naraganeun Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just tried a bots/time MM and it ran through arachnos, CoT and council at +4/x8. Loving this change, no more brawling bots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarySai Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Quirks related to demons aside, this is absolutely huge for bot masterminds, and I want it badly. To echo Micro's post, warshade essences may need a bit of a look too, as they still tend to divebomb into deathzones. Granted, it's not as bad as it used to be, but still. Edited December 9, 2019 by ScarySai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esotericist Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I don't currently have a working install of homecoming (Recently moved to a new computer and getting it working in linux required more thinking than I had at the time), but I think I'll have to fix that when this goes live. My Mercs/Time was languishing, but this could help a lot. I do agree with others that the demons should probably not be considered "ranged only"; they are clearly designed to move as a group, and clearly are all meant to rely on melee damage more than the pets in sets like Bots or Mercs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 *vibrates in place* Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? 2 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razia Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 This is nice, is there a plan for Controller pets too? I really like my Phantasm to stay in range if poosible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Razia said: This is nice, is there a plan for Controller pets too? I really like my Phantasm to stay in range if poosible. Echo this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarySai Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Coyote said: Echo this. Do leave the singularity as a melee pet, though. I rather like it acting as a living bonfire. Edited December 10, 2019 by ScarySai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowrex Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Are there any plans to adjust MM henchman? Levels, powers, etc? Fingers crossed my Mercenaries can get some love 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ScarySai said: Do leave the singularity as a melee pet, though. I rather like it acting as a living bonfire. This. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Cure Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Ooh damn! Good job guys! So glad you all got that messy code figured out! Totally amazing to have bots etc STAND still and attack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) *vibrates harder* Are we there yet!?! Edited December 11, 2019 by Sovera 1 1 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Sovera said: *vibrates harder* Are we there yet!?! Sorry that the Tanker changes are going to put this back a bit from going live. Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Myrmidon said: Sorry that the Tanker changes are going to put this back a bit from going live. My memories of playing a Bot/Dark from live were spoiled when I returned to Homecoming and went eeeeeh, I no longer have the patience to resummon all the time, then upgrade and etc (and this with AoE upgrades). This change would certain spark my interest in the AT again. Want! 2 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sovera said: My memories of playing a Bot/Dark from live were spoiled when I returned to Homecoming and went eeeeeh, I no longer have the patience to resummon all the time, then upgrade and etc (and this with AoE upgrades). This change would certain spark my interest in the AT again. Want! It’s definitely going to bring my Mastermind back to life. 1 Playing CoX is it’s own reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy Brain Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Bot/Trap is gonna be lit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Guys, the trick is not to generate 20+ pages of back and forth controversy. We sing praises for the changes and then ask nicely if they can't be made separate from the tank changes so we can have the MM stuff earlier. 1 3 - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metacore Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Seems like there is a variety of requests for certain pets to stay in melee vs ranged. Could there be a per Pet flag, in the Pet window, that the user sets to indicate THEIR preference? This would need to be remembered when re-summoned. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3z Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, metacore said: Seems like there is a variety of requests for certain pets to stay in melee vs ranged. Could there be a per Pet flag, in the Pet window, that the user sets to indicate THEIR preference? This would need to be remembered when re-summoned. Yes this would be great! There are certain pets (knights/bruiser) who I never want to fight at ranged EVER. 1 Youtube | Twitch | PvP Council Indomitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noyjitat Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Oh are we improving pets huh? I always play a tank master mind set to defense so the melee issue haven't been a problem for me but this should make aggressive more useful. I have to say the only mm pets I think needed love was the ninjas. Either need a food pill (thinking naruto sorry) that heals them or a defensive toggle like thugs get. As for other pets I'd like the following considered someday: Revert the pet rank nerf. You probably don't remember this but at one point recharge pets and special pets like those of the vanguard pets were not pet rank. Meaning boss, minion, etc... Arachnos soldiers call reinforcements pets were originally boss class and are presently pet class. This significantly reduced the damage and survival of these pets. Villain patron pets were lieutenants now pet class. Vanguard HVAS was an elite boss pet and now at pet rank. And still 250 vg merits, slow as hell and yeah dies just as fast. Especially with all the aoes he has to attract attention. These and all other pets were nerfed down to pet class shortly after Liberty ran a 5 minute hamiraid on live pre incarnate trials with tons of pets. Guess the devs wanted to spank everyone... Edited December 12, 2019 by Noyjitat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 As someone who's so far leveled up two MMs (of five 50s total), this sound phenomenal. Both times, once I hit that magical land of 50, I was also hitting that wall of "I'm sick of wrangling pets! I just wanna go out and shoot something my own damn self now!" Neither of my 50th MMs have seen one jot of Incarnate anything, Alpha slots nor trials. This maybe be subject to change now. 1 Tim "Black Scorpion" Sweeney: Matt (Posi) used to say that players would find the shortest path to the rewards even if it was a completely terrible play experience that would push them away from the game... ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quixoteprog Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It would be nice to have this apply to the Illusion Phantasm pet as well. I don't think it even HAS a melee attack but after one or two attacks it will run into melee range in almost every fight. With all the AoE attacks damaging auras it would probably die in every fight if it were not for phantom army and its own illusionary decoy. As it stands it dies way more than it should. And if these changes could not be easily ported over to non-MM pets then just have Phantasm use the same AI that Singularity uses. THAT pet rarely enters melee range at all even though it is almost indestructible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Shell Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 So I finally got a chance to test Demons. Ember Demon/Demonlings are not fighting at what I would consider to be ranged. They would engage only a few steps away from an enemy. I believe it had to do with this. On 12/8/2019 at 10:46 PM, Captain Powerhouse said: The AI never uses cones from max range, it uses always tries to use them from half cone max range. I think that’s a bit drastic, and 2/3 might be better, but 1/2 is what it is at the moment. So, they're mid-ranged. They still stay relatively close by. It was different, but it felt alright. They tend to be further apart, so they get hit with cones/AoEs less. And that's probably the point. Kinetics are probably going to need to force them into melee for FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy Brain Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 If we're talking MM stuff, there is also a thread here: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erydanus Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 12/8/2019 at 5:10 AM, monos1 said: I don't know... I practically exclusively play masterminds and I can farm and solo AVs once I'm IO'd out and such. And in PvP certain builds of MM are nigh unstoppable too. If you could give some considerable suggestions I could probably see more your way, as the pets are pretty squishy generally; I'm definitely in favor of them being at least the same level as the summoner. But other improvements seem like they might quickly make MMs unmanageably powerful. Ok but the thing is, you CAN NOT balance a game around a top player's performance. You can not. If you do that, then average and even bad players will be performing poorly or outright non-functional. That's why anytime any comment along the lines of "X is not a problem for me because I'm able to do this complicated/expensive thing and work around it" is made, it needs to be ignored as the outlier it is. If changes made to MMs make them more playable by the masses but overpower a handful of top PVPers and Farmers, that's just the breaks. There's always going to be some top players of every type of character who has the best tuned super optimized solo AVs builds and then there's going to be good players with time and money, good players with only time or money, decent players with money, decent players with time but no money, average players with money, all the way down to people who can't understand the basic controls, etc. The main point should be most people are able to play the character type/powerset and have a good (fun) experience. 5 3 See me on Excelsior as Eridanus - Whisperkill - Kid Physics - Ranger Wilde - The Hometown Scrapper - Firewatch - and more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovera Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 *vibrates* - Simple guide for newcomers. - Money making included among other things. - Tanker Fire Armor: the Turtle, the Allrounder, the Dragon, and compilation of Fire Armor builds. - Tanker Stone Armor: beginner friendly (near) immortal Tanker for leveling/end-game and Stone Armor framework. - Brute Rad/Stone and compilation of Brute Stone Armor builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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