A tank just isn't a tank in this game

[Doomguide2005]

On 10/18/2021 at 1:24 PM, Krimson said:

Did the concept of a "Trinity" even exist when CoH was released? Should a game be beholden to a concept it predates? It's certainly not from D&D, whose three original classes were the Cleric, the Fighting Man, and the Magic User. 

      Well I can safely say the concept existed as of issue 3.  I can also safely say while the concept existed it had already expired and was headed out the door.  It just has a way of saying goodbye like the friend everyone has who starts saying goodbye at 7pm and is still chatting away as the clock strikes midnight.

[Werner]

9 hours ago, Maelwys said:

they might be a veteran who wants to use Rise of the Phoenix or something, rather than a newbie who got in over their head

I remember dying intentionally as Vengeance bait and following up with Rise of the Phoenix every time they were off cooldown. Good times.

[Bill Z Bubba]

6 minutes ago, Werner said:

I remember dying intentionally as Vengeance bait and following up with Rise of the Phoenix every time they were off cooldown. Good times.

 

Stop, evil doer, or I shall die and punch you a second time!

[InvaderStych]

29 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

Stop, evil doer, or I shall die and punch you a second time!

 

"Don't make me make you defeat me; you wouldn't like me when I'm defeated."

[arcane]

44 minutes ago, Werner said:

I remember dying intentionally as Vengeance bait and following up with Rise of the Phoenix every time they were off cooldown. Good times.

I will totally use Soul Transfer intentionally, as a highly effective “heal” 🙂

[Hyperstrike]

17 hours ago, PLVRIZR said:

 

Simply.  The.  Best.  You're the bomb.com, Hyper.  Couldn't have said it better.

Fatman or Littleboy?

[SomeGuy]

I'm not convinced this isn't a troll post.

[InvaderStych]

2 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

I'm not convinced this isn't a troll post.

 

Looks like they've gone through a few of the AT forums trashing each in turn.

 

Still waiting for them to come on down to Scrapper-Town with that noise. 🤣

[Without_Pause]

4 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

I'm not convinced this isn't a troll post.

As I've said on here before, I've teamed with them. Talking points they have had here were discussed in game. If they are a troll, they are going all-in.

[PLVRIZR]

5 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

Fatman or Littleboy?

So many possibilities....but I'll just leave it with "you tell us" 🙂

[SomeGuy]

@Without_Pause @InvaderStych then lol they must be really bad at the tanker thing in other things if they refuse to get it here.

[Hyperstrike]

1 hour ago, PLVRIZR said:

So many possibilities....but I'll just leave it with "you tell us" 🙂

[tidge]

5 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

I'm not convinced this isn't a troll post.

 

On 10/11/2021 at 4:57 PM, Without_Pause said:

Just waiting for this person to hit every forum saying why that AT sucks.

 

Ayup. This is a 'player' whose got pre-conceived notions (not unreasonable) and takes enough offense when the world dare upset those preconceived notions to post on almost every AT (not reasonable) is not worth getting upset about. The player has demonstrated that they are really good at having hurt feelz.

[Without_Pause]

Add in a bit of ignorance as well as they complained about people killing the anchor of a Rad debuff.

[lemming]

16 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Stop, evil doer, or I shall die and punch you a second time!

We're never more dangerous than when we're dead!   #yellowbeard

[Hew]

I saw "is this a troll" and immediately thought OH, It Must Be Diantane. (I started on page 4 looking around.) I clicked that page 1 button, and sure enough...

 

I can confirm that this is how they really think, and it is a hopeless endeavour to try and persuade them of anything else. 

[Hew]

19 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

Add in a bit of ignorance as well as they complained about people killing the anchor of a Rad debuff.

That hasn't been a thing for years. Thank god for that QoL change!

[Hew]

You know, at some point, I am sure the devs will find a way to drop the challenges on us everyone seems to crave, but can't find yet (short of playing something intentionally neutered), and tanks will have a more central role. At some point!

 

[ZemX]

3 hours ago, Hew said:

and tanks will have a more central role. At some point!

 

I wouldn't say central, exactly.  Tanking is just one way to mitigate incoming damage/threat.  Control and Buff/Debuff are others as is the old "good offense".  It's just the last one is about the only one that matters anymore when everyone has defense.  Tougher challenges make that self-defense from pools and IOs less effective and thus make mitigation roles valuable again.  That could mean a tanker... or it could just mean stacking some debuffs or having good crowd control.  

[Hew]

9 minutes ago, ZemX said:

That could mean a tanker... or it could just mean stacking some debuffs or having good crowd control.  

Or all of the above!!

[Psyonico]

4 hours ago, Hew said:

You know, at some point, I am sure the devs will find a way to drop the challenges on us everyone seems to crave, but can't find yet (short of playing something intentionally neutered), and tanks will have a more central role. At some point!

 

 

Have you tried @Linea's 801 AE Content? most of the higher difficulty ones will wipe a tank without decent (de)buffs on the team.

[Bill Z Bubba]

17 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

 

Have you tried @Linea's 801 AE Content? most of the higher difficulty ones will wipe a tank without decent (de)buffs on the team.

 

It's an eye-opener for sure. Hit AE, searched 801.2, found Linea's, set for max diff, waltzed in like I do with my Shield/Nrg Tank, commenced kicking everyone's ass, faceplanted. Thought, hmmm, that was interesting. It's doable solo but it is no walk in the park. I have to assume the .3 and up versions will just turn me into a fine red paste unless I grab amps and lean on insps, etc.

[Luminara]

6 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

turn me into a fine red paste

 

Or... Miracle Whip you.

 

😁

[ihatethewind]

2 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

It's an eye-opener for sure. Hit AE, searched 801.2, found Linea's, set for max diff, waltzed in like I do with my Shield/Nrg Tank, commenced kicking everyone's ass, faceplanted. Thought, hmmm, that was interesting. It's doable solo but it is no walk in the park. I have to assume the .3 and up versions will just turn me into a fine red paste unless I grab amps and lean on insps, etc.

I did pretty much the same thing, really it’s not too bad as long as you don’t agro more than one group. I haven’t tried higher than 801.2 yet, I’m assuming at some point though the debuffs will get cheaty enough to either kill me or make it take so long I run out of time. They are definitely a nice change of pace if people want a challenge. 
 

I still marvel that we even have AE in the game, talk about a feature ahead of its time.

[SomeGuy]

7 hours ago, Hew said:

Hi, Hew!

 

 

lol I was thinking about you just yesterday and how you're the reason why snipe builds have dominated DPS times.