Do you put procs into PBAOEs?

[kiramon]

Outside of Rad's damage aura, do you put procs into PBAOE toggles. 

 

Thinking of building out a non-granite stone dude... it's still an end hog with Cardiac, but yeah.  

 

Spoiler

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.7.2.10
https://github.com/Crytilis/mids-reborn-hero-designer

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Spines
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Stone Skin -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), UnbGrd-Max HP%(7)
Level 1: Barb Swipe -- SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), GldStr-Acc/End/Rech(46), GldStr-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(46)
Level 2: Earth's Embrace -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(9), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Prv-Heal/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(11), Prv-Absorb%(13)
Level 4: Spine Burst -- SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(A), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(45), SprMghoft-Dmg/Rchg(45), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 6: Mud Pots -- ScrDrv-Dam%(A), Arm-Dam%(13), ImpSwf-Dam%(15), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(17)
Level 8: Rooted -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal(37), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(40)
Level 10: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Brimstone Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(23), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(31)
Level 14: Rock Armor -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(19), RedFrt-Def(19), RedFrt-EndRdx(21), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 16: Ripper -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(50)
Level 18: Crystal Armor -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFrt-Def(33), RedFrt-EndRdx(33)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Build Up -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 24: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Minerals -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(42), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFrt-Def(43), RedFrt-EndRdx(45)
Level 28: Cross Punch -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(29), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(37)
Level 35: Quills -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A), Obl-%Dam(36), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(36), Obl-Acc/Rchg(36), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(37), FuroftheG-Acc/Dmg(25)
Level 38: Throw Spines -- Bmbdmt-Acc/Rech/End(A), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech(39), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech/End(39), PstBls-Dam%(27), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg(25)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(27), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(42)
Level 44: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(3)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3), PwrTrns-+Heal(5)
Level 50: Cardiac Radial Paragon 
------------
------------
Set Bonus Totals:

• 14% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 14% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 14% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 14% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 14% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 14% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 14% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 14% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 14.13% Defense(Smashing)
• 14.13% Defense(Lethal)
• 6% Defense(Fire)
• 6% Defense(Cold)
• 11.63% Defense(Energy)
• 11.63% Defense(Negative)
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
• 22.25% Defense(Melee)
• 17.25% Defense(Ranged)
• 6% Defense(AoE)
• 3.6% Max End
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 5% Enhancement(Range)
• 6% Enhancement(Heal)
• 48.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 8.75% Enhancement(Max EnduranceDiscount)
• 7.5% SpeedFlying
• GrantPower Preventive Medicine (10% chance, if Scourge)
• 267.1 HP (14.25%) HitPoints
• 7.5% JumpHeight
• 7.5% SpeedJumping
• MezResist(Confused) 96.25%
• MezResist(Held) 96.25%
• MezResist(Immobilized) 96.25%
• MezResist(Sleep) 96.25%
• MezResist(Stunned) 96.25%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 96.25%
• MezResist(Teleport) 100% (20% chance)
• 10.5% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
• 28% (2.19 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 15% ResEffect(SpeedFlying)
• 15% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 15% ResEffect(SpeedRunning)
• 29% Resistance(Smashing)
• 29% Resistance(Lethal)
• 28.25% Resistance(Fire)
• 28.25% Resistance(Cold)
• 15.5% Resistance(Energy)
• 15.5% Resistance(Negative)
• 5% Resistance(Toxic)
• 5% Resistance(Psionic)
• 7.5% SpeedRunning

 

Edited August 13, 2020 by kiramon

[Werner]

I like my set bonuses too much to go full proc monster, but usually one or two procs in AoEs, yes.

[Bill Z Bubba]

Yup. Usually a purple set - the damage only enh + 1 other set proc.

Sometimes a full AT set. On two of my FA tanks I've got the full tanker +absorption set in blazing aura.

[Sovera]

Toggles, not me. The math has shown to be bad (chance of every 10 seconds).

[Uun]

I happen to like 4-slotting Scirocco's Dervish in damage toggles (acc/dmg, dmg/end, acc/dmg/end and proc).  Unlike most of the other PBAOE sets, you don't have to slot recharge that's wasted and you get decent bonuses.

[tidge]

I don't add procs to toggles. I can't think of an example where the math would have worked in my favor. My builds will either opt for a set bonus or straight boost (possibly a HamiO) instead of hoping for a proc to fire.

Often the slot itself can be better invested in an attack, if the desire is to see the proc at work. YMMV.

[Heraclea]

I am particularly fond of buf fand debuff procs in toggles.  Willpower's RttC takes a Dark Watcher's Despair recharge slow.  Invulnerability's Invincibility likewise gets Chance for Buildup.

[Haijinx]

3 hours ago, Heraclea said:

I am particularly fond of buf fand debuff procs in toggles.  Willpower's RttC takes a Dark Watcher's Despair recharge slow.  Invulnerability's Invincibility likewise gets Chance for Buildup.

Very interested in how the second one works.  

 

 

[Biff Pow]

1 hour ago, Haijinx said:

Very interested in how the second one works.  

 

 

Get a lot of enemies around you and the Chance for Buildup goes off a lot, sometimes even doubling up.

[aethereal]

2 hours ago, Haijinx said:

Very interested in how the second one works.  

Chance to proc (on you) once for each target affected by the toggle, every slightly more than 10 seconds, per standard PPM math, with a 10s "recharge" time.

[StrikerFox]

Haven't tried it on Homecoming but did do it on live. Spines/Dark with 8 procs spread over 3 powers. Quills, Death Shroud and Cloak of Fear. It could have fit 10 procs but wanted the +E/N def set bonus from Eradication. 

 

It was pretty good, an uptick in overall dps. It was fun seeing a flurry of proc damage every 10 seconds. Each target within range averaged about 2 proc hits whenever they triggered. If toggles are all active when entering a mission, all proc timing zero, and begin triggering at the exact same time (and every 10 seconds after).

 

Looking at Quills... 15s recharge, 0.924 cast, 0.52 e/s cost. Can it be proc'd up, cast, shutoff while the next power animates, then reactivated again with no 10s proc cooldown? Wondering if it can be constantly used like a small proc bomb.

 

[KC4800]

Full set of Armageddon in icicles. Chance for Fire Damage from pointy icy things.

 

[CaptainLupis]

Not typically in toggles. I have the achilles' heel -res in beta decay and that's it. Plenty in my click powers though.

[InvaderStych]

On 8/13/2020 at 7:39 AM, kiramon said:

Outside of Rad's damage aura, do you put procs into PBAOE toggles. 

 

Thinking of building out a non-granite stone dude... it's still an end hog with Cardiac, but yeah.  

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.7.2.10
https://github.com/Crytilis/mids-reborn-hero-designer

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Natural Tanker
Primary Power Set: Stone Armor
Secondary Power Set: Spines
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Stone Skin -- UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(5), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), UnbGrd-Max HP%(7)
Level 1: Barb Swipe -- SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), GldStr-Acc/End/Rech(46), GldStr-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(46)
Level 2: Earth's Embrace -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(9), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Prv-Heal/Rchg(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(11), Prv-Absorb%(13)
Level 4: Spine Burst -- SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(A), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(45), SprMghoft-Dmg/Rchg(45), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 6: Mud Pots -- ScrDrv-Dam%(A), Arm-Dam%(13), ImpSwf-Dam%(15), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(17)
Level 8: Rooted -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal(37), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(40)
Level 10: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Brimstone Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(23), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(31)
Level 14: Rock Armor -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(19), RedFrt-Def(19), RedFrt-EndRdx(21), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 16: Ripper -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(50)
Level 18: Crystal Armor -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFrt-Def(33), RedFrt-EndRdx(33)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Build Up -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 24: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Minerals -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(42), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFrt-Def(43), RedFrt-EndRdx(45)
Level 28: Cross Punch -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(29), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(37)
Level 35: Quills -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A), Obl-%Dam(36), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(36), Obl-Acc/Rchg(36), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(37), FuroftheG-Acc/Dmg(25)
Level 38: Throw Spines -- Bmbdmt-Acc/Rech/End(A), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech(39), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech/End(39), PstBls-Dam%(27), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg(25)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(27), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(42)
Level 44: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(3)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3), PwrTrns-+Heal(5)
Level 50: Cardiac Radial Paragon 
------------
------------
Set Bonus Totals:

• 14% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 14% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 14% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 14% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 14% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 14% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 14% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 14% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 14.13% Defense(Smashing)
• 14.13% Defense(Lethal)
• 6% Defense(Fire)
• 6% Defense(Cold)
• 11.63% Defense(Energy)
• 11.63% Defense(Negative)
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
• 22.25% Defense(Melee)
• 17.25% Defense(Ranged)
• 6% Defense(AoE)
• 3.6% Max End
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 5% Enhancement(Range)
• 6% Enhancement(Heal)
• 48.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 8.75% Enhancement(Max EnduranceDiscount)
• 7.5% SpeedFlying
• GrantPower Preventive Medicine (10% chance, if Scourge)
• 267.1 HP (14.25%) HitPoints
• 7.5% JumpHeight
• 7.5% SpeedJumping
• MezResist(Confused) 96.25%
• MezResist(Held) 96.25%
• MezResist(Immobilized) 96.25%
• MezResist(Sleep) 96.25%
• MezResist(Stunned) 96.25%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 96.25%
• MezResist(Teleport) 100% (20% chance)
• 10.5% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
• 28% (2.19 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 15% ResEffect(SpeedFlying)
• 15% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 15% ResEffect(SpeedRunning)
• 29% Resistance(Smashing)
• 29% Resistance(Lethal)
• 28.25% Resistance(Fire)
• 28.25% Resistance(Cold)
• 15.5% Resistance(Energy)
• 15.5% Resistance(Negative)
• 5% Resistance(Toxic)
• 5% Resistance(Psionic)
• 7.5% SpeedRunning

 

 

Proc-Bomb Ground Zero.  Tried this on my scrapper after a short thread here.  Haven't looked back since.  90% fire rate even if you manage to enhance the ba-jeebus out of it's recharge. (It doesn't taper off until after ~105% enhanced recharge, iirc).

Edited August 14, 2020 by InvaderStych

[Haijinx]

21 hours ago, Supertanker said:

Get a lot of enemies around you and the Chance for Buildup goes off a lot, sometimes even doubling up.

I was thinking this would pair very good with Super Strength since Rage isn't a very good mule for the proc.

 

It works good in tactics in my SR/SS - But it means having to take leadership and I hate taking leadership. 

[SwitchFade]

No.