Attache Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I have a vague recollection of the female character models in the early game (we're talking alpha or maybe even just some concepts) being a bit over-the-top with visible nipple. I definitely recall seeing some Countess Crey concept art that looked like it was drawn by 13-year old Robert Crumb. I even recall one of the Devs saying something like "Yeah, we had to grow up a bit" when NC Soft pushed back on the design ideas. I can't seem to (easily) find anything about it out there any more. Was this really a thing? Or am I conflating two different things? Actioneer || Aerobat || Agent Archer || Agent Dare || Amazona || Arbiter Doom || Astrowoman || Atheos || Attache || Aurgelmir || Big League || Blue Weasel || Bomber Girl || Cavalcader || Centenarian || Change Agent || Charade || Chimpanzer || Chorus Girl || Chrono King || Circlet || Cockatrice || Cogsman || Coin-Operative || Cold Spell || Countess Cataclysm || Crackdown || Death Adder || Deathwatch || Devana || Didgeridoo || Dirigible || Doctor Arioch || Doctor Asmodeus || Doctor Epoch || Doctor Typhoon || Duke Dreadsome || Executress || Eye || French Roast || Ghost Gal || Goldsmith || Hellstone || Herculon || Ifrit || Illuminoid || Iron Agent || Jen-X || Junkman || Liberta || Lord of Winter || Maera || Mime || Monument || Namtaru || Newsreel || Overman || Pakhet || Queen Cheetah || Queen Sting || Steve Saturn || Tarnation || Technoid || Teen Thunderbolt || Torch Titan || Xerelerex || Zodiax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starro Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Yes, but it was nipped in the bud 1 7 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Pineapple 🍍 Pizza 🍕 is my thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) I vaguely recall a time period where the lighting or the way lights reflected off of character models would make the female models look like they had visible nipples, but nothing quite so obvious as the OP describes. I mean, there's a male torso pattern with pierced nipples, so I doubt it was quite that severe... Edited March 29, 2023 by biostem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveTheChemist Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I started playing shortly after launch and I remember certain costume options and lighting being quite revealing to underlying female anatomy in general. I distinctly remember someone approaching a female teammate and making some lewd comments in local about it. I also recall a patch (perhaps a few months later?) where it was toned down. I need to have a dig through my old archives soon anyway so I will see if I have any old logs and/or screenshots. Popmenus > Badge List | Optimal Paths | Conversion Possibilities | Emotes Wiki Pages > Costume Color Schemes | Set Bonus Comparison Tables Maps > Vidiotmaps | Optimal Paths | Halloween GM Maps | Winter Gift Maps | Offline Map Viewer Sounds > Banshee Sonic Attack Datasets > Recipe Salvage Components | Badge Name & Settitle ID | Exploration Badge & History Plaque Coordinates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Female Tights 2 chest. No extra polygons, but the texture was there and visible with certain costume colors. Chest surgery ruined one nipple, Cryptic nerfed my diginipples, now I'm down to 1/4th the nipple potential I had. Still mad. 2 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attache Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, biostem said: I vaguely recall a time period where the lighting or the way lights reflected off of character models would make the female models look like they had visible nipples, but nothing quite so obvious as the OP describes. I mean, there's a male torso pattern with pierced nipples, so I doubt it was quite that severe... To clarify this vague recollection - it wasn't like the female character models had nipples that were just outright exposed but the costumes mostly made them appear erect and there was a very slight color shading that even suggested the size and shape of areola. It was more prominent on lighter colored costumes, of course. 1 Actioneer || Aerobat || Agent Archer || Agent Dare || Amazona || Arbiter Doom || Astrowoman || Atheos || Attache || Aurgelmir || Big League || Blue Weasel || Bomber Girl || Cavalcader || Centenarian || Change Agent || Charade || Chimpanzer || Chorus Girl || Chrono King || Circlet || Cockatrice || Cogsman || Coin-Operative || Cold Spell || Countess Cataclysm || Crackdown || Death Adder || Deathwatch || Devana || Didgeridoo || Dirigible || Doctor Arioch || Doctor Asmodeus || Doctor Epoch || Doctor Typhoon || Duke Dreadsome || Executress || Eye || French Roast || Ghost Gal || Goldsmith || Hellstone || Herculon || Ifrit || Illuminoid || Iron Agent || Jen-X || Junkman || Liberta || Lord of Winter || Maera || Mime || Monument || Namtaru || Newsreel || Overman || Pakhet || Queen Cheetah || Queen Sting || Steve Saturn || Tarnation || Technoid || Teen Thunderbolt || Torch Titan || Xerelerex || Zodiax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zep Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Are you thinking of The Secret World - I believe that game did have such a controversy. ** Asus TUF x670E Gaming, Ryzen 7950x, AIO Corsair H150i Elite, TridentZ 192GB DDR5 6400, Sapphire 7900XTX, 48" 4K Samsung 3d & 56" 4k UHD, NVME Sabrent Rocket 2TB, MP600 Pro 8tb, MP700 2 TB. HDD Seagate 12TB ** ** Corsair Voyager a1600 ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Luminara said: Female Tights 2 chest. No extra polygons, but the texture was there and visible with certain costume colors. Chest surgery ruined one nipple, Cryptic nerfed my diginipples, now I'm down to 1/4th the nipple potential I had. Still mad. Nerf regen nipples 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I mean, we got the Carnival of Shadows, which are like walking wardrobe malfunctions, so I don't think depicting scantily clad women is the issue, which is why I'm more leaning toward an earlier lighting rig making certain costume look fully nude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveDecoy Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 While I joined after the initial stuff, sometime around Issue 4 or 5, the only Costume Design Kerfluffle I remember was the first draft of Penelope Yin's grown up look. There was a whole lot more bare skin, which obviously didn't mesh with the idea of a freshly promoted teen hero. Though I've never really been a fan of Sister Psyche's outfit, what with the green nipple tape lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobbledygook Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Luminara said: Female Tights 2 chest. No extra polygons, but the texture was there and visible with certain costume colors. Chest surgery ruined one nipple, Cryptic nerfed my diginipples, now I'm down to 1/4th the nipple potential I had. Still mad. My nipple got burned off when I caught fire. It healed back though... BRB, making a Fa/Fm tank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, BraveDecoy said: Though I've never really been a fan of Sister Psyche's outfit, what with the green nipple tape lines. The real crime were those freaking platform boots. Cheater! 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attache Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 18 hours ago, Zep said: Are you thinking of The Secret World - I believe that game did have such a controversy. My memory is that it was definitely City of Heroes although my memory could be faulty. I was also under the impression that this was all pre-launch and resolved before open beta but the lighting costume issue that @biostem mentioned could have been some remnant of the original models. But mainly I recall it being CoH because of the Countess Crey character art included in the post / article that I saw ages back that discussed all this. Again, my impression was that art was actual concept art but it could just as easily been some fan art thrown in because it fit the subject matter and I just misunderstood/misremembered. Actioneer || Aerobat || Agent Archer || Agent Dare || Amazona || Arbiter Doom || Astrowoman || Atheos || Attache || Aurgelmir || Big League || Blue Weasel || Bomber Girl || Cavalcader || Centenarian || Change Agent || Charade || Chimpanzer || Chorus Girl || Chrono King || Circlet || Cockatrice || Cogsman || Coin-Operative || Cold Spell || Countess Cataclysm || Crackdown || Death Adder || Deathwatch || Devana || Didgeridoo || Dirigible || Doctor Arioch || Doctor Asmodeus || Doctor Epoch || Doctor Typhoon || Duke Dreadsome || Executress || Eye || French Roast || Ghost Gal || Goldsmith || Hellstone || Herculon || Ifrit || Illuminoid || Iron Agent || Jen-X || Junkman || Liberta || Lord of Winter || Maera || Mime || Monument || Namtaru || Newsreel || Overman || Pakhet || Queen Cheetah || Queen Sting || Steve Saturn || Tarnation || Technoid || Teen Thunderbolt || Torch Titan || Xerelerex || Zodiax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Espcially noticeable on ice-based characters On 3/29/2023 at 9:50 PM, starro said: Yes, but it was nipped in the bud Suck it up! 😎 2 The Ghost Slaying Axe. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherspectre in the room, accept no substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 On 3/29/2023 at 2:46 PM, Attache said: I definitely recall seeing some Countess Crey concept art that looked like it was drawn by 13-year old Robert Crumb. I even recall one of the Devs saying something like "Yeah, we had to grow up a bit" when NC Soft pushed back on the design ideas. *coughs* 2 ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said: *coughs* She definitely grew up. Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, Clave Dark 5 said: I want to have her babies. But I also covet her costume in its entirety. I love you Praetor Tillman 💞 2 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, High_Beam said: I love you Praetor Tillman 💞 Praetor TillMILF. 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attache Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) On 3/29/2023 at 6:51 PM, biostem said: I mean, we got the Carnival of Shadows, which are like walking wardrobe malfunctions, so I don't think depicting scantily clad women is the issue, which is why I'm more leaning toward an earlier lighting rig making certain costume look fully nude... Scantily-clad woman and men (I think painted-on bodysuits that show every ripple of musculature beneath qualify) have long been part of the superhero genre. My recollection is that the original models seemed to imply that every female character and a lot of the female AVs would have consistently been depicted with "happy" nipples and some variation of see-through on the costume, depending on the coloration. And this would have been along with the female character options generally having more skin available. While it is far from unheard of in superhero comics art, having "happy" be the default female option may have just been seen as a bit too much. It wouldn't be the first time that the powers that be zeroed in on one (well, two) things to have an issue with while hypocritically ignoring scores of others. That seems to be humanity's default setting. Assuming of course, this wasn't some fevered dream I had. The internet is supposed to be forever so I'm surprised I can't even find the Countess Crey picture. Edited March 31, 2023 by Attache 1 Actioneer || Aerobat || Agent Archer || Agent Dare || Amazona || Arbiter Doom || Astrowoman || Atheos || Attache || Aurgelmir || Big League || Blue Weasel || Bomber Girl || Cavalcader || Centenarian || Change Agent || Charade || Chimpanzer || Chorus Girl || Chrono King || Circlet || Cockatrice || Cogsman || Coin-Operative || Cold Spell || Countess Cataclysm || Crackdown || Death Adder || Deathwatch || Devana || Didgeridoo || Dirigible || Doctor Arioch || Doctor Asmodeus || Doctor Epoch || Doctor Typhoon || Duke Dreadsome || Executress || Eye || French Roast || Ghost Gal || Goldsmith || Hellstone || Herculon || Ifrit || Illuminoid || Iron Agent || Jen-X || Junkman || Liberta || Lord of Winter || Maera || Mime || Monument || Namtaru || Newsreel || Overman || Pakhet || Queen Cheetah || Queen Sting || Steve Saturn || Tarnation || Technoid || Teen Thunderbolt || Torch Titan || Xerelerex || Zodiax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Luminara said: Praetor TillMILF. Well she is also called Mother Mayhem so totally . . . now I am even more tingly. You make me think naughty thoughts Lum. 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, Attache said: Assuming of course, this wasn't some fevered dream I had. The internet is supposed to be forever so I'm surprised I can't even find the Countess Crey picture. I liked Countess Crey the first time I saw her . . . when she was the Baroness and she was yelling Cobra! 2 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Luminara said: Praetor TillMILF. If all the female signature heroines were laid end to end, nobody would be at all surprised! 3 The Ghost Slaying Axe. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherspectre in the room, accept no substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidge Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 A balcony suitable for delivering Shakespeare! 5 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said: *coughs* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 9:27 PM, tidge said: A balcony suitable for delivering Shakespeare! You've made a happy man very old The Ghost Slaying Axe. The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherspectre in the room, accept no substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 9:00 AM, Luminara said: Praetor TillMILF. In the cutscene for the BAF trial, it looks as if she's been hitting the doughnuts a little hard; you can almost hear the creaking of her outfit as the seams strain not to let go... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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