Natti Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If multiple Team members all have maneuvers does it stack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machariel Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It sure does! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natti Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Thank you 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJDrakken Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 All powers from different sources stack with other sources. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverdusk Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, JJDrakken said: All powers from different sources stack with other sources. Except for Vengeance, unless you're nemesis and get to cheat. Edited June 3, 2020 by Riverdusk 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 hours ago, JJDrakken said: All powers from different sources stack with other sources. In general, a safe concept to go with. There are some exceptions: most IOs that cause a -Res debuff do not stack from different sources. I'm not sure about other types of debuffing like -ToHit or -Recovery from the IOs. Incarnate Interface (not that the OP is close to that now) stack up to a limited amount (I think 4 or 5 stacks for most debuffs). The Sentinel inherent does not stack. I don't recall other examples, but I would be surprised if there aren't others that I'm forgetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Mass Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Coyote said: In general, a safe concept to go with. There are some exceptions: most IOs that cause a -Res debuff do not stack from different sources. I'm not sure about other types of debuffing like -ToHit or -Recovery from the IOs. Incarnate Interface (not that the OP is close to that now) stack up to a limited amount (I think 4 or 5 stacks for most debuffs). The Sentinel inherent does not stack. I don't recall other examples, but I would be surprised if there aren't others that I'm forgetting. Tanker Bruising (now gone) didn't stack as well. But most buffs & debuffs in CoX stack. That is really one of the defining differences between this game & most others - that & the fact that most buffs & debuffs aren't so miniscule as to almost not matter at all. And with stacking, even small buffs & debuffs can add up to something quite significant. This is City of Buffers/Debuffers - & I am happy to be in it! 😎 1 Keep Redside - & Goldside - Alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrider_01 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Only stacking that is really reliable is the bodies by the door; before going to the hospital jail. "Farming is just more fun in my opinion, beating up hordes of angry cosplayers...." - Coyotedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlynne Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Coyote said: There are some exceptions: most IOs that cause a -Res debuff do not stack from different sources. Actually, that's incorrect (technically). What's happening with those is that IO proc is causing the $Target to cast the effect onto themself which is why it doesn't stack from PCs. If more than one of those IOs (of the same kind) proc then it causes the $Target to recast the effect onto themself, which then runs afoul of the "does not stack from same caster" rule which is why the effect "overwrites" to extend the duration rather than stacking so that you've 2x the effect for a portion of the duration. So the rule is still good. You just have to understand that for some effects it's not YOU casting the effect upon them for a debuff, but rather THEM being forced to cast the effect upon themselves(!) for the debuff ... and that the "does not stack from same caster" rule still applies. 1 hour ago, Mister Mass said: Tanker Bruising (now gone) didn't stack as well. That's because Tanker Bruising (now removed) operated using the same "force them to cast the debuff on themselves" programming to enforce the effect. 1 2 Verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwitchFade Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Riverdusk said: Except for Vengeance, unless you're nemesis and get to cheat. All fear the Nemesis Veng! Also, stacking is a Nemesis plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Redlynne said: Actually, that's incorrect (technically). What's happening with those is that IO proc is causing the $Target to cast the effect onto themself which is why it doesn't stack from PCs. If more than one of those IOs (of the same kind) proc then it causes the $Target to recast the effect onto themself, which then runs afoul of the "does not stack from same caster" rule which is why the effect "overwrites" to extend the duration rather than stacking so that you've 2x the effect for a portion of the duration. Are you sure this is still the case? I know this is how it was originally implemented, but I thought I read something on the forums here about some effects like Brusing and Achilles Heel having been "fixed" so that they're no longer using the kludgy "grantself power" ability. And I recall testing after reading that, and seeing that the Achilles Heel debuff was 18% on a +1 target... if the target were casting it upon themselves, then the level shouldn't matter and it should always be a 20% debuff. So, seeing the decreased debuff made me think that I understood correctly, and that the powers are now treated as being cast by the user rather than by the target, but somehow prevented from being stacked from different sources. I recall finding it annoying because it meant that slotting AH into Mercenaries would have a very diminished effect upon most targets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Natti said: If multiple Team members all have maneuvers does it stack? Maneuvers, Assault and Tactics all stack. And teams that start doing this get all sorts of powerful even if it's just made up of AT's that get the lowest buff benefits from them, such as 8 Scrappers. The only one I'm not sure about is Victory Rush. No personal experience and can't go in game or to Mids' currently, but I'm sure someone will pop in and say Y/N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironblade Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Natti said: If multiple Team members all have maneuvers does it stack? Not only does Maneuvers (and all the leadership toggles) stack, the team toggles that Arachnos Soldiers get also stack. So they can have those toggles PLUS the Leadership toggles. 10 hours ago, Riverdusk said: Except for Vengeance, unless you're nemesis and get to cheat. It's possible to stack Vengeance, but not reliably. You need to be on voice chat to synchronize and be accurate enough to land both between 'server ticks'. Originally on Infinity. I have Ironblade on every shard. - My only AE arc: The Origin of Mark IV (ID 48002) Link to the story of Toggle Man, since I keep having to track down my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ironblade said: Not only does Maneuvers (and all the leadership toggles) stack, the team toggles that Arachnos Soldiers get also stack. So they can have those toggles PLUS the Leadership toggles. It's possible to stack Vengeance, but not reliably. You need to be on voice chat to synchronize and be accurate enough to land both between 'server ticks'. This. Though it's not intended to work that way. Vengeance stacking not Veats toggles that is 😁. Bit like how GM (a team of all Empathy defenders) would prevent (often not always) toggle dropping of their Leadership toggles when Nukes weren't crashless. Stack so much recovery their end never bottomed out. Edit: Technically I think it would but we'd get a tic or more of end back before the toggle would check/pay its end cost so the toggle cost would get paid and no drop. Edited June 3, 2020 by Doomguide2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlynne Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Coyote said: Are you sure this is still the case? Pretty sure. If you have doubts ... there's always the test server and Target Analyzers. 26 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said: The only one I'm not sure about is Victory Rush. Good thing we've got an answer! On 12/15/2019 at 12:31 PM, siolfir said: For once, the in-game numbers are useful, though - the order, in increasing strength is: Underlings, turrets: +5% recovery, 2.5% endurance discount Minions: +10% recovery, 5% endurance discount Lieutenants: +30% recovery, 15% endurance discount Bosses: +60% recovery, +30% endurance discount Elite Bosses: +80% recovery, +40% endurance discount AVs/GMs: +100% recovery, +50% endurance discount All of the buffs last for 2 minutes, and only the recovery portion is enhanceable. 1 Verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopper Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Redlynne said: Pretty sure. If you have doubts ... there's always the test server and Target Analyzers. No need, I've already tested this in the past. The purple patch applies to the "only stack once" debuff procs. What Coyote said is correct. This also happened with Bruising, where it made it a headache when Tankers with different level shifts would update the Bruising of the target by applying their purple patch. So you'd have oscillations of the resistance debuff. PPM Information Guide Survivability Tool Interface DoT Procs Guide Time Manipulation Guide Bopper Builds +HP/+Regen Proc Cheat Sheet Super Pack Drop Percentages Recharge Guide Base Empowerment: Temp Powers Bopper's Tools & Formulas Mids' Reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverdusk Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bopper said: No need, I've already tested this in the past. The purple patch applies to the "only stack once" debuff procs. What Coyote said is correct. This also happened with Bruising, where it made it a headache when Tankers with different level shifts would update the Bruising of the target by applying their purple patch. So you'd have oscillations of the resistance debuff. Did you happen to test the interface procs as well? Like for example the tohit debuff and -regen of diamagnetic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTeague Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Once you've seen a team with 6+ stacks of leadership toggles, it gets real hard not to take them on every character. Although mass-stacking of Manuevers, Assault, and Tactics *does* require people to stay more or less close to each other vs running every which way. 1 Roster: MTeague's characters: The Good, The Bad, and The Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patti Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Don't you also cap stuff out at a point if the whole team is leader toggling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopper Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, Riverdusk said: Did you happen to test the interface procs as well? Like for example the tohit debuff and -regen of diamagnetic? I've dabbled...yes Can you be more specific on what you're wanting to know? Is it in regards to purple patch, max stacks, something else? PPM Information Guide Survivability Tool Interface DoT Procs Guide Time Manipulation Guide Bopper Builds +HP/+Regen Proc Cheat Sheet Super Pack Drop Percentages Recharge Guide Base Empowerment: Temp Powers Bopper's Tools & Formulas Mids' Reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrider_01 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Redlynne said: it's not YOU casting the effect upon them for a debuff, but rather THEM being forced to cast the effect upon themselves Nemesis plot. Always a Nemesis plot. "Farming is just more fun in my opinion, beating up hordes of angry cosplayers...." - Coyotedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyonico Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Coyote said: The Sentinel inherent does not stack. There is an in game tip that says otherwise. What this team needs is more Defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverdusk Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Bopper said: I've dabbled...yes Can you be more specific on what you're wanting to know? Is it in regards to purple patch, max stacks, something else? Purple patch. I heard the "self cast" thing before so was thinking effectiveness of interface debuffs were not affected by level differences, but now it sounds like perhaps everything is. Would make the small -15% regen you get for each stack of diamagnetic even more tiny against the AV's you actually need it for if it is reduced by level difference as well. Easy enough to test for myself, but if you happened to already have done so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopper Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Riverdusk said: Purple patch. I heard the "self cast" thing before so was thinking effectiveness of interface debuffs were not affected by level differences, but now it sounds like perhaps everything is. Would make the small -15% regen you get for each stack of diamagnetic even more tiny against the AV's you actually need it for if it is reduced by level difference as well. Easy enough to test for myself, but if you happened to already have done so... Haven't, but I can look PPM Information Guide Survivability Tool Interface DoT Procs Guide Time Manipulation Guide Bopper Builds +HP/+Regen Proc Cheat Sheet Super Pack Drop Percentages Recharge Guide Base Empowerment: Temp Powers Bopper's Tools & Formulas Mids' Reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bopper Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Riverdusk said: Purple patch. I heard the "self cast" thing before so was thinking effectiveness of interface debuffs were not affected by level differences, but now it sounds like perhaps everything is. Would make the small -15% regen you get for each stack of diamagnetic even more tiny against the AV's you actually need it for if it is reduced by level difference as well. Easy enough to test for myself, but if you happened to already have done so... Tested Diamagnetic, it follows the purple patch. Tested against +0 enemy, saw 5% To Hit Debuff. Tested against +3 enemy, say 3.25% To Hit Debuff (65% strength) Update: Also tested Degenerative. -3.5% Max HP on +0, -2.275% Max HP on +3 (65% strength) Edited June 4, 2020 by Bopper 1 PPM Information Guide Survivability Tool Interface DoT Procs Guide Time Manipulation Guide Bopper Builds +HP/+Regen Proc Cheat Sheet Super Pack Drop Percentages Recharge Guide Base Empowerment: Temp Powers Bopper's Tools & Formulas Mids' Reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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