Heatstroke Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Looking at the list of AT's (not including HEATs or VEATs). Dominators have the least amount of combinations to choose from. This needs to be rectified From my counting of the total possible combinations per AT this is what I see ( and my math might be slightly off, I might have missed one set but I believe the point I am sharing is still extremely valid) Tanks-242 Brutes-286 Scrappers-247 Controllers-144 Blasters-169 Sentinels-156 Stalker-221 Corruptor/Defender-208 MasterMind-112 Dominators-88 Dominators flat out have the LEAST amount of combinations and among the assault types whether melee or ranges they lag PITIFULLY far behind in choices. The Sentinel which is a new AT has 68 MORE combinations and they are the new kids on the block. Give the Dominators some Love... How About Water Assault? That should be easy to port over. How about Sonic Assault.. A Dual Pistols Dominator ??? Its time for the Dominator to get some love.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) Not sure where you get "easy to port over". Assault sets are a mix of melee and ranged, sometimes with a splash of control / utility. They won't just port the existing Water Blast / Sonic / Dual Pistols blast sets as-is, nor should they. Now, I'll agree, I'd like more Assault sets to exist. But any new set should fit or at least approximate the existing models. Edited July 1, 2020 by MTeague 3 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0th Power Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Off the top of my head, I’m sure they’ve been suggested before... Other things that could be a dominator secondary: street justice assault (sj and pistols) Professor/adventurer assault (whips and punches) 1 I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatstroke Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, MTeague said: Not sure where you get "easy to port over". Assault sets are a mix of melee and ranged, sometimes with a splash of control / utility. They won't just port the existing Water Blast / Sonic / Dual Pistols blast sets as-is, nor should they. Now, I'll agree, I'd like more Assault sets to exist. But any new set should fit or at least approximate the existing models. I realize that there is a mix of melee and ranged attacks. Yet they will not have to totally make entire powersets from scratch. You could use some of the Ice Melee attacks, change the graphic to look more like water.. You could take the fire Sword and fire sword circle.. color it blue.. water sword.. make it cold damage.. There are things that could be done.. that isnt reinventing the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpousVileTerror Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I really hope that Control, Assault, and Henchpet Sets are going to receive preferential attention, as there is certainly a dearth of representation in those categories. However, balancing a new Set isn't a simple process, at least not to Homecoming's standards. Your best bet to help this process along would be to compile the numbers for your proposed Sets, and then run them through the theoretical number grinder. Get some DPA, DPS, and DPE values charted out. Bonuses points if they're in a visual graph format. No; this isn't a joke or me trying to be cheeky. Doing that level of work is likely to be the best method to encourage the Homecoming Team to seriously consider their addition. The less work they have to do themselves, the better your position will be to get them in. I'm juggling too many geese of my own right now, but I would be happy to provide some assistance to you if you would like to make this a community project. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machariel Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'd really like to see one based on the whip attacks from Demon Summoning. I think Thunderspy has it under Psychokinetic Assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeraphia Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 15 hours ago, MTeague said: Not sure where you get "easy to port over". Assault sets are a mix of melee and ranged, sometimes with a splash of control / utility. They won't just port the existing Water Blast / Sonic / Dual Pistols blast sets as-is, nor should they. Now, I'll agree, I'd like more Assault sets to exist. But any new set should fit or at least approximate the existing models. To add on to this, I'd like to see archetypes beyond just Dominator utilize Assault sets. A huge reason quite frankly that Controls, "Henchpet", and Assault sets have such few combinations to roll is due to the unfortunate fact that very few ATs use these sets at all. The only AT that uses "Henchpets" is the Mastermind, the only AT that utilizes Assault sets is Dominators, and only two ATs contribute Controls. I think making more ATs that actually make use of these sets in unique ways is another avenue that should be explored to encourage more of these sets to be designed. Although, this is HC not Paragon Studios. I do not have that level of expectation for a small team of devs (especially in these times) that I do with a company with extensive funding/resources to develop these ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, 0th Power said: Off the top of my head, I’m sure they’ve been suggested before... Other things that could be a dominator secondary: street justice assault (sj and pistols) Professor/adventurer assault (whips and punches) Yup I've suggested(& I'm sure others have too) both a -Street Assault (StJ + Chain/Elemental Whip Ranged Attacks) & -Gunfu Assault (Mixing MA & StJ Melee with Pistol Ranged Attacks) Edited July 2, 2020 by Chance Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Assaults are cool, but we really need more Control sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Heatstroke said: I realize that there is a mix of melee and ranged attacks. Yet they will not have to totally make entire powersets from scratch. You could use some of the Ice Melee attacks, change the graphic to look more like water.. You could take the fire Sword and fire sword circle.. color it blue.. water sword.. make it cold damage.. There are things that could be done.. that isnt reinventing the wheel. All dew respect(pun intended) I think it's better to do it right, in a way that will truly be appreciated then to phone it in by replicating the elemental sword attacks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'd argue that Peacebringers and Warshades have the least Powerset combinations possible. That said I do agree with proliferation of additional powersets as appropriate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, SeraphimKensai said: I'd argue that Peacebringers and Warshades have the least Powerset combinations possible. That said I do agree with proliferation of additional powersets as appropriate. Hm. Actually Peacebringer/Warshade might be good existing sets to draw from to build a thematic Assault Set. There's several blasts and punches in the humanform trees. Some single target, some Cones, some targetted AE. They might need to adjust scaling. and they might need to ask themselves "do we WANT do to that, does it start robbing the Khelds of uniqueness?" But if they didn't mind that, you could probably slap together nine powers of varying strength that do the right mix of melee/ranged/utility to form a decent Assault set. Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patti Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Use soldier of arachnos for new assault asssault set? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Replacement said: Assaults are cool, but we really need more Control sets. Dominators need to get Illusion Control yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemystic Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'm gonna shamelessly self promote again cos I had a fair few assault powersets conceptualised over in my thread here; 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpousVileTerror Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) Hey! @Tyrannical! Let's hold a poll, and see which Set the community wants fleshed out with full values first. Could be good for a community project. Edited July 2, 2020 by ImpousVileTerror . . . "hold a pole" seriously, me? Seriously? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezmera Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Wouldn't mind seeing 1-2 new control sets and 2-3 new assault sets. For the control side of things I get that it'd be hard to come up with something fresh but the Knives of Vengeance have some nasty stuff I bet could be implemented. As for the assaults yeah you'd have to dabble a bit here and there from other power sets but there's plenty to round out something nice, it's just fine tuning would need to take place along with finding the time to do it. Honestly if we just get a Whip assault set I'd be quite happy with just that. I mean it just makes too much sense for doms to have whips right? If we had whip assault unique to doms which might make some others jealous I'd totally have no problem with still having the smallest combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarillo Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I feel like Assault sets probably wouldn't/shouldn't be as high of a priority just because they're only available as Dominator secondaries. Rather, it's more time-efficient to create more Control sets, since two different ATs would benefit from those. ...unless, of course, HC wanted to create a whole new AT again and give them Assault sets, too, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chance Jackson Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lazarillo said: I feel like Assault sets probably wouldn't/shouldn't be as high of a priority just because they're only available as Dominator secondaries. Rather, it's more time-efficient to create more Control sets, since two different ATs would benefit from those. ...unless, of course, HC wanted to create a whole new AT again and give them Assault sets, too, or something? I wish they'd give sentinels access to assault sets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatstroke Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said: I'd argue that Peacebringers and Warshades have the least Powerset combinations possible. That said I do agree with proliferation of additional powersets as appropriate. Looking at the list of AT's (not including HEATs or VEATs)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 hours ago, MTeague said: There's several blasts and punches in the humanform trees. Some single target, some Cones, some targetted AE. They might need to adjust scaling. and they might need to ask themselves "do we WANT do to that, does it start robbing the Khelds of uniqueness?" Unless you add shapeshifting and 1-50 storylines, then no. (And I'm saying this as someone who loves Khelds.) Heck, if you look at the powersets, they're heavily borrowing from existing sets *anyway* in a lot of cases. Heck, you could say it was already done. Look at an En/En blast powerset, a Peacebringer - then Energy Assault. 2 Kheldian Lore and Backstory Guide 2.0: HC edition Out to EAT : A look at Epic ATs - what is, could have been, and never was Want 20 merits? Got a couple of minutes? Mini guide to the Combat Attributes window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo_G Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 8:12 PM, Machariel said: I'd really like to see one based on the whip attacks from Demon Summoning. I think Thunderspy has it under Psychokinetic Assault. Would enjoy if the animation for Hell on earth were reused for a TAoE high damage DoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystruck Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 A good "natural" origin primary would be interesting. Like... Arsenal Control or something, with tasers and grenades and the like. 4 @Twi - Phobia on Everlasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Indystruck said: A good "natural" origin primary would be interesting. Like... Arsenal Control or something, with tasers and grenades and the like. Have heard rumors Utility Belt will include things like Bolas. That could be a nice device-y way to work in a Hold to a natural Control set, if the animation was over-the-top and wrapped yoru arms as well as your legs. 1 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcane Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I think, for water, a support set that mashes up storm, cold, and empathy would be pretty dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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