BazookaTwo Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 I seriously don't understand all the fuss about cones. I like cones. Cones in a build tell me "add range." and then "psst add some more range, go ahead, be a range junkie" Big wide open cones means not having to worry so much about lining them up, I think. You can cue a lot of cones while kiting, and you jump past the mob, turn around, and the cone seems lined up fine. Kangaroo Cone action also works.... Jump up and cone, and hit more. Jump back and fire a cone, jump back in and fire a cone, all good. So what's the hard part I'm not seeing here? Do most players prefer to stand in one place and be a gun turret, or what? 2
biostem Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, BazookaTwo said: So what's the hard part I'm not seeing here? It requires a little more thought about your positioning, and some people just want to point and click. Frankly, they don't bother me one bit, and I do in fact slot range enhancers, even going so far as to pick incarnates with even more range! 4
BazookaTwo Posted February 5, 2023 Author Posted February 5, 2023 If cones didn't require locking onto a target, say like the way caltrops work, I could totally see it, but you can bind your way out of target-ring hell too. Conversely, I do hate those targeting rings. Now I am wondering what I could build that uses as many of them as possible....🤔
Snarky Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 I like cones. But it was a looooong time learning to like them starting with Shadow Maul Now my favorite Blasters have 4-6 cones. The Corruptor I am in has 4. Only one is a true damage cone. But the fear cone? Gold. Errrr Black Gold! 1
Mjolnerd Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Cones are great. Targeted cones are even better. But I get the frustration some have with them. Especially melee cones. You've got five or six nice fat targets all lined up, and juuuuuust as you hit the attack, they all shift ever-so-slightly to the right and now only one of them is in the area of effect (which happens approximately 97.945% percent of the time according to my exhaustive and rigorous testing)... but because it's an attack that could theoretically hit multiple targets at once, it's balanced for that in terms of either increased animation time, a raised endurance cost, lower damage, or some combination of the three. The end result is that you've got a slow, expensive, weak, single-target attack. Edited February 5, 2023 by Mjolnerd 1 2 Formerly of Virtue, now on Excelsior: Ace of Spades | Adamant Eve | Arch-Rival | The Bee | Blackbelt | Citizen Arcane | Core | Ctrl Alt Defeat | Daddy Longlegs | Diamant | Drop Dead Gorgeous | Freak Accident Galactrix | Great White Shark | Heavy Machinery | Highway Star | The Howl | Inter-Galactica | Ion Maiden | Knockout Artist | Krakatoa | The Night's Templar | The Pact Paroled McDonald | Sentinelle | Virtual Boy | Volcaniac | White Widow | Yucatan And my most recent 50, Doctor Roswell (Psychic Blast/Atomic Manipulation blaster, 16 August 2024)
biostem Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Snarky said: Gold. Errrr Black Gold! Texas T? 1
Captain Fabulous Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Melee cones are a PITA, but otherwise cones are fine. The only implementation that irks me is Darkness Control. Cones + PbAoEs means a lot of bouncing around, making it easy to miss critters in the cones. I find it an annoying set to play because of this.
Snarky Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Captain Fabulous said: Melee cones are a PITA, but otherwise cones are fine. The only implementation that irks me is Darkness Control. Cones + PbAoEs means a lot of bouncing around, making it easy to miss critters in the cones. I find it an annoying set to play because of this. Jousting is the key. In and out if combat. I prefer fly, which also fits thematically. I understand some are really good at teleporting. The real key is knowing what your cone will hit before you fire it. That comes from a ton of practice and a prayer to the underworld your primary target doesnt blip 30 feet away and screw your AoE 1
Clave Dark 5 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Yeah, pretty sure it's melee vs. cones here. I have a Time Corr and what with Time's Juncture, you want to be in melee! But then I paired it with Sonic, which you want to be something at range for the cones. I can see that would annoy some folk. I don't mind running back in and out of melee range for this stuff. 1 Tim "Black Scorpion" Sweeney: Matt (Posi) used to say that players would find the shortest path to the rewards even if it was a completely terrible play experience that would push them away from the game... ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗ Clave's Sure-Fire Secrets to Enjoying City Of Heroes Ignore those farming chores, skip your market homework, play any power sets that you want, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. This game isn't hard work, it's easy! Go have fun! ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
MoonSheep Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 6 hours ago, biostem said: It requires a little more thought about your positioning, and some people just want to point and click. Frankly, they don't bother me one bit, and I do in fact slot range enhancers, even going so far as to pick incarnates with even more range! i think also it’s the frustration of being in a big mob, doing your best to line up a melee cone and then hitting… one… enemy the rage is strong and lasting 1 1 2 If you're not dying you're not living
Scarlet Shocker Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 The best cones are ice cream cones - with sprinkles 1 3 There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that.
Shred Monkey Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 On my main blaster, I actually really like the playstyle of always staying in position to line up my cone for greatest effectiveness. I also am simultaneously side stepping and staying out of melee. It's like a dance. Overtime you find yourself moving the enemies as much as they're moving you. It's both entrancing and effective. That said, on my toons that use a PBAoE or melee attacks, it's annoying to constantly hop out of the spawn to line up the cone, and the cone quickly becomes the least favored attack. 2 1 Active on Excelsior: Prismatic Monkey - Seismic / Martial Blaster, Shadow Dragon Monkey - Staff / Dark Brute, Murder Robot Monkey - Arachnos Night Widow
starro Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Sadly this is my upcoming summer commute 1 1 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Pineapple 🍍 Pizza 🍕 is my thumbs up.
Snarky Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 39 minutes ago, starro said: Sadly this is my upcoming summer commute Starro…if you hadn’t destroyed the town they wouldn’t need to rebuild it 1
starro Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 37 minutes ago, Snarky said: Starro…if you hadn’t destroyed the town they wouldn’t need to rebuild it I destroy whole planets. Destroying Towns is just a hobby. 2 "She who lives by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral, all too often dies by the cybernetic monstrosity powered by living coral." -Doc Buzzsaw Pineapple 🍍 Pizza 🍕 is my thumbs up.
Captain Fabulous Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 53 minutes ago, starro said: I destroy whole planets. Destroying Towns is just a hobby. Everyone needs a snack now and again, amirite?
Scarlet Shocker Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Surely urban destruction is... inconesequential /em getcoat 1 There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that.
Luminara Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Pew pew, mofos. Pew pew. 4 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right.
Glacier Peak Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Solid cone memes in this thread, this community has great humor. 1 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
MrAxe Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Just be careful a drunk mob doesn't come along and steal your cone. 1
DougGraves Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 I like cones because they rely on player skill. I tend to prefer a playstyle that requires me to be skilled rather than one that uses character power to make up for my lack of skill. 1 1
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