the base chance / target cap for the knock powers makes sense or not... what do you all think?

 

Using Nova as an example, that has 100% chance to knock with high mag to upwards of 16 targets. With the current formula, that is a bonus 186.94 damage per target with 0 enhancements for blasters, bumping it from 250.24 > 437.18 damage (~75% damage increase) if you are able to yeet people. This can be pushed to +514.09 bonus damage with KB enhancement, for a total of 764.33 damage.

 

For reference, a lvl 55 minion has 437 hp exactly.... (a lvl 50 has 430.8, per paragon wiki)

 

What we could do then is alter the formula a bit so:

 

KB bonus = ((MAG * 10) * (1.5 - KB Chance)) * AT Mod

 

This favors KB% chances that are less than 50% with bonus output, and chances above 50% with lesser output.

 

New Bonus = 93.47 base (37.35% boost), 257.04 max enh (102.72% boost). Total damage -> 343.71 - 507.28

 

Likewise, a power like Power Blast would go from 18.7 -> 22.5 bonus damage due to having a <50% chance.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Galaxy Brain

[Lines]

A combo of Knockup, chase the target and then knockdown with Air Superiority would be the most superhero goddamn thing if it were an effective tactic.

[Saiyajinzoningen]

i actually used to do this with my SS tanker slotted with KB it looks great but isn't efficient in the slightest

[Chrome]

I like this idea, would this affect non damaging powers such as hurricane as well? it would make me fall in love completely

[SwitchFade]

I'm now curious and weirdly piqued to find out just how Uber KB my energy blaster can be. I will now rebuild him exclusively for KB and stun.

 

Will I do damage?! Meh, who gives a bajeebus! Will he bring dreams of graceful floating MOBs to life?

 

Will he bestow upon friend and foe the drunken shambling stupor of a Friday night at 2am?

 

Oh yes, my dear sweet summer children, yes he will!

 

Fear the KB! I will be coming to a team near you!

 

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[Grouchybeast]

4 hours ago, Lines said:

A combo of Knockup, chase the target and then knockdown with Air Superiority would be the most superhero goddamn thing if it were an effective tactic.

Can you apply knockback to an enemy in the middle of the knock-up animation?  Because epic knockup followed by epic knockback would be, well.  Epic.

 

Never, not here or on live, have I wanted a suggestion thread to become reality as much as I want this one.

[oedipus_tex]

Knockback could have a chance to expend powers that are currently recharged. Like, it literally knocks the power out of you.

[Doc_Scorpion]

On 2/1/2020 at 6:49 AM, honoroit said:

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+1 for the Railgun reference...

[Galaxy Brain]

On 2/18/2020 at 10:29 AM, Chrome said:

I like this idea, would this affect non damaging powers such as hurricane as well? it would make me fall in love completely

It would be global for all KB powers, except for KD unless we want that to just do like.... 5 damage

[Galaxy Brain]

So, I'll ask this:

 

Assuming that KB now can be a potent damage source, how does that change your opinion of powers which yeet people?

[Galaxy Brain]

It looks like my basic idea has gotten a lot of momentum from pretty much everyone I've spoken with, as well as people who have popped into the thread! 

I guess all that is next is to see if this is even feasible to implement?

[Saiyajinzoningen]

i cant wait to slot knockout blow with a KB set then teleport after the foe in the air then use air superiority to make them crash back into the ground for an instant KO. plz add little crater animation when they hit the ground from a certain speed or distance......mmm-mmm good!

[Number Six]

Haven't seen it mentioned but instead of simply buffing damage for KB magnitude, one thing I've been wanting to experiment with is to apply bonus damage if a knocked target hits something, based on how fast they were going when they slammed into the wall, etc. Kind of like fall damage but not strictly up and down. Obviously this is just an idea and I'm not sure how feasible it is due to balance concerns and figuring out the right amount of damage, but I can't deny it would feel epic.

 

Unrelated to that: How would people feel about Air Superiority's KnockUp being changed to a high-magnitude Knockdown?

[MunkiLord]

15 minutes ago, Number Six said:

Unrelated to that: How would people feel about Air Superiority's KnockUp being changed to a high-magnitude Knockdown?

What is high magnitude knockdown compared to regular knockdown?

[_NOPE_]

@Number Six I care about the net result at the end, not how you get there. If you can make Knock* "feel more epic" and/or have a greater utility so that it seems like less of a liability to those that just want to "group and AoE", then however you can work that magic to get there, I'll be happy with it.

[Bionic_Flea]

What does a high magnitude knockdown do?  Does it bounce ever higher?

 

Is that even a thing?  I thought knockdown was less then 1 mag knockBack.

[Number Six]

6 minutes ago, Bionic_Flea said:

What does a high magnitude knockdown do?  Does it bounce ever higher?

 

Is that even a thing?  I thought knockdown was less then 1 mag knockBack.

Overcomes KB protection and applies higher downward velocity when used on flying targets.

 

It's not a mechanic that exists in the current live build -- it was a hypothetical question. Wasn't sure how many people used it on the ground (where the KU bounce has more of an effect) versus the fun of swatting down airborne targets.