BazookaTwo Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I seriously don't understand all the fuss about cones. I like cones. Cones in a build tell me "add range." and then "psst add some more range, go ahead, be a range junkie" Big wide open cones means not having to worry so much about lining them up, I think. You can cue a lot of cones while kiting, and you jump past the mob, turn around, and the cone seems lined up fine. Kangaroo Cone action also works.... Jump up and cone, and hit more. Jump back and fire a cone, jump back in and fire a cone, all good. So what's the hard part I'm not seeing here? Do most players prefer to stand in one place and be a gun turret, or what? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, BazookaTwo said: So what's the hard part I'm not seeing here? It requires a little more thought about your positioning, and some people just want to point and click. Frankly, they don't bother me one bit, and I do in fact slot range enhancers, even going so far as to pick incarnates with even more range! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazookaTwo Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 If cones didn't require locking onto a target, say like the way caltrops work, I could totally see it, but you can bind your way out of target-ring hell too. Conversely, I do hate those targeting rings. Now I am wondering what I could build that uses as many of them as possible....🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snarky Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I like cones. But it was a looooong time learning to like them starting with Shadow Maul Now my favorite Blasters have 4-6 cones. The Corruptor I am in has 4. Only one is a true damage cone. But the fear cone? Gold. Errrr Black Gold! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnerd Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Cones are great. Targeted cones are even better. But I get the frustration some have with them. Especially melee cones. You've got five or six nice fat targets all lined up, and juuuuuust as you hit the attack, they all shift ever-so-slightly to the right and now only one of them is in the area of effect (which happens approximately 97.945% percent of the time according to my exhaustive and rigorous testing)... but because it's an attack that could theoretically hit multiple targets at once, it's balanced for that in terms of either increased animation time, a raised endurance cost, lower damage, or some combination of the three. The end result is that you've got a slow, expensive, weak, single-target attack. Edited February 5 by Mjolnerd 1 2 Formerly of Virtue, now on Excelsior: Ace of Spades | Adamant Eve | Arch-Rival | The Bee | Blackbelt | Citizen Arcane | Core | Ctrl Alt Defeat | Daddy Longlegs | Diamant | Freak Accident | Galactrix | Great White Shark Heavy Machinery | Highway Star | The Howl | Ion Maiden | Knockout Artist | Krakatoa | Night's Templar | The Pact | Paroled McDonald | Virtual Boy | Volcaniac | White Widow | Yucatan And my most recent 50, Inter-Galactica (Gravity Control/Energy Assault dominator, 28 May 2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 28 minutes ago, Snarky said: Gold. Errrr Black Gold! Texas T? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCU7115 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Got nothing but love for the cones 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertanker Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fabulous Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Melee cones are a PITA, but otherwise cones are fine. The only implementation that irks me is Darkness Control. Cones + PbAoEs means a lot of bouncing around, making it easy to miss critters in the cones. I find it an annoying set to play because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 21 minutes ago, Captain Fabulous said: Melee cones are a PITA, but otherwise cones are fine. The only implementation that irks me is Darkness Control. Cones + PbAoEs means a lot of bouncing around, making it easy to miss critters in the cones. I find it an annoying set to play because of this. Jousting is the key. In and out if combat. I prefer fly, which also fits thematically. I understand some are really good at teleporting. The real key is knowing what your cone will hit before you fire it. That comes from a ton of practice and a prayer to the underworld your primary target doesnt blip 30 feet away and screw your AoE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clave Dark 5 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Yeah, pretty sure it's melee vs. cones here. I have a Time Corr and what with Time's Juncture, you want to be in melee! But then I paired it with Sonic, which you want to be something at range for the cones. I can see that would annoy some folk. I don't mind running back in and out of melee range for this stuff. 1 _____________________________ Hi, I'm Clave Dark 5! You may remember me from such characters as King Pumpkin Spice, Stupid Like A Fox, Capt Sam's Space Zoo, The Pink Bamfer, Trash Ghost, Maid Of Metal... as well as a few really stupid AE arcs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonSheep Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 hours ago, biostem said: It requires a little more thought about your positioning, and some people just want to point and click. Frankly, they don't bother me one bit, and I do in fact slot range enhancers, even going so far as to pick incarnates with even more range! i think also it’s the frustration of being in a big mob, doing your best to line up a melee cone and then hitting… one… enemy the rage is strong and lasting 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 The best cones are ice cream cones - with sprinkles 1 3 I've looked all over the Periodic Table and I still can't find the element of Surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Monkey Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On my main blaster, I actually really like the playstyle of always staying in position to line up my cone for greatest effectiveness. I also am simultaneously side stepping and staying out of melee. It's like a dance. Overtime you find yourself moving the enemies as much as they're moving you. It's both entrancing and effective. That said, on my toons that use a PBAoE or melee attacks, it's annoying to constantly hop out of the spawn to line up the cone, and the cone quickly becomes the least favored attack. 2 1 Active on Excelsior: Prismatic Monkey - Seismic / Martial Blaster, Storm Dragon Monkey - Electric / Dual Blades Tank, Gadget Hunter Monkey - Dual Wield / Traps Corruptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starro Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Sadly this is my upcoming summer commute 1 1 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 39 minutes ago, starro said: Sadly this is my upcoming summer commute Starro…if you hadn’t destroyed the town they wouldn’t need to rebuild it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starro Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 37 minutes ago, Snarky said: Starro…if you hadn’t destroyed the town they wouldn’t need to rebuild it I destroy whole planets. Destroying Towns is just a hobby. 2 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fabulous Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 53 minutes ago, starro said: I destroy whole planets. Destroying Towns is just a hobby. Everyone needs a snack now and again, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scarlet Shocker Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Surely urban destruction is... inconesequential /em getcoat 1 I've looked all over the Periodic Table and I still can't find the element of Surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Pew pew, mofos. Pew pew. 4 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Solid cone memes in this thread, this community has great humor. 1 Check out my zone tour of Pocket D! / A chronology of "the talks" between HC and NC / Buckets of Lore! / Winter Event Badges! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAxe Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just be careful a drunk mob doesn't come along and steal your cone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougGraves Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I like cones because they rely on player skill. I tend to prefer a playstyle that requires me to be skilled rather than one that uses character power to make up for my lack of skill. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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