Granite armor uhh. . . what's the deal?

[FullEclipse]

So I realized that in granite armor it is impossible to fight anything, when did it get a 30% damage reduction AND a 65% recharge reduction???? One of these is bad enough but both of them together is crazy unplayable.

[Hyperstrike]

It is NOT "unplayable".

It's just a stiff penalty to pay for being the absolute toughest thing in the game.

And it's a bit unwarranted now that it's possible to build other tanks to practically similar levels of indestructibility.  Without the crippling penalties.

Note: I've been playing since 07/04/2008.  Granite's ALWAYS had these penalties as far as I know.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Hyperstrike

[Outrider_01]

Toggle, no crash, 80% of the way to capping your resist and defense with just 6 slots.  A penalty is added just as much as the crash for other long recharge T9 clicks

[SaintD]

Not to mention that when it was made, back in the mists of time, aeons ago.....they would have expected you to turn it on and off. You turn it on to stand in the middle of absolute silliness or in front of an AV, they didn't think you'd actually do everything with it on.

[Psyonico]

To my knowledge Granite penalties haven't changed ever, they've always been like that.

[FullEclipse]

4 hours ago, Psyonico said:

To my knowledge Granite penalties haven't changed ever, they've always been like that.

Well if that is the case I have very different memories of them, ohh well.

[Snarky]

Because it turns you into a rock.  or a lobster.  I only played one for a day.  It was that bad.  Cannot remember the exact details.  But it was just unplayable to me.  And my costume was gone.

[ninja surprise]

The only thing that's changed in Stone Armor is in the old days you could only run 1 toggle at a time.

[Hyperstrike]

5 hours ago, Snarky said:

Because it turns you into a rock.  or a lobster.  I only played one for a day.  It was that bad.  Cannot remember the exact details.  But it was just unplayable to me.  And my costume was gone.

 

 

[SeraphimKensai]

Those penalties for Granite were in on the Beta server back March of 2004.

 

That said I understand the -recharge, but if anything it should have a +damage, I mean your getting hit by a 2 ton chunk of rock.

[WillParkinson]

4 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

Those penalties for Granite were in on the Beta server back March of 2004.

 

That said I understand the -recharge, but if anything it should have a +damage, I mean your getting hit by a 2 ton chunk of rock.

Excuse me? How rude. I've lost a lot of weight since the last time you saw me. 😛 

[Haijinx]

I'm curious about the wording in the patch notes for Beta on this.  When it says it detoggles all jumping powers, didn't it already do that?  Why the emphasis?

[Hyperstrike]

On 3/26/2021 at 3:02 AM, WillParkinson said:

Excuse me? How rude. I've lost a lot of weight since the last time you saw me. 😛 

Had some sculpting done have you?

[WillParkinson]

On 3/28/2021 at 4:52 AM, Hyperstrike said:

Had some sculpting done have you?

A little nip, a little tuck, a bit of pointing.

[Marshal_General]

10 hours ago, WillParkinson said:

A little nip, a little tuck, a bit of pointing.

Now you have...ahem....chiseled abs!

[TC]

On 3/25/2021 at 6:02 PM, FullEclipse said:

Well if that is the case I have very different memories of them, ohh well.

It used to make Stone, by far, the best tank in the game because it did what IOs do now - make Tanks (and to an extent, other players too) nigh invincible. After IOs, the armor became completely obsolete, but myself and many other OGs (probably you!) remember the days when Stone tanks were considered gods. I, too, came back and was surprised at how weak the power was.

Edited March 31, 2021 by TC

[Snarky]

On 3/30/2021 at 6:18 PM, TC said:

It used to make Stone, by far, the best tank in the game because it did what IOs do now - make Tanks (and to an extent, other players too) nigh invincible. After IOs, the armor became completely obsolete, but myself and many other OGs (probably you!) remember the days when Stone tanks were considered gods. I, too, came back and was surprised at how weak the power was.

perspective.  it is not weak.  it makes you nigh indestructible with no i/o.  but i/o builds are not just common, they are required for a lot of hot rolling late game teams. (and some early game teams that are...overenthusiastic....?) So any benefit that Stone had is overshadowed by everyone having their special place with none of the penalties (except purchasing i/o builds)

[Thrax]

It’s awesome. You can get around the run speed super easy. My stone tank has MA and for flipping around is awesome.  

[Verfall]

I'd say for a brute it's still relevant. And the negatives are far easier to work around. My last brute pre-snap was a stone/stone. Basically unkillable, with actual damage in comparison to the tank damage levels of the time. Now with the tank changes the middle ground is much closer. For a cheaper price you can basically make a /stone brute as unkillable as a IOed out invul tank, just with the inability to get over a curb. But you'll still do more damage overall in most instances.

[Haijinx]

16 hours ago, Verfall said:

just with the inability to get over a curb. 

honestly they need to fix just this part

[Xenosone]

Its super tough to everything but psi and i think toxic. Its too much tank considering all the other options, the pain to get there and the penalties but its fair. I just wish i could get a mudpots on another set. That is an amazing power. 

[Onlyasandwich]

On 4/7/2021 at 6:04 PM, Verfall said:

I'd say for a brute it's still relevant.

 

Agreed! I feel like Granite is super mega overkill for a Tanker in today's game, but may be worth building around on a Brute, given their more difficult time reaching the resist cap.

 

Even given that, I'm not a big fan myself. If I had a character theme that suited a giant rock, I guess I'd go for it!

Edited April 14, 2021 by Onlyasandwich

[FuturaTrunks]

My Stoner sports speeds of 30mph in granite, and about 18mph with the poop boots on as well.  My recharge is still subpar, but once I got Ageless, its actually net positive, about 80%..

 

Its a niche, and you need to be a pro with teleport for the vertical task forces, like ITF and States, but I was able to tank Lord Recluse with all 4 beams on him, no earth's embrace. 

 

I also pair my stoner with Kinetic Melee because the animations are slow like my recharge and looks really cool when a giant slab is doing martial arts!

 

Edit: Its a ProcMonster build and actually does large burst to counter its lower recharge,  extremely fun, but def overkill.

Edited April 14, 2021 by FuturaTrunks

[WillParkinson]

On 4/14/2021 at 3:33 AM, FuturaTrunks said:

My Stoner sports speeds of 30mph in granite, and about 18mph with the poop boots on as well.  My recharge is still subpar, but once I got Ageless, its actually net positive, about 80%..

 

Its a niche, and you need to be a pro with teleport for the vertical task forces, like ITF and States, but I was able to tank Lord Recluse with all 4 beams on him, no earth's embrace. 

 

I also pair my stoner with Kinetic Melee because the animations are slow like my recharge and looks really cool when a giant slab is doing martial arts!

 

Edit: Its a ProcMonster build and actually does large burst to counter its lower recharge,  extremely fun, but def overkill.

Would you be willing to share said build? 🙂

 

[Qoseph]

On 4/2/2021 at 10:32 PM, Thrax said:

It’s awesome. You can get around the run speed super easy. My stone tank has MA and for flipping around is awesome.  

Do you have a build for it, just got mine to 50 and looking to Io her out? Thanks