Spotlore Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jimmy said: That's quite something. Do you know what would be a real shame? If tons of people clicked that paid ad. (cough) A real shame indeed. (edit: gotta turn your adblock off!) Afraid to click anything, I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Council Jimmy Posted September 20, 2019 City Council Share Posted September 20, 2019 It's a paid ad. It costs them money every time someone clicks on it 🙂 2 2 Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Council Cipher Posted September 20, 2019 Author City Council Share Posted September 20, 2019 Another 7 accounts have been permanently banned.. Wonder how many times it'll take for them to give up? 😛 4 2 2 If you need help, please submit a support request here or use /petition in-game. Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzapp Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Cipher said: Another 7 accounts have been permanently banned.. Wonder how many times it'll take for them to give up? 😛 Probably as long as they have email accounts and a VPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateMercenary Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 This are likely East Asian inmates being forced to grind so guards can get side money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 hours ago, jubakumbi said: I agree the ecosystem that usually accompanies RWT for MMOs is a bad thing. However, IMO, that does not make the idea of purchasing content pointless or in any other way logically or morally wrong. It simply means that there are different ways to fund new content. I do, will, and would HAPPILY give my money to anyone producing costumes, content, etc. for a game I like, they have bills to pay. I bought everything from CoH back in the day just for this reason. I throw money at good games all the time, happy to do so. Funding a game and RMT are two separate issues, even if they touch on each other. I switched to Store-bought Enhancements (SBOs, what we call “Attuned” now) the moment that they were available in the store and never looked back. Drops were just giveaways until Sunset. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boggo2300 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 11 hours ago, jubakumbi said: IMO, mutually exclusive is a bit extreme but I see your point. To me, it just means some level of restrictions to insure an equal playing field have to be added. ANYONE trying to re-impose restrictions on the finally awesome base building 1 Mayhem It's my Oeuvre baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boggo2300 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Jimmy said: That's quite something. Do you know what would be a real shame? If tons of people clicked that paid ad. (cough) A real shame indeed. (edit: gotta turn your adblock off!) Thats red-side speak!! (I've just gone a clicking...) Mayhem It's my Oeuvre baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaVileTerror Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 What shocks me, most of all, in all of this . . . is that: Cipher didn't win the Gold for Reputation on the 18th! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likara Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Ok, I'm on board for stopping RWT, but the "no chance for appeal" raises SO MANY red flags. Sorry, but whatever system you have in place, you're still human, and humans make mistakes. Having a "no appeal" policy for RWT sellers means eventually you're gonna ban someone innocent, and that someone is going to permanently lose their account with no possible recourse, something I'm WHOLLY opposed to, and always will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorSteele Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) Is there a way to complain to their vendor (Shopify) so they don't get paid? Or is that the kind of website that would be complicit in this sort of thing? Also, Ritikesh: Maybe they're just saying that to sound tough. I'm pretty sure they'd give the benefit of the doubt to a forum user with posts and karma and multiple low level alts and all that. There is probably a VERY clear distinction between how RMT/RWT guys operate, and how, well, actual players operate. Even those who don't use the forums or have a lot of alts. That said... if these people reach the point where they're hacking accounts, then there does need to be an appeal process. Edited September 21, 2019 by EmperorSteele Added to reply to Rit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Council Jimmy Posted September 21, 2019 City Council Share Posted September 21, 2019 Shopify technically aren’t the vendor. It’s not like eBay where they are acting as a legal intermediary, with Shopify all they are doing is providing the software and hosting. That’s not to say they won’t intervene, but I find it highly unlikely. Got time to spare? Want to see Homecoming thrive? Consider volunteering as a Game Master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synfoola Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I didn't even know this was happening here. 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Game Master GM Capocollo Posted September 21, 2019 Retired Game Master Share Posted September 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Ritikesh said: Ok, I'm on board for stopping RWT, but the "no chance for appeal" raises SO MANY red flags. Sorry, but whatever system you have in place, you're still human, and humans make mistakes. Having a "no appeal" policy for RWT sellers means eventually you're gonna ban someone innocent, and that someone is going to permanently lose their account with no possible recourse, something I'm WHOLLY opposed to, and always will be. The no-appeal bans that are being handed out aren't being handed out lightly. They are not applied automatically or based on mere suspicion. To not make it easier for potential RWT/RMT accounts to disguise their activity, I don't want to go into the exact clues we're monitoring for, but we're confident in saying that it would be impossible for a typical player engaging in typical play to get near any of the thresholds for suspicious behavior, much less cross multiple ones and get banned for it. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LQT Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 On 9/19/2019 at 12:18 PM, Clave Dark 5 said: Ah, this is bringing back memories... back when I first started playing, say around issue 6? for the first couple of years, some gold seller was always standing around the black market on Cap. I always took pleasure in reporting them and even sometimes went over to grief them in person visually or by standing there and telling them I'd reported them. What?! I was a villain, after all. At least issue 13. Auction House didn't exist in CoX before then. 1 If you set a man a flame, you keep him warm for a day. If you set a man aflame, you keep him warm for the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starro Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I hope the Homecoming Team can also find the people responsible for all the Ray-Ban sunglasses spam I get on Facebook. if you could possibly punch those people I would appreciate it. 2 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Pineapple 🍍 Pizza 🍕 is my thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likara Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 12 hours ago, EmperorSteele said: Is there a way to complain to their vendor (Shopify) so they don't get paid? Or is that the kind of website that would be complicit in this sort of thing? Also, Ritikesh: Maybe they're just saying that to sound tough. I'm pretty sure they'd give the benefit of the doubt to a forum user with posts and karma and multiple low level alts and all that. There is probably a VERY clear distinction between how RMT/RWT guys operate, and how, well, actual players operate. Even those who don't use the forums or have a lot of alts. That said... if these people reach the point where they're hacking accounts, then there does need to be an appeal process. The last part is ANOTHER reason no-appeal bans should NOT be a thing. Sorry, I simply DO NOT care how good you think your process is, at all, or how unlikely you believe normal play could get to the metrics you're looking for. I've seen too many games with "no-appeal" bans that have screwed over legitimate players who aren't breaking the rules, to EVER trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 6:44 PM, Puma said: I do have one concern about this: When I first got here friends gave me a good chunk of influence to get going. Ive offered to do the same for others. Heck, I even talked to someone about starting a channel specifically so farmers like myself could help new players get their first inf building account going strong called "Kickstarter" channel, but decided I didnt have time to devote to it right now. I just want to make sure your detection method is more complex than "party x gave party Y a bunch of money in a trade for nothing" so good will stuff like that doesn't get scooped up. I assume it includes looking at chat logs, etc. If not, it should. Just my 2 cents. I agree, I hope there is more than just someone giving some one else some inf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/19/2019 at 6:32 AM, quixoteprog said: I can understand how someone would be willing to sell inf. or some in game item for real money. What's not to like about getting paid for doing something you find fun, like playing a game. What I DON'T understand is how someone would be willing to PAY for such stuff. If you don't enjoy the game enough to get the item through playing the game then, play another game. I have known someone playing wow that bought gold all the time. He was a RW lawyer and dint want to spend time grinding for gold. His time was worth a LOT more than what he spent with gold sellers. He had a separate credit card he used just for this purpose and never had a problem. He felt that it didnt effect the economy of the game because he was transferring already existing gold to himself from another character. it didnt creat gold out of nothing. right or wrong, that was his logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Game Master GM Capocollo Posted September 22, 2019 Retired Game Master Share Posted September 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said: I agree, I hope there is more than just someone giving some one else some inf There absolutely is. Everyone on the Homecoming Team is a player themselves, too, and we understand how players play the game. Giving gifts to other players is perfectly normal, and definitely not the behavior that we're scrutinizing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, GM Capocollo said: There absolutely is. Everyone on the Homecoming Team is a player themselves, too, and we understand how players play the game. Giving gifts to other players is perfectly normal, and definitely not the behavior that we're scrutinizing. then I am a happy camper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 7 hours ago, LQT said: At least issue 13. Auction House didn't exist in CoX before then. Fair point. It probably would have been shortly after it was introduced then. Tim "Black Scorpion" Sweeney: Matt (Posi) used to say that players would find the shortest path to the rewards even if it was a completely terrible play experience that would push them away from the game... ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyhawke Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 Sky-Hawke: Rad/WP Brute Alts galore. So...soooo many alts. Originally Pinnacle Server, then Indomitable and now Excelsior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ananke Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 6:44 PM, Puma said: I do have one concern about this: When I first got here friends gave me a good chunk of influence to get going. Ive offered to do the same for others. Heck, I even talked to someone about starting a channel specifically so farmers like myself could help new players get their first inf building account going strong called "Kickstarter" channel, but decided I didnt have time to devote to it right now. I just want to make sure your detection method is more complex than "party x gave party Y a bunch of money in a trade for nothing" so good will stuff like that doesn't get scooped up. I assume it includes looking at chat logs, etc. If not, it should. Just my 2 cents. There seems to be way more to it than that, which I can say because I've dished out 2-3bil to friends and have never had an issue. Thing is that we have actual, legitimate accounts: we have conversations, people on our friends list, SGs, etc. If an account NEVER interacts with others in any real way and is doing 10 hour farming sessions then giving piles of money to someone they've never interacted with, it's fairly easy to red flag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahliah Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 6:44 PM, Puma said: I do have one concern about this: When I first got here friends gave me a good chunk of influence to get going. Ive offered to do the same for others. Heck, I even talked to someone about starting a channel specifically so farmers like myself could help new players get their first inf building account going strong called "Kickstarter" channel, but decided I didnt have time to devote to it right now. I just want to make sure your detection method is more complex than "party x gave party Y a bunch of money in a trade for nothing" so good will stuff like that doesn't get scooped up. I assume it includes looking at chat logs, etc. If not, it should. Just my 2 cents. A lot of us give inf to new players for nothing, and that is not the problem. TPTB can (presumably) see in our chats that we are responding to someone in Help who is freaked out that they can't afford to buy enh for their toons, for example, and can see us send tells saying we're happy to help out and asking where they are so we can go give them a little starter boost of inf. This has been going on since forever on COH/X, and anyone starting out who, like myself, once received a welcome few million from a kind stranger is happy to pay it forward when the opportunity arises. That's not real world trading; that's just being a good City-zen. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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